The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

Everyone is wrong but you. All those who think Belichick is the GOAT are Belichick haters. Bill Belichick didn’t drive Tom Brady out of New England Bob Kraft did.

I have never seen anyone more full of **** on this site than you.

No one drove Tom Brady out. Are there stories of some frustration during the course of 20 years sure. But at the end of the day it was an amicable split way more so than Bill and Kraft.

Had Kraft wanted to hold Brady to the fire he could have but he chose being a loyal to Brady over being hard-nosed and left the choice to Brady. Bill worked hard to try and get him weapons in 2019 but ultimately the season fell short of expectations and when faced with choice for a number of reasons Brady chose to leave. No one cut him, traded him, and he never came to Kraft with a chance to resign him. Those are facts wether you choose to except them or not.

 

[Huckleberry1]

No one drove Tom Brady out. Are there stories of some frustration during the course of 20 years sure. But at the end of the day it was an amicable split way more so than Bill and Kraft.

Had Kraft wanted to hold Brady to the fire he could have but he chose being a loyal to Brady over being hard-nosed and left the choice to Brady. Bill worked hard to try and get him weapons in 2019 but ultimately the season fell short of expectations and when faced with choice for a number of reasons Brady chose to leave. No one cut him, traded him, and he never came to Kraft with a chance to resign him. Those are facts wether you choose to except them or not.

Total ********. Belichick drove Brady out and literally everyone other than you recognizes that. You’re a liar.

 

[signbabybrady]

Total ********. Belichick drove Brady out and literally everyone other than you recognizes that. You’re a liar.

 

[Bill Lee]

I'm not following recruitment like this but if I'm reading this correct it seems like you are citing a bunch of freshman and kids still in highschool that have committed to play here next year? I'm not sure what point this is supposed to make as it relates to Mondays loss?

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Say it with me, those who screech about “70 new players” (and you know who you are): this is the team Belichick and general manager Mike Lombardi built, the players they chose.

Not a hand they were dealt and forced to play.

If North Carolina is struggling to complete a pass, or string together first downs, or tackle and pursue defensively, that’s a personnel and coaching problem.

If North Carolina has a string of seven consecutive series in the loss to TCU that included five three-and-outs, an interception and a fumble, that’s a personnel and coaching problem.

Belichick built the roster, he’s the reason UNC has 70 new players. It wasn’t forced on him, nor was it his only option.

During the game we kept hearing about those 70 new players without any context provided such as Bill and Mike chose to release the players recruited by the previous staff and that they are the ones who chose those 70 new players. They left things open to the interpretation that Bill was stuck with someone else's choices, when he was not.

Then it goes on to say that some people are suggesting that Bill is being successful recruiting next year's class but when you look at the 27 players they have recruited so far you see a lot of quantity and not a lot of quality. This means the overall average is good, but to win you need the blue-chip players yet the numbers say he hasn't gotten any of them.

And of course the national showcase Bill had would have been a great resource to gain the interest of such blue-chip recruits, but he blew the opportunity. They were blown out to the point that UNC fans were leaving in the middle of the 3rd quarter, a really ugly look. As the author points out, by the end of the game the ESPN crew was left with talking about Herbsteit's dog since there was no reason to talk about the game any more.

 

[sb1]

If I was the TCU coach and I was aware of all the ball washing that was being done to Belichick himself his team and his merry band of grifters supporting him I would’ve made it a point to try and hang a 70 burger on them. Surprised he didn’t.

 

[h0c2000]

If I was the TCU coach and I was aware of all the ball washing that was being done to Belichick himself his team and his merry band of grifters supporting him I would’ve made it a point to try and hang a 70 burger on them. Surprised he didn’t.

If the shoe was on the other foot, you can be certain if would have been 70 points.

 

[203Pat]

Bill refused to talk to his starting quarterback lol

 

[signbabybrady]

A quote:




During the game we kept hearing about those 70 new players without any context provided such as Bill and Mike chose to release the players recruited by the previous staff and that they are the ones who chose those 70 new players. They left things open to the interpretation that Bill was stuck with someone else's choices, when he was not.

Then it goes on to say that some people are suggesting that Bill is being successful recruiting next year's class but when you look at the 27 players they have recruited so far you see a lot of quantity and not a lot of quality. This means the overall average is good, but to win you need the blue-chip players yet the numbers say he hasn't gotten any of them.

And of course the national showcase Bill had would have been a great resource to gain the interest of such blue-chip recruits, but he blew the opportunity. They were blown out to the point that UNC fans were leaving in the middle of the 3rd quarter, a really ugly look. As the author points out, by the end of the game the ESPN crew was left with talking about Herbsteit's dog since there was no reason to talk about the game any more.

So it would appear that Bill is building things slower and with an eye towards the future?

 

[Bill Lee]

Bill refused to talk to his starting quarterback lol

BuT hEs ThE gOaT cOaCh ( if we erase everything that happened after 2018! )...

 

[Bill Lee]

So it would appear that Bill is building things slower and with an eye towards the future?

CFB is also a not-for-long game.

I think he gets a free pass for the first two seasons, but that's about it.

If he comes off the first season with a poor record and goes into the second season with a bunch of JAGs and no blue-chips amidst more off-field distractions then gets off to a bad start, he might not even get that.

