Patriots Rumor Isaiah Likely - Future Patriot?

[Zuma]

The running game is weak. If we are going to improve the running game, especially in short yardage situations, we need to upgrade Center and RG. If Wilson moves to Center, then we need to upgrade LG and RG. Our OL is serviceable but far from good.

Brown is a better run blocking LG then Wilson. As a whole...Campbell, Brown, Wilson is a better run blocking tandem then Campbell, Wilson, Bradbury. Bradbury has been OK at pass blocking but he is the main reason or close to it why the run game has not been better.

PFF grades for those who think they matter...

Best and worst offensive PFF grades for Patriots in win over Giants​

Top five PFF graded players​

1. QB Drake Maye - 85.3
2. TE Hunter Henry - 83.4
3. G Mike Onwenu - 77.5
4. G Ben Brown - 76.9
5. WR Kyle Williams - 76.6

Bottom five PFF graded players​

1. TE Austin Hooper - 46.8
2. Thayer Munford Jr. - 54.0
3. FB Jack Westover - 54.0
4. WR Mack Hollins - 57.8
5. C Garrett Bradbury - 58.9

Patriots' Apparent Offseason Win Is Starting to Fade

There's not a lot of things to pick at for the New England Patriots. They have the best record in the AFC at 10-2 and have the reeling 2-10 New York Giants comi

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Entering Week 13, Bradbury ranks in the bottom half of the league in multiple categories per Pro Football Focus. He owns a 58.6 overall grade (29th among 37 graded centers), 59.5 pass-blocking grade (22nd among 37 graded centers), and a 55.9 run-blocking grade (34th among 37 graded centers).

 

[Real fan 02]

Agree on the edge but I want two more road graders, I don't which position they play on the Oline.

I believe we have one on the roster in Bryant.. but the OL will definitely see some upgrades at OG..for sure

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Brown is a better run blocking LG then Wilson. As a whole...Campbell, Brown, Wilson is a better run blocking tandem then Campbell, Wilson, Bradbury. Bradbury has been OK at pass blocking but he is the main reason or close to it why the run game has not been better.

PFF grades for those who think they matter...

Best and worst offensive PFF grades for Patriots in win over Giants​

Top five PFF graded players​

1. QB Drake Maye - 85.3
2. TE Hunter Henry - 83.4
3. G Mike Onwenu - 77.5
4. G Ben Brown - 76.9
5. WR Kyle Williams - 76.6

Bottom five PFF graded players​

1. TE Austin Hooper - 46.8
2. Thayer Munford Jr. - 54.0
3. FB Jack Westover - 54.0
4. WR Mack Hollins - 57.8
5. C Garrett Bradbury - 58.9

I agree with all of that, but I think the post misses the overall objective. We have a good OL, not great, and by shuffling guys on the OL the Pats can be marginally improve the OL, but not significantly. I believe we need a significant improvement, which means we need high end FAs and/or early, R1 to R4, draft picks.

I would note that grades like PFF do not look at the broader picture. PFF, and other game time grading systems, do not rate the OL, for example, by their ability to move and run block like on a screen. Josh does not call screens because some of our OLmen are limited in their short space movements, so PFF can not grade screens,. There are a lot of future objectives that game time grading systems can not address.

 

[Zuma]

I agree with all of that, but I think the post misses the overall objective. We have a good OL, not great, and by shuffling guys on the OL the Pats can be marginally improve the OL, but not significantly. I believe we need a significant improvement, which means we need high end FAs and/or early, R1 to R4, draft picks.

I agree the overall quality of the OL on paper will be better to a degree..not a huge jump. With Campbell and Wilson with another season under their belt...we should see improvement from them as well. IMO the weakest link is Bradbury and RT depth / the future. Munford was good in 2023 but he has zero lateral movement skills....so that is a liability. We still know nothing about Bryant. We need a RT early in the 2026 draft. I'm fine with a just a moderate overall OL improvement in 2026.

We also need a TE for the future drafted in the early rounds. FIne with Henry, Hooper / Dippre in front of him in 2026.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I agree with all of that, but I think the post misses the overall objective. We have a good OL, not great, and by shuffling guys on the OL the Pats can be marginally improve the OL, but not significantly. I believe we need a significant improvement, which means we need high end FAs and/or early, R1 to R4, draft picks.

I would note that grades like PFF do not look at the broader picture. PFF, and other game time grading system, do not rate the OL, for example, by their ability to move and run block like on a screen. Josh does not call screens because some of our OLmen are limited in their short space movements, so PFF can not grade screens,. There are a lot of future objectives that game time grading systems can not address.

I don't think they want to mess with the line this season, especially as we already have a bunch of injuries. So, keep Bradbury through the season, move Wilson into center next camp, have Brown and a rookie/FA guard compete for LG.

I am also not completely convinced that they're going to dump Owenhu next season, as getting a FA guard to replace him will probably cost similar to what he's already making.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I agree the overall quality of the OL on paper will be better to a degree..not a huge jump. With Campbell and Wilson with another season under their belt...we should see improvement from them as well. IMO the weakest link is Bradbury and RT depth / the future. Munford was good in 2023 but he has zero vertical movement skills....so that is a liability. We still know nothing about Bryant. We need a RT early in the 2026 draft.

They have Moses signed for another season. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to bring him back for next season, too.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

"Zero Vertically movement skills" as a "Liability"?
What are you talking about, that nonsense RAS?
He'd be an offensive lineman, how high does he need to jump?

