The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

Bill and Fat Mike could have tried to take the reins and tweak things but no, they took on 70 new players. To me it feels like a choice to suck so that they could get themselves a second season. Either that or they believe their own press and thought anything they touch turns to gold. Regardless they do suck, and the blow back from that along with the huge distraction that Bunny has been could lead to an early end to the gravy train.

Why must everything be so clandestine.

If we just assume half those guys either choose to leave on their own or will be replaced in some way. That's still 35 players and if they get to work again and combine a good HS recruiting class with a another transfer class then they'll have a large group of their own guys some of which will now be in their second year of the program. And whatever you think about their success this year or next it seems to be a logical way of going about building your program with your guys.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

I admit…while I deeply resented what Bill chose to do with the final years of his tenure, I wanted him to regain a spark and do well at UNC.

Instead, we are watching an abject train wreck sad ending to an incredible career.

The on-field is bad enough, add the creepy relationship and it’s sad.

I’ve also never been more certain that Kraft probably should have fired Bill MUCH sooner but didn’t out of loyalty.

Also, kind of feel bad for his sons because they left solid jobs and probably harmed their careers following Dad.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

They held Brady down because they wanted to Prop up Manning too.

I put Brady right up there with Montana the day after he won his 3rd. I would argue with friends that he's still playing he's going to at least tie Montana so why should we have to wait for it to actually happen to say it. I was telling everyone told you so in 07 when he and Moss were changing the league. It obviously wasn't until 14 that he finally tied Joe but point is shame on you if you didn't make him out to be every bit the same God you described and shame on you if for some odd reason that makes you hold it against Bill now.

You can split that pie however you want but I'll go down swinging forever that it was always a huge AND Tom AND Bill AND so much more too from smaller contributions like Wiggy to the biggest guys like Ted Washington. From position coaches like Scar to a guy like McDaniels still carrying the torch. And of course Vrabs going from Player to Coach.

All of that comes from pre draft bias, Manning was always supposed to be elite and win Super Bowls and Brady wasn't so people called him some kind of system QB and looked for reasons why he wasn't better.

It still happens today with the baked in draft bias it's just the quarterbacks aren't up to the standard of those 2 but people look for reasons and excuses for example when Brock Purdy is playing good and look for excuses why Trevor Lawrence isn't.

People look for reasons to discredit one and look for excuses for the other and it all goes back to where they were drafted and what they were supposed to be.

 

[h0c2000]

 

[Huckleberry1]

I admit…while I deeply resented what Bill chose to do with the final years of his tenure, I wanted him to regain a spark and do well at UNC.

Instead, we are watching an abject train wreck sad ending to an incredible career.

The on-field is bad enough, add the creepy relationship and it’s sad.

I’ve also never been more certain that Kraft probably should have fired Bill MUCH sooner but didn’t out of loyalty.

Also, kind of feel bad for his sons because they left solid jobs and probably harmed their careers following Dad.

Great post. I noticed signbabybill responded with a picture of himself.

Wow, signbabybill even blessed my post with a pic of himself. You look so much like Goodell SBB. Thanks.

 

[signbabybrady]

Great post. I noticed signbabybill responded with a picture of himself.

What picture?

 

[Jim Beankie]

I am very critical of Belichick in his final years here and I will say people who use his time coaching in Cleveland as proof he is a product of Brady is bunk.


The fact is Belichick could have won a Super Bowl in 2001 with probably a half dozen or so QBs in the league that year. Brady was good, but he wasn’t special. Same goes with most of 2003 where the defense carried the team during the regular season and most of the playoffs.

EDIT: I didn’t mean in 2003 he could have won with a half dozen QBs. Just that Brady was good and not yet special. The offense wasn’t great that season. Not really Brady’s fault, but he also wasn’t good enough to elevate the offense either like he did later in his career.

Oh man, i know it's the Scotch but here we go... Imho, B Schools should be writing cases on/with/about TB12 (and they have...). That dude's got that show pony unicorn beef magic leadership that somehow translated on the field right from the get go for all three phases. That's what made him the GOAT right from the beginning. Don't give me this "not yet special" crap. Being clutch in the NFL requires that everyone gets elevated and a lot of clutch was required in 2001. Doesn't mean BB isn't the HC GOAT, but still...

At Michigan, we had a great fullback named Chris Floyd. On running plays, his primary job was to block the linebackers and create holes for the running back with the ball. It’s hard work. It’s very physical and taxing on your body, not to mention that there’s not a lot of glory in it. In football, the camera follows the ball carrier, and blockers tend to go unrecognized. But Brian Griese made a point to tell people: “There’s nobody I’d rather have in the backfield with me than Chris Floyd.” The recognition meant everything to Chris. After hearing that, he walked around like he was 10 feet tall. That made a huge impression on me. I began making a habit of giving credit to players in those underappreciated roles—not just because they deserved it but also to point out to others that no player should go unnoticed.

