NFL News OT: Where do the Ravens go from here?

[PatsFan2]

You'd think by now you would have learned there's more to being great in the NFL besides being phenomenally athletic, your holiness. The simple fact is they haven't gotten it done under his watch. He's 3-5 in his career, and he did not have to go thru Tom Brady to do it. We can point to coaching and team building all we want, but at some point, players play. He's a great athlete, but so far, he hasn't gotten it done in the post season. That's where legacies are made, and thus far, he's not a winner.

I'm not a hater, your grace. He's got great numbers in season and post season, except one place: the win column. You want to stack stats and win fantasy games or do you want to win Lombardis? Rhetorical, we all know what you want.

Apply that to Justin Herbert and Josh Allen too: funny how they seem to get a pass. Because we've been Allen's B!tch for years after Brady and that infamous no Punt Playoffs game: he gets a righteous pass. Lamar would probably play the Race card against you all for defamation of character.

 

[Steve102]

Apply that to Justin Herbert and Josh Allen too: funny how they seem to get a pass. Because we've been Allen's B!tch for years after Brady and that infamous no Punt Playoffs game: he gets a righteous pass.

You can apply it to those guys. You want to fire McVey and Harbaugh 2.0 too? Players play.

 

[Wozzy]

See ^ the experts on Lamar I rest my case your honor.

You can’t explain his horrid postseason stats… but I told everyone this was the end result back in 2018 before the draft.

I should get an award for how “expert” my opinion was.

"I think he could "appear" really good, he could look like young Michael Vick... and just like Vick he will be fool's gold. He will win some regular season games but unless he has the perfect situation around him won't sniff the Super Bowl. You have to be able to pass accurately to beat NFL caliber playoff defenses... passing is important." - Wozzy, 2018 pre-draft

 

[Wozzy]

The next BS that will come from this forum is Mac Jones is the next Sam Darnold: and is superior to Lamar. Yeah I'm waiting for it Wozzy.

Mac sucks, he’s softer than Charmin. You won’t hear that from me.

 

[Wozzy]

Apply that to Justin Herbert and Josh Allen too: funny how they seem to get a pass. Because we've been Allen's B!tch for years after Brady and that infamous no Punt Playoffs game: he gets a righteous pass. Lamar would probably play the Race card against you all for defamation of character.

Herbert has gone through multiple coaches and the worst rosters in football. Harbaugh is there and suddenly they’re a playoff team.

I made similar comments about Josh Allen that I did Lamr, though Allen improved dramatically his first three years. Lamar didn’t improve much.

Apples/oranges… why are you so adamant Lamar is something he’s not… this guy your cousin or something?

 

[PatsFan2]

Herbert has gone through multiple coaches and the worst rosters in football. Harbaugh is there and suddenly they’re a playoff team.

I made similar comments about Josh Allen that I did Lamr, though Allen improved dramatically his first three years. Lamar didn’t improve much.

Apples/oranges… why are you so adamant Lamar is something he’s not… this guy your cousin or something?

I know some of his family they live in Mass nice people. That said Lamar have done well for himself and I am happy for him. Many didn't think he would make it this far and I think he's far from DONE.

 

[Wozzy]

I know some of his family they live in Mass nice people. That said Lamar have done well for himself and I am happy for him. Many didn't think he would make it this far and I think he's far from DONE.

He is what he is…

 

[NFL Mystique]

I feel like Lamar is getting a pass like Rodgers used too. "His defense stinks", "suspect coaching". GB changed coaches and Rodgers still did not get to a SB. It could be the exact same way in Baltimore. If you are an elite QB, you can make guys around you better. You come up clutch in critical moments. It's put up or shut up time.

Btw, Rodgers actually won a SB. Lamar has not even made one. So there should e less excuses for Lamar.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I feel like Lamar is getting a pass like Rodgers used too. "His defense stinks", "suspect coaching". GB changed coaches and Rodgers still did not get to a SB. It could be the exact same way in Baltimore. If you are an elite QB, you can make guys around you better. You come up clutch in critical moments. It's put up or shut up time.

Btw, Rodgers actually won a SB. Lamar has not even made one. So there should e less excuses for Lamar.

Lamar isn't in the same class that Rodgers was and never will be. The media kept hyping up the Packers yearly saying how great their teams were, but their rosters were a joke aside from 2010-2014.

Rodgers' defenses did "stink", they didn't have any balance on offense missing a TE after Finley left and didn't have a ground game. It was so bad they had Ty Montgomery who was a WR moonlight as a RB. Aside from 2011, 2014, 2015 and 2021, Rodgers teams were constantly overmatched by better teams. The Davante Adams years were too easy for teams to take him out of games and the Packers would be dead to rights. The Michael Thomas years with the Saints as well.

The year Rodgers claimed after opening night against the Mitch Trubisky led Bears "we have a defense" was hilarious as they once again got slapped around by the 49ers in the playoffs.

With that said, he absolutely would've won more had the Packers organization had their heads out of their asses and got him help.

The Allen- Buffalo Bills are a spitting image of the Rodgers-Packers hyping them up with bad rosters, then are baffled when they keep losing in the playoffs.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I feel like Lamar is getting a pass like Rodgers used too. "His defense stinks", "suspect coaching". GB changed coaches and Rodgers still did not get to a SB. It could be the exact same way in Baltimore. If you are an elite QB, you can make guys around you better. You come up clutch in critical moments. It's put up or shut up time.

Btw, Rodgers actually won a SB. Lamar has not even made one. So there should e less excuses for Lamar.

