MVP thread

[Kdo5]

Being completely honest, IDGAF about regular season MVP. The only reason I'd love to see Maye win it is to shut up all the Buffalo morons who say Allen is the best QB in the league and shove the letters MVP down your throat at every opportunity.

I care about Super Bowl MVPs.

Similar sentiments though with Maye it is pretty damn cool. I don’t think him winning MVP and turning a bottom 3 team into a top 3 team were on people’s bingo cards.

 

[Ring 6]

I would expect nothing less than that opinion on a Pats forum.
Go check a Rams forum, I'm sure they are justifying Stafford as the MVP.
Listen and read media reports, including those that have MVP votes, it's completely up in the air.
Of course you are pointing out things that lean Maye's way.
What about Maye playing the easiest defensive schedule in the league, and Stafford playing the 2nd toughest.
I've already said I think Maye is deserving, but you are leaving out things that favour Stafford, things that will be considered.

Strength of schedule has never been used in an MVP vote. It was a criteria made up to argue against Maye

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Strength of schedule has never been used in an MVP vote. It was a criteria made up to argue against Maye

Stop it, you are making stuff up.
MVP voters assess everything.
I specifically told you it was being discussed today by 2 guys that have MVP votes, and it's pretty much a guarantee that other MVP voters consider it, along with many other factors.
There is no grand conspiracy against Maye.

 

[Kargetina]

Stop it, you are making stuff up.
MVP voters assess everything.
I specifically told you it was being discussed today by 2 guys that have MVP votes, and it's pretty much a guarantee that other MVPs consider it, along with many other factors.
There is no grand conspiracy against Maye.

Either you've never followed an MVP race before or you're being deliberately naive.

Ring 6 is right, SoS has never been a factor in an MVP race, it's always been stats and team record. Every MVP season is agenda based, and the criteria is changed however the media wants to construe the argument.

When Brady lost the MVP to Matt Ryan, Ryan's volume stats were the predominant factor, even though the Pats were 11-1 with Brady, the Falcons were 11-5 with Ryan with Brady having a 28-2 TD/INT season in comparison to 38-7 for Ryan.

The next time Brady was in contention, volume stats were not important, Brady led the league in both TD's and Yards, he had 5316 yards with 43 TD's and 12 INT, while Rodgers had 4115 yards, with 38/4, and won because that year advanced stats were the dominant topic of discussion and Brady's having 1200 more yards with the team's records being the same, meant nothing. Rodgers was ''efficient'' so he won, but when Brady was even more efficient (28-2) then the argument was that he didn't have the volume.

Go and find a single instance when an MVP contender lost the MVP due to strength of schedule. You won't be able to, but that's the only argument against Drake so of course it's going to get promoted as a relevant factor this year.

Stafford single handedly dropped the Rams down to the 6th seed with his performances against the Panthers and the Falcons. Find me another MVP with two awful performances in December that cost his team this much. His team will be THIRD best in his own division. He had a great argument prior to the Panthers game, maybe prior to the Falcons game. Now, it's just sentiment. That's all he has going for him.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Stop it, you are making stuff up.
MVP voters assess everything.
I specifically told you it was being discussed today by 2 guys that have MVP votes, and it's pretty much a guarantee that other MVP voters consider it, along with many other factors.
There is no grand conspiracy against Maye.

I think that’s why you point to common opponents and it’s pretty clear Maye was better there.

EPA, other stats point to Maye. Pats are probably a two seed and won their division. Rams are a wild card and came in third in their division.

Rams have a better cast around Stafford.

I have no doubt voters will twist themselves to give it to Stafford, but I think Maye has a better case.

 

[sb1]

Again, if the award really literally means most valuable player then Maye is the guy. He’s not along for the ride ala Mac Jones… he is why they’re winning this many games and he’s making his team better. The Baltimore comeback and the first Bills game come to mind. Put Dobbs or even someone like Flacco on the Patriots instead and it’s very doubtful they are even .500

If the award is something different than that and I think in the majority of voters minds it probably is then it’s likely going to be Stafford. Stafford is not an outrageous choice. He laid an egg yesterday but he still had a great year.

 

[NFL Mystique]

Winning two SBs is hard to ignore.

Sucks that it was us both times.

I don't think anyone should be a HOFER if one particular play did not happen. If Tyree did not happen, the Patriots win that game. Manning would never be brought up as a candidate.

