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Is Our Defense Better Than 2025? just bored, we've discussed this before

With Spillane, they are fine but were awful when he wasn't on the field.

Run D was terrible with Williams and Spillane out.
I believe Vrabel probably makes another move between now and camp to add another DT/NT to round out depth for camp..unless of course someone already on the roster proves worthy.. I also would like to see Britt have an impact at LB he could allow Spillane rest..
 
I think DE is upgraded - Jones & Jacas/Ponder will be better than Landry & Chaisson were overall.
DT is even - Either Farmer or Bray (keep an eye on this UDFA) could be effective enough to replace Tonga
Also - Durden &/or Taylor seem to be on the rise
LB is weaker. Not enough depth behind Spillane. I have no hope for Britt or Reese. Obiazor could be a stud, but rookies are hard to count on consistent production. Muma is unknown - but also could emerge as equal to Gibbens.
CB's are even. Prunty may surpass Woods or Dial, but seems like good depth there.
Safety is likely better. I think Byard & Woodson could be great. Pettus solid 3rd. And I really like Saunders as a dark horse over Brown.
 
I think DE is upgraded - Jones & Jacas/Ponder will be better than Landry & Chaisson were overall.
DT is even - Either Farmer or Bray (keep an eye on this UDFA) could be effective enough to replace Tonga
Also - Durden &/or Taylor seem to be on the rise
LB is weaker. Not enough depth behind Spillane. I have no hope for Britt or Reese. Obiazor could be a stud, but rookies are hard to count on consistent production. Muma is unknown - but also could emerge as equal to Gibbens.
CB's are even. Prunty may surpass Woods or Dial, but seems like good depth there.
Safety is likely better. I think Byard & Woodson could be great. Pettus solid 3rd. And I really like Saunders as a dark horse over Brown.
Keep your on  Dial.. guy was having a great camp prior to the ACL last year.. I think we have something in him..
 
So.. let me ask? A team with a unfinished flawed roster in 2025..and the first year of a new coach makes the superbowl and went undefeated on the road in the regular season with a top 5.. QB and MVP candidate.. another year in Josh's system with the impending AJ Brown incoming post June 1.. upgrade on the offensive line.. isn't better?
I have never said that Offense won't be better. Vrabel has done and will do all he can to improve the Offense, including starters and backups.
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I think DE is upgraded - Jones & Jacas/Ponder will be better than Landry & Chaisson were overall.
DT is even - Either Farmer or Bray (keep an eye on this UDFA) could be effective enough to replace Tonga
Also - Durden &/or Taylor seem to be on the rise
LB is weaker. Not enough depth behind Spillane. I have no hope for Britt or Reese. Obiazor could be a stud, but rookies are hard to count on consistent production. Muma is unknown - but also could emerge as equal to Gibbens.
CB's are even. Prunty may surpass Woods or Dial, but seems like good depth there.
Safety is likely better. I think Byard & Woodson could be great. Pettus solid 3rd. And I really like Saunders as a dark horse over Brown.
to believe that Farmer and Bray are better than Tonga is simply a hope and a prayer.
 
So.. let me ask? A team with a unfinished flawed roster in 2025...

A defense that added an all pro in the secondary next to a budding star in Woodson? Isn't better? A team that had to play so much zone coverage last season because of the pass rush who then added Jacas and Jones to beef up the rush isn't better?

As I've come around to what Wozzy mentioned even if we have a lesser win total say 11 wins they will be a much better all around team. Health is the only concern I have for this team they are a contender.
The flawed roster on Defense may or may not be as good as last year. I separate the main contributors from backups. There isn't one backup that I would want to see playing significant reps (except for Jacas if Landry is healthy). This was the flaw last year. It is still the flaw this year. If the starters stay healthy, they are a bit better than in 2025, given that we added Byard and have no NT.

SECONDARY
As long as all 5 are healthy, this is one of the very best secondaries in the league. Byard is a significant improvement over Hawkins. I like the idea of the competition to compete with Woods and Pettus, but I really expect little from the two incumbents, the newbies or from Dial (an OK prospect returning from injuries).

EDGE AND OLB
This a wash for me unless Landry is healthy. I do like Jacas, but he is a rookie and will take time to develop. And perhaps Jones will be as good as Chaisson, perhaps not.

DT
Barmore, Willliams and Durden are a strong 3 if Durden continues to develop.
I do not think that rest are better without Tonga. Teams will definitely run up the gut to test the Farmer and Gergory.

ILB
Who's kidding who? Spillane and Ellis are OK given that they are the weakest starters on the team. They aren't better than last year.

We had OK backups last year in Gibbens and Tavai. I don't expect better from Britt, Muma. Luketa and Jacobs.
 
Depends on how many backup QBs the team plays this year to pump up D stats
 
I don't know.. the NFL can be a strange league.. the overall orchestration of the team and organization is so much better than it's been in years..everyone is pulling in the same direction..I see to much growth and talent added in order to see them worse.. we represented the AFC in the superbowl and didn't get there by luck.. Vrabel's second draft and by the 2027 draft he will have had the roster to where he wants it as a coach.. they are a contender..
I didn’t speak to record or how far in playoffs they go; I purely meant season D stats will l8kely be worse. Whether that translates into the same-better-worse team W-L record is too many unknowns for me to hazard a guess. Closest I can say is somewhere in the 11-14 win range is where I think they land, so I’m not saying that worse D stats means a horrible season.
 
