NFL GAME DAY DISCUSSION Week 5 Other Games - Thursday Night Football Edition

[signbabybrady]

I ask 'cause that game last night? I certainly was. That's what football can give you sometimes. Not as often as it used to maybe, the gap between the few haves vs the have nots being what it is, but there's still gold in them there hills.

This thread is entertaining. Watching all the frauds using Shanahan and Mac winning in week 5 as an excuse to hate on Bill. Educational and laughable but next week they'll try to pretend they aren't haters again.

 

[signbabybrady]

I am happy for Mac Jones. Not happy that you have to highlight your vindictiveness at every opportunity. I forgive you.

I agree except that last line.

 

[Mcp1982]

Last night we saw what Mac Jones might have been if Patriots didn't put on an absolute clinic on how to ruin a young QB. I always believed that Mac Jones could be a good QB if he was put a good situation. He isn't a guy who can elevate a bad offense, but put him in the right system with the right players around him, he can be a top 15 QB.

That said, I am glad it didn't work out with Jones. Drake Maye has the talent to potentially become a top 5 QB. If the Patriots didn't ruin Mac, there would have been no Drake Maye in New England. I think the Pats are better off with him than Mac.

agreed, he is a Derek Carr, Kirk Cousins, Chad Pennington. Low ceiling, high floor, we just ruined the floor somehow

 

[Thelonious]

I am happy for Mac Jones. Not happy that you have to highlight your vindictiveness at every opportunity. I forgive you.

I understand, but the further we get from Bill's final couple of years here, the uglier they look to me. I supported and admired Bill until he was unworthy of support and admiration, until two or three years before he finally got the boot, then I didn't. These days I feel sorry for him and hope, as I have said here several times, that he gets the intervention and help he so obviously needs. But I am not gong to ignore the damage he has done as coach, as GM, to his reputation, probably to those close to him, just because once upon a time, pom poms were in order for the guy. His ill-treatment of Mac, and of other players, was ugly and in direct contravention of his obligation as well-compensated HC and GM to "do what is best for the team," and for the players.

My main feeling in the present circumstance, as I said in my post, is happiness for Mac's seeming redemption. That is hardly the stuff of "vindictiveness."

 

[Fuzz]

Speaking of teams ruining


Shanahan always puts his QBs in the best position to succeed no matter the talent on the field. But the 49ers o-line did a great job protecting Jones for the most part last night (although he did take some big hits while throwing). McCaffrey is still a match up nightmare. Kendrick Bourne can be awesome for short bursts.

This isn't the 49ers' offense of three or four years ago when Deebo was still great and McCaffrey was always healthy and unstoppable and an elite o-line, but there is still enough talent there to make system QBs like Mac good when managed properly.

You clearly didn't watch the game if you thought this. Mac was forced to get the ball out lightning quick throughout the entire game and was still getting lit up. 49ers fans were (and still are) melting down about the state of their o-line.

A lot of people are implying that he managed this game as a system qb, but this was a classic "carry" game. Nearly all the SF weapons are out and his o-line stunk, but he found a way to get it done. I'm not implying that he can carry teams regularly like the top QB's can, but this performance was the complete opposite of what detractors make him out to be - gutsy, clutch, and driven.

 

[Bill Lee]

Here we see an absolute clinic on cultism. Point out a clear example of how Bill failed to do what Shanahan has done, get Mac Jones to perform as an adequate NFL starter via professional-level coaching and the use of talented skill players and adequate linemen around him. Instead of discussing Bill's failure to develop Mac, there is an attempt at diversion by using ad-hominem attacks.

 

[Thunderhead]

I am very happy to see Mac Jones doing well. His ill treatment here by a vindictive Bill Belichick in decline was ugly and unnecessary. It is gratifying to see that wrong righted.

Bill the Pill. When does "vindictive" cross the line to "intentional sabotage"? Answer: when you hire Matt Patricia/Joe Judge as OC/QB coach.

 

[Bill Lee]

Great on the field, but his unrestrained performance off the field was next level drama queen.

The whole 'Mac is a wimp' thing is such false machismo IMO.

Mac was routinely getting lit up when he played here.

There's no way any of the patsfans.com members would stand up any better than Mac did.

They'd be showing even more signs of pain the first time they got hit, IMO.

 

[Bill Lee]

A lot of people are implying that he managed this game as a system qb, but this was a classic "carry" game. Nearly all the SF weapons are out and his o-line stunk, but he found a way to get it done. I'm not implying that he can carry teams regularly like the top QB's can, but this performance was the complete opposite of what detractors make him out to be - gutsy, clutch, and driven.

I think he found a way because he was well-coached. He knew he had to get the ball away quickly. To do that he had to know where his targets were, and his targets had to be where he expected them to be.

Nearly all his weapons were out, but clearly he found McCaffery and Bourne time and time again. Tonges played an important role as well.

 

[condon84]

Props to Mac for playing well yesterday. I couldn't stand the guy when he was here because he was scared of his own shadow, but he toughed it out last night and made some throws.

Props to Bourne as well. He played well.

Sometimes a change of scenery is good.

Also, I think we can all acknowledge Bill was out to lunch and focused on the wrong thing during the end of his tenure here. But the constant need to bash the guy is nauseating. I had to mute posters who constantly bashed Brady when he left, now I have to mute posters who constantly need to bash Belichick. Yeah we get it, you don't like the guy but he's a legend and did a lot for the team we support.

 

[Rob0729]

You clearly didn't watch the game if you thought this. Mac was forced to get the ball out lightning quick throughout the entire game and was still getting lit up. 49ers fans were (and still are) melting down about the state of their o-line.