Who is giving him a pass? His team let him down last year vs BUF but overall he doesn't do well enough in the playoffs to take his team to the next level.

Rodgers is in kinda the same boat but hes won one, has good playoff numbers and a winning record. Hes lost 3 times in OT and with the exception of 2010 had average defenses.

Josh Allen is another one.

 

[Ring 6]

Because Lamar is the reason why his receiver dropped a basket catch: and a Kicker missed chip shot FG. Such unbiased reasoning some of you.

His job is to win, not to get close and blame someone else.
He was 6-7 this year.

My reasoning is as unbiased as can be. I credit them for wining and losing without excuse or qualification.

 

[Ring 6]

Allen's 7-6 in the playoffs.

What are you even talking about? So because he's barely above .500 and Jackson is barely below .500 - Allen is god and Jackson sucks. Got it.

Did I say Allen is God and Jackson sucks? Of course I didn’t, and of course your only response is to flame like I did.

Jackson and Allen entered the league the same year

Allen has taken his team to the playoffs 7 times and pending this year won at least 7 games.

Jackson has taken his team to the playoffs 5 times and won just 3 games.

Allen is 7-6
Jackson is 3-5

Are you confused which set of results are better?

 

[Ring 6]

And some of you would ballwash him and $h!t on Lamar. To each his own I guess.

And who would that be?
I am assessing them based upon their results.
You are the only one talking about washing balls.

 

[Ring 6]

Apply that to Justin Herbert and Josh Allen too: funny how they seem to get a pass. Because we've been Allen's B!tch for years after Brady and that infamous no Punt Playoffs game: he gets a righteous pass. Lamar would probably play the Race card against you all for defamation of character.

Herbert? Had he even won a playoff game? Are you thinking that being better than Herbert is a gotcha?
Allen had 7 playoffs wins to Lamers 3.
Which do you think is better?

I’m not sure exactly what argument you are trying to make.

The one at hand is that Jackson has not been a winner in the post season and Allen hasn’t won it all but has been better in the early rounds.

What are you arguing exactly?

 

[VJCPatriot]

Is it time to change things up and move on with Harbaugh? Don’t get me wrong, I love nothing more than waitressing the downfall of the Ratturds organization and the rivalry between them vs Belichick/Brady.

Harbaugh hasn’t done anything since 2019. Year after year we’ve watched how they just choke in the playoffs, despite having one of the best RB’s in the league.

I’m thinking Peter Carrol would be in the mix for HC if the Ravens fire Harbaugh

Don't really care. Ravens are not the same threat they were back in the day. They fired Harbaugh but do they have a better successor to replace him?

Is Lamar Jackson heading downhill or is he ever going to be the same QB that terrorized NFL defenses a few years ago?

I'm just more worried about our own team. We're on an upwards trajectory and I'm so ready to enjoy that ride.

Chiefs and Ravens have declined and they need to pull off renovations on the fly while owning mediocre draft picks. We'll just see what happens next but I like OUR chances!

 

[NFL Mystique]

Who is giving him a pass? His team let him down last year vs BUF but overall he doesn't do well enough in the playoffs to take his team to the next level.

Rodgers is in kinda the same boat but hes won one, has good playoff numbers and a winning record. Hes lost 3 times in OT and with the exception of 2010 had average defenses.

Josh Allen is another one.

I can't get that NFC title game in Seattle out of my mind. His defense gave him five turnovers. He did absolutely nothing with those turnovers. Fluky (dropped onside kick, fake fg for td) things occurred. But he was not good.

Allen is a guy really hampered by his HC & D imo.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I can't get that NFC title game in Seattle out of my mind. His defense gave him five turnovers. He did absolutely nothing with those turnovers. Fluky (dropped onside kick, fake fg for td) things occurred. But he was not good.

Allen is a guy really hampered by his HC & D imo.

Agree on both points.

Rogers- while more successful than not, has a mixed post-season history.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Agree on both points.

Rogers- while more successful than not, has a mixed post-season history.

I'm trying to imagine a Tom Brady opponent turning it over five times and Brady not taking advantage at all.

Rodgers is definitely a top 10 QB of all-time for me. Maybe 6th or 7th for me.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think some of you are spoiled/jaded with the success we enjoyed during the dynasty years. Some of you act like if a team doesn't win a super bowl it's a complete and total abject failure and all the players/coaches are losers.

Dan Marino never won a super bowl.

Elway won 2 in the last 2 years of his career but took over a decade to get over the hump.

Favre only won once.

Rodgers only one once.

Brees only won once.

Steve Young only won once.

PManning won twice but took a long time to get over the hump and was a passenger on the bus for the second one.

Obviously it's disappointing, but the fact that guys like Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen haven't won super bowls to this point isn't the level of indictment some of you make it out to be. You can't just rip it all up and rebuild every 3 years if you didn't go on a dynasty run those 3 years. That's not real life.

The one I put the most blame on for not winning more Lombardi's is Rodgers. The reason I feel that way is because he was never a team player, he wasn't going to do what was best for the team he was going to do what he wanted to do when he wanted to do it. This was most obvious in the playoff game against the 49ers when he was fixated on throwing to Adams despite his bring double covered throughout the game. He's the most selfish QB I have ever seen. He has talent, but he was never a team player or a leader, and that cost Green Bay big time,

 

[Huckleberry1]

And FWIW Cleveland fought back against it, which is why they have an NFL team now, and why unlike most relocations, the Ratbirds were considered a brand new franchise, rather than taking the Browns' records with them.

This is the way it should always work. You can move the franchise but not the identity.