 

[Zuma]

They have Moses signed for another season. I wouldn't be surprised if the plan is to bring him back for next season, too.

Yes I know. Moses should start next season. They need a good one in the draft for the future depth.

 

[PatsFan2]

Brown is a better run blocking LG then Wilson. As a whole...Campbell, Brown, Wilson is a better run blocking tandem then Campbell, Wilson, Bradbury. Bradbury has been OK at pass blocking but he is the main reason or close to it why the run game has not been better.

PFF grades for those who think they matter...

Best and worst offensive PFF grades for Patriots in win over Giants​

Top five PFF graded players​

1. QB Drake Maye - 85.3
2. TE Hunter Henry - 83.4
3. G Mike Onwenu - 77.5
4. G Ben Brown - 76.9
5. WR Kyle Williams - 76.6

Bottom five PFF graded players​

1. TE Austin Hooper - 46.8
2. Thayer Munford Jr. - 54.0
3. FB Jack Westover - 54.0
4. WR Mack Hollins - 57.8
5. C Garrett Bradbury - 58.9

Patriots' Apparent Offseason Win Is Starting to Fade

There's not a lot of things to pick at for the New England Patriots. They have the best record in the AFC at 10-2 and have the reeling 2-10 New York Giants comi

chowderandchampions.com

Entering Week 13, Bradbury ranks in the bottom half of the league in multiple categories per Pro Football Focus. He owns a 58.6 overall grade (29th among 37 graded centers), 59.5 pass-blocking grade (22nd among 37 graded centers), and a 55.9 run-blocking grade (34th among 37 graded centers).

How was Garrett Bradbury a First Rounder??

 

[Zuma]

"Zero Vertically movement skills" as a "Liability"?
What are you talking about, that nonsense RAS?
He'd be an offensive lineman, how high does he need to jump?

Sorry I meant he's the anti-Campbell with lateral movement. He doesnt have good skills in that department. Yeah don't care about vertical.

 

[PatsFan2]

"Zero Vertically movement skills" as a "Liability"?
What are you talking about, that nonsense RAS?
He'd be an offensive lineman, how high does he need to jump?

For starters to the Moon.

 

[PatsFan2]

Sorry I meant he's the anti-Campbell with lateral movement. He doesnt have good skills in that department. Yeah don't care about vertical.

I think that's the knock on Caedan Wallace too: lateral movement is abysmal.

 

[PatsFan2]

Brown is a better run blocking LG then Wilson. As a whole...Campbell, Brown, Wilson is a better run blocking tandem then Campbell, Wilson, Bradbury. Bradbury has been OK at pass blocking but he is the main reason or close to it why the run game has not been better.

PFF grades for those who think they matter...

Best and worst offensive PFF grades for Patriots in win over Giants​

Top five PFF graded players​

1. QB Drake Maye - 85.3
2. TE Hunter Henry - 83.4
3. G Mike Onwenu - 77.5
4. G Ben Brown - 76.9
5. WR Kyle Williams - 76.6

Bottom five PFF graded players​

1. TE Austin Hooper - 46.8
2. Thayer Munford Jr. - 54.0
3. FB Jack Westover - 54.0
4. WR Mack Hollins - 57.8
5. C Garrett Bradbury - 58.9

Patriots' Apparent Offseason Win Is Starting to Fade

There's not a lot of things to pick at for the New England Patriots. They have the best record in the AFC at 10-2 and have the reeling 2-10 New York Giants comi

chowderandchampions.com

Entering Week 13, Bradbury ranks in the bottom half of the league in multiple categories per Pro Football Focus. He owns a 58.6 overall grade (29th among 37 graded centers), 59.5 pass-blocking grade (22nd among 37 graded centers), and a 55.9 run-blocking grade (34th among 37 graded centers).

Austin Hooper Plays much better than those PFF numbers indicate: they're spot on regarding the rest.

 

[The Gr8est]

You have to wonder if Atlanta is using Kyle Pitts right: and they have had their issues @ QB. I think McDaniels and Drake Maye could Unlock him: I think we are a match.

Something to think about for sure.

Look at Jonnu Smith, post, pre, and as a New England Patriot.

 

[Zuma]

Austin Hooper Plays much better than those PFF numbers indicate: they're spot on regarding the rest.

Yeah. I think he can produce a lot more if needed. He can block and catch but he hasn't been needed that much. It doesn't seem to be much of an option with Henry and Hooper on the field at the same time. And if their is one TE on the field....who would you rather have? Henry. Hooper's age window is closing.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yes I know. Moses should start next season. They need a good one in the draft for the future depth.

I do wonder if Bryant is good enough for backup but maybe not enough to start?

 

[mike_usagisan]

Yeah. I think he can produce a lot more if needed. He can block and catch but he hasn't been needed that much. It doesn't seem to be much of an option with Henry and Hooper on the field at the same time. And if their is one TE on the field....who would you rather have? Henry. Hooper's age window is closing.

I do hope they figure out a blocking tight end at some point.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

Most Likely…..not

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

"Zero Vertically movement skills" as a "Liability"?
What are you talking about, that nonsense RAS?
He'd be an offensive lineman, how high does he need to jump?

Verticality for OLmen is not how high they can jump.

 

[p8ryts]

I believe we have one on the roster in Bryant.. but the OL will definitely see some upgrades at OG..for sure

Bryant is a road grader?