When I joined Tampa Bay, in 2020, the team was running a lot of screen passes, but we weren’t getting much yardage because the offensive line was missing too many blocks too often. I told the offensive linemen that every time we ran a screen play that gained more than 15 yards, I’d pay each of them $1,000. On Mondays, we’d watch game film, and they’d line up with smiles on their faces and their hands out when we accomplished our goal. These were athletes making a lot of money, so $1,000 wasn’t that much to them. But the fact that I was paying them out of my own pocket meant something and motivated them to do better.

During my early seasons with the Patriots, I was part of a group of players called the “Edgers.” We were constantly competing to get the edge on one another: who could get to the weight room earlier, watch more game film, do more extra practice—even something as silly as who could drink the most water. People assume that the coaches made sure we were putting in the work, but in this culture, we were holding ourselves to a higher level of accountability. I remember practices where the coach would tell us we needed to run 20 wind sprints, each under seven seconds, with a 30-second break after each one. I’d stand up and say, “No, guys, we’re doing 24 sprints, six seconds each, with 15-second breaks in between.” (Remember, I was the slowest guy on the team.) Some of the players would start arguing and yelling. I’d tell them: “I don’t give a f— what the coach says.” We needed to work harder because it mattered to us, not just give enough effort to satisfy the coach.

I wish I had a foolproof method for going into any situation where a player is giving 70% and finding a way to squeeze out that remaining 30%. I’m not sure I ever was able to do that. But by modeling team-focused behavior and creating higher expectations and accountability, I could reliably get another 5% or 10% out of players—and that often made a big difference.

I spent most of my career playing for Bill Belichick. He’s the greatest coach in the history of the NFL, and many fans are familiar with his coaching style. He’s very intense and matter-of-fact. He grew up as the son of a coach at the Naval Academy, and that’s where he learned his coaching style. He is a product of that rigorous military environment. The focus was on discipline and accountability, not on empathy or compassion. No matter how we played, Coach Belichick’s coaching style was to motivate the team by looking for weaknesses and areas to improve. There’s an argument that players need that. Pro athletes have a lot of people in our lives—families, girlfriends, wives, agents, fans—telling us how great we are. Coach Belichick always wanted to keep us from buying into those narratives and becoming complacent. We all felt fortunate to play for him, and there were many benefits to his approach, but his motivational style—often based on fear—was sometimes difficult. So as a team leader, I tried to complement that approach by being a bit more upbeat.

In his leadership style, Coach Belichick never got too close to his players. He wasn’t one to mingle and form personal relationships with players or coaches, because it’s difficult to do that when you know you’ll have to trade, cut, or fire most of them at some point down the road. So I often took the opposite approach: I tried to get to know my teammates deeply and show that I cared about them personally. I asked about their families and the things going on in their lives off the field. I made it clear that if we connected as teammates, they’d be my teammates for life, and I’ve tried to live up to that. My relationships are the most important thing in my life. I like to think my style complemented Coach Belichick’s. I was lucky to play for a coach who was so smart, hardworking, and focused on discipline—a coach who relentlessly held people accountable for doing their job. He was fortunate to have someone like me who could recognize where the team was at emotionally, rally the troops, and pull people together.

I'd copy and paste more but just read the HBR article called "The Art of Leading Teammates."

 

[Brandon_Cox]

Hamilton: The Belichick Experiment's curiosity factor is gone; now it's just a joke

North Carolina was the ideal opponent for Clemson to avoid its worst start since 1998. Meanwhile, the Tar Heels find themselves in what was to be a Bill Belichick-led quick

www.postandcourier.com

 

[sb1]

Finally Bill is honest for once lmao

 

[h0c2000]

Genius coaching move.

 

[sb1]

Genius coaching move.

Bill is playing the Baby Shark song while other coaches play checkers.

 

[lancerman]

All of that comes from pre draft bias, Manning was always supposed to be elite and win Super Bowls and Brady wasn't so people called him some kind of system QB and looked for reasons why he wasn't better.

It still happens today with the baked in draft bias it's just the quarterbacks aren't up to the standard of those 2 but people look for reasons and excuses for example when Brock Purdy is playing good and look for excuses why Trevor Lawrence isn't.

People look for reasons to discredit one and look for excuses for the other and it all goes back to where they were drafted and what they were supposed to be.

Yup. Long story short, Peyton Manning being the best QB meant a lot of people would end up being right and having their opinions validated. Brady overshadowing him his entire career meant virtually everyone had to accept that their draft takes and analysis were just a bunch of guess work and that nobody really knew what they were talking about.

Same thing happened with Luck. Luck was good, but to this day people act like he was one of the elite QB's who was on some sort of HOF trajectory before he quit when the reality was he was at best an above average franchise QB.