A lot of people are implying that he managed this game as a system qb, but this was a classic "carry" game. Nearly all the SF weapons are out and his o-line stunk, but he found a way to get it done. I'm not implying that he can carry teams regularly like the top QB's can, but this performance was the complete opposite of what detractors make him out to be - gutsy, clutch, and driven.

I admit I wasn't watching the game closely enough. Thursday night is my poker night and I was too busy losing my shirt at poker table to watch closely.

 

[Thelonious]

Jones looks pretty good with good coaching. Who would have thought?

Curran would and did, as would many others. Mac hasa weak arm which place a ceiling on what he might become, but he might well be a serviceable back-up, even a passable starter on a team that does not need QB heroics.

 

[Thelonious]

Props to Mac for playing well yesterday. I couldn't stand the guy when he was here because he was scared of his own shadow, but he toughed it out last night and made some throws.

Props to Bourne as well. He played well.

Sometimes a change of scenery is good.

Also, I think we can all acknowledge Bill was out to lunch and focused on the wrong thing during the end of his tenure here. But the constant need to bash the guy is nauseating. I had to mute posters who constantly bashed Brady when he left, now I have to mute posters who constantly need to bash Belichick. Yeah we get it, you don't like the guy but he's a legend and did a lot for the team we support.

Pretty clear we ALL cannot acknowledge this.

 

[maust]

This thread is entertaining. Watching all the frauds using Shanahan and Mac winning in week 5 as an excuse to hate on Bill. Educational and laughable but next week they'll try to pretend they aren't haters again.

I seldom swim with the school although if it passes by and happens to be headed in my direction I have no objection to sharing some good company. I suspect in this case though I am with the majority, this 'hater' crap has gone well past tiresome. We had 20 years of the greatest run any NFL fan base has ever been blessed with and now we have a section of that same fan base picking at the carcass just to score their perceived 'wins' on the internet.

Enough already, turn the page mf'ers. No one is changing their opinions at this point and the constant BS has poisoned the stream we all swim in. The lack of consideration for the rest of us is insulting. Everyone (well almost everyone) engaged in it knows what they're inflicting on the rest of us but blows right past their own decency in the rush to get their shot in regardless of who catches the strays. It is mind-numbingly self indulgent and insufferably rude. That it is largely coming from otherwise worthwhile posters like yourself is just the cherry on top of the **** sundae you all are constantly serving up to the rest of us.

I'm beginning to hold everyone involved in contempt and that's a crappy feeling to harbor when it's about posters I used to respect.
All of you please just stop and if you could return the adult version of you back to us that would just be great.

 

[VrabelJr]

Props to Mac for playing well yesterday. I couldn't stand the guy when he was here because he was scared of his own shadow, but he toughed it out last night and made some throws.

Props to Bourne as well. He played well.

Sometimes a change of scenery is good.

Also, I think we can all acknowledge Bill was out to lunch and focused on the wrong thing during the end of his tenure here. But the constant need to bash the guy is nauseating. I had to mute posters who constantly bashed Brady when he left, now I have to mute posters who constantly need to bash Belichick. Yeah we get it, you don't like the guy but he's a legend and did a lot for the team we support.

This is not the post PatsFans deserves, but it’s the post PatsFans needs.

 

[Rob0729]

IMO draft position means very little with Brady being the obvious example. Mac was drafted 15. So much of that isn't about Mac. So much about that is what the various teams perceive their need at that point in time and how they perceive the value of other talented players both at QB or at other positions.

I am not talking about you need a high draft pick to get a franchise QB. But here we have the receipts of what the QBs drafted have turned into. Name the QB in the last five years that the Pats could have drafted where they were drafting or lower because they had a better record that you would want to be the Patriots' franchise QB. Bock Purdy?

At this point, the only QBs who look to be potential franchise QB who were drafted over the last five years is Maye and a few others where the Pats would have had to be worse than they were to draft.

 

[Thelonious]

Bill looks real bad after mac's game. He lost his marbles the last 5 years and with whatever he is doing in Carolina bill's legacy is tainted quite a bit. Maybe in another 10-15 years it might not matter , but belichick stock is at its lowest right now.. no debate.

"No debate." Lol, not so much, it turns out. The if-only-Mac-hadn't-been-such-a-sissy-Bill-would't--have-had-to-be-such-an-******* brigade is out in full force,

 

[Fuzz]

I think he found a way because he was well-coached. He knew he had to get the ball away quickly. To do that he had to know where his targets were, and his targets had to be where he expected them to be.

Nearly all his weapons were out, but clearly he found McCaffery and Bourne time and time again. Tonges played an important role as well.

Agreed. We know better than most that Bourne is a WR3 at best. He had to feed Bourne because he had no other choice. Here is a rough approximation of the SF receiving depth chart, with injured players crossed off:

Brandon Aiyuk
George Kittle
Christian McCaffrey
Jauan Jennings
Ricky Pearsal
Kendrick Bourne

 

[Thelonious]

I love Mac and I'm rooting for him but I'll take Drake over him a brazalian times

Absolutely.

 

[Thelonious]

The whole 'Mac is a wimp' thing is such false machismo IMO.

Mac was routinely getting lit up when he played here.

There's no way any of the patsfans.com members would stand up any better than Mac did.

They'd be showing even more signs of pain the first time they got hit, IMO.

Could not agree more. Take the ankle thing: I tore a few ligaments in my ankle once: the pain was excruciating. Brady screamed when his knee blew up. Was he a sissy? A lot of this really is macho posing.