I also don't like that he only made the postseason 6 times in his career. He played 14 years. He was never a top 5 QB. Never an MVP candidate. Led the league in picks multiple times.

He will get in. His name. Where he played. And who he beat. But he shouldn't.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I think that’s why you point to common opponents and it’s pretty clear Maye was better there.

EPA, other stats point to Maye. Pats are probably a two seed and won their division. Rams are a wild card and came in third in their division.

Rams have a better cast around Stafford.

I have no doubt voters will twist themselves to give it to Stafford, but I think Maye has a better case.

I agree that Maye has the better body of work all things considered.
I also think you can make arguments for Stafford.
I posted earlier that the MVP has always been from the 1 or 2 seed, not a WC team, so definitely a feather for Maye assuming we win Sunday.
The folks that were talking about SOS (MVP voters), also talked about common opponents and of course gave Maye the advantage.
SOS will be considered, and I personally saw that today, so to say that it's never considered and is made up to hurt Maye is ridiculous .

 

[Kargetina]

Again, if the award really literally means most valuable player then Maye is the guy. He’s not along for the ride ala Mac Jones… he is why they’re winning this many games and he’s making his team better. The Baltimore comeback and the first Bills game come to mind. Put Dobbs or even someone like Flacco on the Patriots instead and it’s very doubtful they are even .500

If the award is something different than that and I think in the majority of voters minds it probably is then it’s likely going to be Stafford. Stafford is not an outrageous choice. He laid an egg yesterday but he still had a great year.

I disagree. The Rams will end up sixth in the NFC and 3rd in their own division. They have two All-Pro receivers, a stacked team with one of the best defenses in the league and a SB winning coach.

The argument for Stafford was that he had great stats, and the first place in the NFC, basically justifying the stacked roster into a bye. It would be a mockery to the award to give someone on a stacked team an MVP while being sixth in the conference, with him being the biggest contributing factor they lost against the Panthers and the Falcons, and dropping from #1 to #6.

There's a reason why the SoS has turned into an argument only lately and the reason is that Stafford's team is third is their division while the Pats have the second best record in their conference. Had the Rams been the #1 seed, no one would be using that argument against Maye. It's a way to excuse the Rams' collapse in the last month, losing three of their last five games:

''Yes, Stafford's team has a worse record but but they played tougher opponents.''

In reality, the Pats are 6-0, while the Rams are 4-2 against common opponents.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

 

[mike_usagisan]

I agree that Maye has the better body of work all things considered.
I also think you can make arguments for Stafford.
I posted earlier that the MVP has always been from the 1 or 2 seed, not a WC team, so definitely a feather for Maye assuming we win Sunday.
The folks that were talking about SOS (MVP voters), also talked about common opponents and of course gave Maye the advantage.
SOS will be considered, and I personally saw that today, so to say that it's never considered and is made up to hurt Maye is ridiculous .

Right, I definitely think it will be considered. But I don’t think SOS will be their only consideration.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

But I don’t think SOS will be their only consideration.

Definitely not, just one datum point amongst many.

When you add everything up, I think Maye deserves it.

 

[Uptown]

The alliteration is crazy.

 

[Uptown]

 

[Uptown]

Precious little one…

 

[Uptown]

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Im honestly not huge on individual awards like pro bowl and mvp but ill be really happy for Drake if he completes this. In the spirit of what i think most valuable player is i think thats Drake this year by far and he deserves this. Take him away and we are a .500 team at best with an average qb(with dobbs way worse). Stafford has had an incredible year statistically but without him the rams are not a great deal worse than 11-5. To me thats what mvp is all about , but it seems like stats really drive the award

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Strength of schedule has never been used in an MVP vote. It was a criteria made up to argue against Maye

There are literally almost no criteria other than the title, since it's not MVQB. A couple of people have made an argument for CMC this year.

 

[Ring 6]

Stop it, you are making stuff up.
MVP voters assess everything.
I specifically told you it was being discussed today by 2 guys that have MVP votes, and it's pretty much a guarantee that other MVP voters consider it, along with many other factors.
There is no grand conspiracy against Maye.

How do you not get that 2 guys talking about it today about Maye doesn’t mean this isn’t the first time it’s been a criteria?
There are many MVPs that played weak schedules and it has never been discussed as a factor