People didn't want to be wrong, Brady existing made them very wrong.

 

[Bill Lee]

Hamilton: The Belichick Experiment's curiosity factor is gone; now it's just a joke

North Carolina was the ideal opponent for Clemson to avoid its worst start since 1998. Meanwhile, the Tar Heels find themselves in what was to be a Bill Belichick-led quick

www.postandcourier.com

Example: Belichick insists the program is in the middle of an floor-to-ceiling overhaul.

"We're honest with them, honest that we're building," he said, "and if you want to be a part of a program that's being built, then we're here for you."

How's that going over?

"I'm not here to rebuild," Shipp said. "I'm here to win football games. That's why I'm here. Whatever they're doing with the donors, that has nothing to do with me. I'm here to win football games."

At least they recognize that Hudson’s enhancing her own brand by drafting off her boyfriend’s legacy. They get that and likely don’t hate her game. Then again, she's one of them. But the players just can’t connect with Belichick when they get past the shine of his Super Bowl rings.

Who thought this would work, anyhow?

It’s most likely — and most troubling — signals that UNC’s decision-makers were reaching for anything to achieve football relevance. We now know how far a school that fancies itself as a bastion of higher learning will go in order to be a player in football.

H8rs everywhere you look, even on his own team, LOL!

 

[h0c2000]

We're on to NCAA BB.

More people at a BB scrimmage than stayed for the second half yesterday.

 

[lancerman]

Example: Belichick insists the program is in the middle of an floor-to-ceiling overhaul.

"We're honest with them, honest that we're building," he said, "and if you want to be a part of a program that's being built, then we're here for you."

How's that going over?

"I'm not here to rebuild," Shipp said. "I'm here to win football games. That's why I'm here. Whatever they're doing with the donors, that has nothing to do with me. I'm here to win football games."

At least they recognize that Hudson’s enhancing her own brand by drafting off her boyfriend’s legacy. They get that and likely don’t hate her game. Then again, she's one of them. But the players just can’t connect with Belichick when they get past the shine of his Super Bowl rings.

Who thought this would work, anyhow?

It’s most likely — and most troubling — signals that UNC’s decision-makers were reaching for anything to achieve football relevance. We now know how far a school that fancies itself as a bastion of higher learning will go in order to be a player in football.

H8rs everywhere you look, even on his own team, LOL!

And this is the ultimate problem. College is not the NFL. These kids have 3-4 years of real play time where they want to create a commercial to NFL gm's for why they should be drafted. The best players are not going to go to a 73 year rebuild project.

Like I said, this is not the NFL. You don't take this current crop and then add a good draft class to a 53 man roster where you are guaranteed at least one of the top 32 and then one of the top 64 each year along with guys forced off their team due to money. His class next year will be based on him selling himself and his team that is in the gutter to players to not go to better schools where they can be put in winning positions. And the gap is too big in college talentwise to take some middle of the road prospect, put him in the right scheme and then have him do well against guys who are just many times his talent level. You can get away with that in a league where everyone is good. Not in a league where the talent pool goes from "this guy is just having fun in college to this guy is absolutely going to have a career playing this sport".

 

[XLIX]

IThe fact is Belichick could have won a Super Bowl in 2001 with probably a half dozen or so QBs in the league that year. Brady was good, but he wasn’t special. Same goes with most of 2003 where the defense carried the team during the regular season and most of the playoffs.

********. He was 5-13 with that team before Brady took over. They weren’t going to the Super Bowl with Aaron Brooks and Trent Green.

 

[signbabybrady]

********. He was 5-13 with that team before Brady took over. They weren’t going to the Super Bowl with Aaron Brooks and Trent Green.

The good old days for UNC fans, LOL.

Looks like we won the trade big time: Bill, Bunny and the rest of the grifters for Drake Maye!

Huge win last night. One of biggest in a few years and within minutes you miserable frauds are back at it lol. Haters gonna hate. 11:22 XLIX lol did you watch the kick go in and then type this up in the same minute.

 

[sb1]

********. He was 5-13 with that team before Brady took over. They weren’t going to the Super Bowl with Aaron Brooks and Trent Green.

Or Bledsoe starting

 

[sb1]

Ya Bill doesn’t draft Drake Maye if he was here. No way no how not a chance. Any other opinion is trash.

Thank goodness he wasn’t given a chance to screw us.

 

[Bill Lee]

Ya Bill doesn’t draft Drake Maye if he was here. No way no how not a chance. Any other opinion is trash.

Thank goodness he wasn’t given a chance to screw us.

SBB's mindless drivel makes even less sense when we see the net effect of sending late-period Bill onto his career of meely-mouthed media appearances, ****y chasing, word trademarking, and pulling the wool over the eyes of university administrators and boosters.

Even the simple concept of "we win, they lose" is too much for him to understand.