The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[lancerman]

the coaching is the one people somehow miss. it simply was not good past like the Cam year

Yeah. There was a lot of "Bill the GM is letting Bill the coach down". But the team was largely undisciplined the last few Belichick years and came into many games making errors at the worst times and just freelancing out of desperation. Meyers stupid lateral decision was the big one, but there were so many games we had a shot in and then a turn over would just kill a crucial drive.

There's a reason why Mayo for the mess that he was still ended with the same record Belichick ended with the year before. The coaching was not good towards the end. The Bill's win we just saw last week does not happen with the coaching we were getting the last several seasons.

2019 was probably the last time Belichick had a really solid coaching season.

 

[XLIX]

It kills you that you can’t factually dispute 8 rings, doesn’t it?

Not one bit because “8 rings” does nothing to dispute my thesis: Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is a complete and total failure as a head coach at 2 levels.

 

[XLIX]

Denial is a river in Chapel Hill.

He is 100% a jilted lover, completely obsessed with his ex. His ex has moved on and doesn’t even remotely think about him anymore, but he remains obsessed.

“I hate her so much!! What is she up to?”
“Is she thinking of me?”
“Look, she coughed!! That’s sending me a message!!”
“She’s not allowed at my house anymore!!”
“Shut up!! I hate her and wouldn’t get together with her even if she asked me!!”
“I wonder what she is doing tomorrow? I hate her so much!!”
“Tell her to stop talking about me!!”

Meanwhile the ex-girlfriend is thinking: “what should I have for dinner tonight?”

 

[XLIX]

You don't like facts do you

You don’t like this fact do you?

Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is a complete and total failure as a head coach at 2 levels.

 

[1960Pats]

10 years from now people will forget how badly he humiliated himself in the college game, but people will still (accurately) remember that he never accomplished anything without Brady.

The number of losing seasons for Bill is eye-popping compared to other HCs without their top QB.

 

[signbabybrady]

The number of losing seasons for Bill is eye-popping compared to other HCs without their top QB.

His number of SB appearances and SB victories is eye popping no qualifications needed.

Also if you erase 20 years from most coaches they end up with zero losing or winning seasons.

 

[signbabybrady]

You don’t like this fact do you?

Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is a complete and total failure as a head coach at 2 levels.

I would think it be quite clear by now that I think your erasing 20 years of a mans career is of no value to any discussion. And any type discussion is thrown right out for it's foolishness.

Take the 80s and 90s away from Jimmy Johnson and he has nothing.

 

[rkarp1]

Bill is still the GOAT HC in NFL history in my opinion.
that won't change given how his career ended in NE, and given his performance at UNC

for me the discussion is not did it happen post Brady, but why did it happen post Brady.
off the field, Bill's decisions for both staff and player acquisition were highly questionable. on the field, I still think Bill was an excellent coach.
did age bring on his desire to only work with those close to him? did his outside of football interests effect his desire for football?
many often said once he left the nfl, with the total wins as a HC in hand, in his mid 70's, he would still end up coaching lacrosse at a military or prep academy. yet he isn't. he is in the fire in the brutally competitive college coaching/recruiting/nil game, with zero experience in the latter two, and with a GM who has zero experience in either as well.
so here we are. Bill is repeating the mistakes he made in NE post Brady, at UNC. he was unable to upgrade the roster. he hired, friends, kids and kids of friends. he still has an extremely odd relationship with the media, that hates him when he is coaching but loves him when he is not and is part of the media (last year). the media stories today, true or not, are hurting/killing his ability to recruit, and keep players for next season.

so for me, Brady has zero impact on the discussion. but Bill clearly is making decisions differently. why?

 

[h0c2000]

Jordon probably didn't want ESPN talking about that.

 

[tmpg2000]

 

[Tunescribe]

Without Tom Brady, Bill Belichick is a complete and total failure as a head coach at 2 levels.

BB might've stumbled badly these last few years but this definitely IS hater blather.

I wish you guys would drop the Bill vs. Tom nonsense. Beyond being childishly simplistic it demonstrates an embarrassing lack of football knowledge.

 

[h0c2000]

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+13.5 underdogs. Starting 2-4 would make 6 wins very steep even with UNC's cupcake schedule this season.

 

[sb1]

BB might've stumbled badly these last few years but this definitely IS hater blather.

I wish you guys would drop the Bill vs. Tom nonsense. Beyond being childishly simplistic it demonstrates an embarrassing lack of football knowledge.

There’s a troll here who apparently wants us to think the Belichick-coached Patriots win the Super Bowl last season had he stayed and I believe most of these posts here are ridiculing that take and that troll, as they should.

I don’t think any of us are talking about Bill vs Tom. That debate is long settled. There’s no question that Bill has regressed so badly without him now at 2 levels of football and it’s worth asking why.

I think part of it is he’s older and would rather work with yes men than anyone who would challenge him. And without Brady who was an offensive savant we’re left with a defensive minded HC from a long-gone era of the game. And whose roster building mistakes the last few years he was here could no longer be covered up. There was no reason to think things would get any better so it was time to move on.

 

[Bill Lee]

BB was indispensable to Tom's development and realized his potential when Brady essentially outplayed Bledsoe during the 2001 preseason. It was just a matter of time before BB made the switch, only that a VERY convincing case had to be made for it considering Drew's veteran experience and what he was getting paid. Bledsoe's injury solved things in that regard, opening the door for Tom probably earlier than otherwise would've happened.