I didn’t speak to record or how far in playoffs they go; I purely meant season D stats will l8kely be worse. Whether that translates into the same-better-worse team W-L record is too many unknowns for me to hazard a guess. Closest I can say is somewhere in the 11-14 win range is where I think they land, so I’m not saying that worse D stats means a horrible season.
Understand. I really have a hard to seeing the defensive statistics worse. Here me out. You addressed weaknesses.. the pass rush left the LBs exposed to many times last year.. while Spillane and Ellis are great at thier jobs they are downhill thumpers.. when you ask them to have to cover missed assignments because the rush can't be affective then it exposed weaknesses.. that was the issue and it reared it's ugly head to many times in the superbowl.. also statistics go by what you allow a team to do.. every defense concedes things but limits opponents. We need to be much better in the red zone.
 
Understand. I really have a hard to seeing the defensive statistics worse. Here me out. You addressed weaknesses.. the pass rush left the LBs exposed to many times last year.. while Spillane and Ellis are great at thier jobs they are downhill thumpers.. when you ask them to have to cover missed assignments because the rush can't be affective then it exposed weaknesses.. that was the issue and it reared it's ugly head to many times in the superbowl.. also statistics go by what you allow a team to do.. every defense concedes things but limits opponents. We need to be much better in the red zone.
Has Chaisson's production been replaced?
Who is the cover LB this season?
 
Has Chaisson's production been replaced?
A healthy Landry is far superior to Chaisson.

Ponder and Jacas is much better behind him assuming development.

Chaisson was good at pass rush, in contain… not so much.
Who is the cover LB this season?
Same as last year, Elliss, only now they have a young prospect backup him up in Obiazor.
 
Has Chaisson's production been replaced?
Who is the cover LB this season?
D. Jones was chassion replacement.. he can play all 3 downs inside and outside and can set the edge better.. also his starting partner Jascas has a similar play style Jascas body type is that of Jadaveon Clowney.. Obiazor was drafted to be the coverage type of LB he's an upgrade over Marty Marpu who had every opportunity to be a coverage LB..
 
A healthy Landry is far superior to Chaisson.

Ponder and Jacas is much better behind him assuming development.

Chaisson was good at pass rush, in contain… not so much.

Same as last year, Elliss, only now they have a young prospect backup him up in Obiazor.
I'm hopeful Landry can return to health..he would be a huge rotational asset and to help along Jascas.. Jascas and D. Jones are your starters if a game were played today... if Landry shows he's healthy and has the same burst and hasn't lost a step then I'll change my mind..
 
I'm hopeful Landry can return to health..he would be a huge rotational asset and to help along Jascas.. Jascas and D. Jones are your starters if a game were played today... if Landry shows he's healthy and has the same burst and hasn't lost a step then I'll change my mind..
I think Landry will be fine, even if he needs time to get there. It’s not like he suffered a non contact injury, we all saw his knee get folded.
 
I think Landry will be fine, even if he needs time to get there. It’s not like he suffered a non contact injury, we all saw his knee get folded.
Hopefully my friend.. he's still a good player and is a great culture leader and was firing off the ball earlier last season..
 
Hopefully my friend.. he's still a good player and is a great culture leader and was firing off the ball earlier last season..
He was decent, but he was one dimensional. On obvious running downs they subbed Jennings in there. You don’t want to telegraph to the opposition what you’re doing. I’ll take this years OLB group over last years all day. They just need to stay healthy and develop the youth.
 
He was decent, but he was one dimensional. On obvious running downs they subbed Jennings in there. You don’t want to telegraph to the opposition what you’re doing. I’ll take this years OLB group over lat years all day. They just need to stay healthy and develop the youth.
Absolutely Wozzy.. what I like about Jones is he isn't a one trick pony.. he plays all 3 downs..inside and out sets the edges as well.. chassion was a one trick pony for example..in the mold of Mark Anderson.. remember him?
 
I really liked Tonga
but he played 40% of the defensive snaps, and Durden played 38% of the defensive snaps.
I felt Durden was getting the nod more so than Tonga later in the season, aside from goal line/short yardage situations.

Can the remaining group replace those snaps? I think they can, am I am higher than most apparently on Farmer's potential. O also like Gregory and Williams, and I am not sleeping on Blay or Pharms. the team still has really nice depth here.

I think many here are over rating Ponder. He was a nice story last season, but a 1 dimensional player (so far). will he make the necessary adjustments and improvements?

I get that many believe that D Jones is more well rounded than Chaisson. But Chaisson was very, very good at getting to the QB, and Jones is not that. Hopefully Jacas can get on the field and contribute quickly. I thought Landry was playing very, very well before he got injured. I assume he can get back to that level.

The LB group is a concern. as everyone has said, the group is thin behind Elliss and Spillane.
 
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