NFL News OT But IMO deserves its own Thread: Mahomes has torn his ACL per Rapaport.

[VectorPrime]

Brady looked "off" for more than just 2009 IMO. He was scared to get hit. He was tough as nails early in his career but after he came back he was very much one of the pretty boy QBs always whining for a flag and I don't think he had the same confidence standing in the pocket. Still awesome obviously, but I don't think it was until that 2014 wakeup call vs. KC before the "on to Cincinnati" game that he ever got all the way back. The combination of his performance being questioned and the whole Jimmy G thing really woke him up and made him fearless out there again.

I swear to god, somehow this narrative has emerged that Brady post-injury (2009) and pre-Jimmy G (2014) had lost a step but it’s objectively untrue. ONLY 2013 was poor and we all know how devoid of talent that team was.

 

[Uptown]

Straight hypocrite

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

That said, I don't feel bad for the team.

I feel exactly as bad for them as the rest of the NFL felt For us when Brady tore his ACL in 2008.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I swear to god, somehow this narrative has emerged that Brady post-injury (2009) and pre-Jimmy G (2014) had lost a step but it’s objectively untrue. ONLY 2013 was poor and we all know how devoid of talent that team was.

Not talking statistics. He was uneasy anytime people were down around his legs. He wasn't the same tough player he was early and again later in his career. It's not going to show up on the stat sheet. Plenty of QBs put up great numbers but aren't tough in the pocket. Brady got lulled into that for a few years after his return. Still a tremendous player obviously, but there was some slippage in his game in that way. You could rattle him a little bit and speed up his clock more.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Not talking statistics. He was uneasy anytime people were down around his legs. He wasn't the same tough player he was early and again later in his career. It's not going to show up on the stat sheet. Plenty of QBs put up great numbers but aren't tough in the pocket. Brady got lulled into that for a few years after his return. Still a tremendous player obviously, but there was some slippage in his game in that way. You could rattle him a little bit and speed up his clock more.

The other issue he had, which that KC game exploited, was that once he set up to pass, he would not pull the ball down and run, even with room to pick up a first.

 

[jal]

Not talking statistics. He was uneasy anytime people were down around his legs. He wasn't the same tough player he was early and again later in his career. It's not going to show up on the stat sheet. Plenty of QBs put up great numbers but aren't tough in the pocket. Brady got lulled into that for a few years after his return. Still a tremendous player obviously, but there was some slippage in his game in that way. You could rattle him a little bit and speed up his clock more.

It's hard to divorce narrative and results. He definitely had some shaky playoff games in 2010, 2011, and 2012. 2013 I give a pass - our year was ruined by injuries/Hernandez being a murderer. In 2014 and onwards we won 3 rings because Brady became an absolute superhero in every clutch moment - Baltimore 2014, Seattle SB 2014, Atl SB 2016, Jax 2017, KC 2018. Even the playoff games we lost after 2014 Brady balled out - Denver 2015, Philly SB 2017. It's hard to say if that was due to recovery from injury or Jimmy G or deflategate (or whatever). But undoubtedly Brady's late career mental game was the strongest we've ever seen.

One thing I'd add is that it's not all Brady. Welker was clearly a better overall player than Edelman, but damn if Edelman wasn't significantly more clutch. Gronk wasn't healthy in the playoffs in any of the 2011-2013 playoff losses, but he was there and making huge plays for 2014-2018 (except 2016 - which makes 2016 I believe Brady's finest moment). Call it was it is: Gronk and Edelman were more clutch than Moss and Welker (their 2007-2009 equivalents).

 

[jal]

More on topic - Mahomes and the Chiefs are facing a rebuild the same way the Patriots did. By ~2009ish, our early 2000's rosters were basically gone and we rebuilt the team with the 2009-2012 drafts. In those years we added Gronk, Hightower, Edelman, McCourty, and a bunch of useful players (Chandler Jones, Chung, Harmon, Solder, etc) that formed the core of our team through the rest of the 2010s. Our 2010s dynasty faded because after 2012 and esp. after 2014 we drafted pretty terribly. But that 4 years stretch of good drafting built another dynasty.

The question is can the Chiefs do the same? Historically nobody else has ever done it. Some other factors that will play into this: (1) Reid is much older than Belichick was when rebuild had to happen, (2) Mahomes himself is far more reliant on physical athleticism than Brady was and likely won't age as well. The Chiefs era 2 may look a lot more like second half Rodgers/Brees careers than Brady - still contenders (will always be a contender with a top 5 QB) but mostly came up short. They may win another ring but it seems very unlikely they put together another dominant 3-4 ring run.

Peyton frankly benefitted from switching teams. The Colts were getting super old and changing to the Broncos let him find another team loaded with talent that gave him second life. With Brees and Rodgers, they went through 2-3 year lulls in the mid-2010s and built contenders again by the late 2010s/early 2020s. But those teams came up short in the playoffs so neither guy even made it back to the SB.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

Since I know a lot of you enjoy Schadenfreude.

 

[XLIX]

This actually sucks when one considers that we will likely be rooting for KC to beat Denver on Christmas.

 

[Nehalem]

I swear to god, somehow this narrative has emerged that Brady post-injury (2009) and pre-Jimmy G (2014) had lost a step but it’s objectively untrue. ONLY 2013 was poor and we all know how devoid of talent that team was.

Note that Brady's "sucktastic" year in 2013 is still basically on par for what Mahomes has done for the last 3 years.

 

[XLIX]

A bigger problem may be cap space. Mahomes has a cap number of $78 million next year ( for a guy who may not be on the field) and per overthecap.com they are $43 million over the cap for 2026 with about $275 million tied up in top 11 players. They can get under the cap but who goes???
Kansas City Chiefs Salary Cap | Over the Cap

He’s had a $70+ million cap hit “next year” for 4 years running. They always restructure it down to a much more reasonable $30-something million or so.

 

[VJCPatriot]

That confirmation by Rapsheet is the only details for now, obviously other stuff regrading MCL and PCL might come out later in an MRI.

But anyway, yeah pretty big league wide news even with the Chiefs already eliminated from the playoffs anyway.

I don't like the Chiefs but I don't wish injury on anybody. Hope Mahomes rehab will be ok but his season is probably over.

They are eliminated from the playoffs now and just need to get him healthy over the offseason.

 

[Uptown]

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[Uptown]

 

[ctpatsfan77]

[Dylan Raiola meme]

Huh?

 

[captain stone]

I wanted Kc out of the playoffs but I never like to hear injury news like this.

Unless it's to that little ****ing cheating Maggot bastard. **** him and all that he's STOLEN from everyone else.

 

[captain stone]

Love to see that, hell of a cheater

fify

 

[captain stone]

Not the first time. I was travelling for work during that Super Bowl and got to watch it on the plane. When the plane landed in the 4th Q San Francisco was winning. When I got into the terminal KC was.

Yep, and not the 2nd time either.

 

[Uptown]

Their draft position in the first round were all be interesting. Let's see if reid can draft an impactful player.

Obviously it’s waaay too early, but many of the projections have taking RB Jeremiyah Love because Pacheco sucks, they haven’t had a dynamic RB since Hunt & it’ll help alleviate the pressure on Mahomes. Not a bad pick, but I’d personally lean towards DL or Secondary for KC.

 

[captain stone]

2011: Gronk
2012: Gronk
2013: Gronk
2015: over half the ****ing offense
2017: Edelman and Hightower. can throw in Jonathan Jones if you want

Yep, and don't forget Malcolm Butler in 2017 too... er, never mind...