I was thinking about Bill as a person to develop quarterbacks and found something I think is interesting. Bill kept drafting QBs throughout Brady's 20 seasons here. He did this to the point it pissed many fans off. Why spend a 2nd on Jimmy G when we have the GOAT QB when you could have spent that pick on a WR or an OL to help Tom out? He had so many different guys he drafted behind Tom that went on to be at least starting-level talent such as Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissette and even Bryan Hoyer. He had backup level guys like Kevin O'Connell (now HC of the Vikings), Huard, Mallet. Not to mention Rohan Davey who has two rings so he must be good, right?

But the thing is, when Bill truly NEEDED a new QB he choked. He had his developmental QB of choice, Stidham, on the roster when Brady left. I remember the arguments here saying either Stid would be fine because he has the GOAT coach, or he'd suck. Then of course Bill decided he'd suck and at the last minute went with the corpse of Cam Newton and his never-ending scarf collection. He had Mac and we now see how he could be a serviceable QB with good weapons, a good OL and of course good coaching. Yet Bill didn't provide these especially after McDaniels left and we got the back-and-forth with Jones and Zappe that defined the end of Bill's stay here.

So, isn't that ironic? Bill invests draft capital time and time again in the QB position instead of signing a low-budget vet QB backup for Tom, but when he chases Tom out of town and really needs a QB in his late period he shows he really isn't that good at finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. All those draft picks that could have helped Tom were really there to build up this legend of Bill as a QB whisperer, and when push came to shove we learn that actually Bill isn't good at picking or developing QBs, especially not late-period, bunny-chasing Bill.

 

[sb1]

I was thinking about Bill as a person to develop quarterbacks and found something I think is interesting. Bill kept drafting QBs throughout Brady's 20 seasons here. He did this to the point it pissed many fans off. Why spend a 2nd on Jimmy G when we have the GOAT QB when you could have spent that pick on a WR or an OL to help Tom out? He had so many different guys he drafted behind Tom that went on to be at least starting-level talent such as Matt Cassel, Jacoby Brissette and even Bryan Hoyer. He had backup level guys like Kevin O'Connell (now HC of the Vikings), Huard, Mallet. Not to mention Rohan Davey who has two rings so he must be good, right?

But the thing is, when Bill truly NEEDED a new QB he choked. He had his developmental QB of choice, Stidham, on the roster when Brady left. I remember the arguments here saying either Stid would be fine because he has the GOAT coach, or he'd suck. Then of course Bill decided he'd suck and at the last minute went with the corpse of Cam Newton and his never-ending scarf collection. He had Mac and we now see how he could be a serviceable QB with good weapons, a good OL and of course good coaching. Yet Bill didn't provide these especially after McDaniels left and we got the back-and-forth with Jones and Zappe that defined the end of Bill's stay here.

So, isn't that ironic? Bill invests draft capital time and time again in the QB position instead of signing a low-budget vet QB backup for Tom, but when he chases Tom out of town and really needs a QB in his late period he shows he really isn't that good at finding diamonds in the rough and developing them. All those draft picks that could have helped Tom were really there to build up this legend of Bill as a QB whisperer, and when push came to shove we learn that actually Bill isn't good at picking or developing QBs, especially not late-period, bunny-chasing Bill.

Well said. I challenged the idea that Bill was a top QB whisperer and that caused a cult meltdown lol. Jacoby Brissett was “proof” that I was wrong. Lmaooooo

We also see it at UNC. Bill recruited Lopez who isn’t good and kept the better QB who could win games on the bench until his hand was forced.

 

[BHPatriot]

 

[h0c2000]

Well said. I challenged the idea that Bill was a top QB whisperer and that caused a cult meltdown lol. Jacoby Brissett was “proof” that I was wrong. Lmaooooo

We also see it at UNC. Bill recruited Lopez who isn’t good and kept the better QB who could win games on the bench until his hand was forced.

The QB whisperer pushed out this QB:

Ryan Browne - Purdue Boilermakers Quarterback - ESPN

View the profile of Purdue Boilermakers Quarterback Ryan Browne on ESPN. Get the latest news, live stats and game highlights.

www.espn.com

after telling him he sucked. Better stats than all of UNC's QBs against significantly harder defenses.

Bill pushing out QBs is a theme.

 

[Bill Lee]

It kills you that you can’t factually dispute my statement, doesn’t it? All you can do is levy personal insults and/or try to change the subject.

“Hater fake news 8 ringzzzzzzz
Hater fake news 8 ringzzzzzzz
Hater fake news 8 ringzzzzzzz”

 

[signbabybrady]

Dude you just wrote a 3 paragraph post about Bill trying to create an image as a QB whisperer because he drafted several backups during Brady's 20 years. You are the very definition of a hater. And saying he was after some legend of QB whisperer is also fake news.

You sound like Sleepy Joe can't make a coherent thought.

 

[lancerman]

His number of SB appearances and SB victories is eye popping no qualifications needed.

Also if you erase 20 years from most coaches they end up with zero losing or winning seasons.

When all of the include either the greatest player to touch a football or the greatest defensive player in history, you can absolutely qualify them. Especially when the guy most of that success was with where he ACTUALLY WAS THE HC proved he didn't need Belichick to win titles. Belichick as a HC has never proven he is even anything but abysmal without Brady, much less someone who can win titles.

You can't erase 11 (now 12) years of disasters and pretend they never happened and that they can't be part of the discussion so you can live in lala land.