 

[sb1]

Bill refused to talk to his starting quarterback lol

I drafted this kid but nah don’t wanna coach him anymore.

Gave Brady of all people the same treatment. I read somewhere he did that to Kosar in Cleveland too.

All time coach but unquestionably a douche.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Take your guess when things started to go south between Brady's relationship with the Pats, but I'm going to guess it was after he was thrown under the bus for "Deflate Gate". In fact, I think it would've started even earlier had the defense failed on the final drive against Seattle in 2014.

After the 2017 Super Bowl is when things really started to go south as the offense put up 613 total yards and no puts yet lost. "ESPN's Ian O'Connor, in his book "Belichick," reported that Brady wanted a "divorce" from his coach. And Brady made it clear to author Mark Leibovich in the book "Big Game" that he was fed up with Belichick's culture, which is to say that he was fed up with Belichick. When asked in Leibovich's book how he would feel if the Patriots released him, Brady was blunt: "They can do whatever they want." They don't talk about it in the article, but remember when Gronk played games and considered retirement? That's why Bill traded him for a 1st round pick to Detroit. Gronk was pretty fed up with Bill as well.

In 2018, they gave Tom an incentive laden contract that put him in line with some pretty pedestrian QB's.

The story behind the split of Tom Brady, Bill Belichick and the Patriots

It's finally official: Tom Brady will not be forever a Patriot. But in reality, the quarterback's split with New England can be traced back much further than this offseason.

www.espn.com

By 2019, Tom had enough and was prepared to sit out the year if the Pats didn't remove the franchise tag. The most surprising thing was that Tom Brady at his age and accomplishments had negotiated to allow the team to tag him. Here's Hoyer on the situation:



During the Brown fiasco, it was Kraft that released him and not Bill. Brown asked Bill for another chance, but he told him he'd have to talk to Bob. It was clear Bob did this because he was already dealing with his own problems with the massage parlor incident.

Bob blames Bill for letting Tom go, but Bob is the one that could've easily stepped in and told Bill we are signing Tom to the two year $50M contract. The franchise was really starting to believe that Tom was just a product of it - their biggest mistake.

 

[signbabybrady]

CFB is also a not-for-long game.

I think he gets a free pass for the first two seasons, but that's about it.

If he comes off the first season with a poor record and goes into the second season with a bunch of JAGs and no blue-chips amidst more off-field distractions then gets off to a bad start, he might not even get that.

Barring complete catastrophe UNC spent too much not to give him a second year after that I'm not sure what's guaranteed. I obviously have my opinions but you all can guess what I think will happen.

Now admittedly I don't know the college game well enough to even define catastrophe for a school like this. I'd probably start around.500. if he's less than that with all crap in the media that might be catastrophe.

I always felt UNC was a weird choice because what I normally would consider a good year for a school like this is nowhere near enough for the bar Bill has set for himself. Now again I don't know college ball enough and especially given the new nil rules I'm even more lost.

I suspect Bill will figure most things out and then I assume it comes down to how good of a QB he can find and develop. For the kids sake I hope Gio does a lot better as the year goes on.

 

[signbabybrady]

If I was the TCU coach and I was aware of all the ball washing that was being done to Belichick himself his team and his merry band of grifters supporting him I would’ve made it a point to try and hang a 70 burger on them. Surprised he didn’t.

Unranked or not It does seem like TCU got ignored week 1 and leading up. And they seemingly took exception to it. Apparently very rightfully so.

 

[signbabybrady]

If the shoe was on the other foot, you can be certain if would have been 70 points.

Hopefully we get to see some 50 burgers from UNC this year. A lot of games easier than TCU.

 

[signbabybrady]

BuT hEs ThE gOaT cOaCh ( if we erase everything that happened after 2018! )...

Funny from the guys that erase 2001-2019

 

[signbabybrady]

I drafted this kid but nah don’t wanna coach him anymore.

Gave Brady of all people the same treatment. I read somewhere he did that to Kosar in Cleveland too.

All time coach but unquestionably a douche.

Seems like an interesting tactic. Weeded out a near the end Kosar and a never will be Mac. And kept the GOAT motivated.

 

[Bill Lee]

In 2018, they gave Tom an incentive laden contract that put him in line with some pretty pedestrian QB's.

As you say, everyone's free to navigate the various reports as they see fit.

As above, to me 2018 was the **** or get off the pot moment. Plan A: extend Tom with a contract that rewards him for what he's putting up with. Plan B: Draft Lamar instead of Sony to keep the heat on Brady and so you have something once he leaves. We got no plan at all.

Bob blames Bill for letting Tom go, but Bob is the one that could've easily stepped in and told Bill we are signing Tom to the two year $50M contract. The franchise was really starting to believe that Tom was just a product of it - their biggest mistake.

I think Bob's actions show that while he really appreciated Brady, when push comes to shove he valued BB over Tom. As you say he didn't force Bill to resign Brady to a contract that would reward him, nor did he step in to get any other accommodations for Tom, he just let Bill do what he wanted to do. I feel this was due to the aftermath of the Pete Carroll era where he got tagged as being a meddling owner. He didn't want to be that guy, again, but IMO he paid a big price for not stepping in.

 

[Bill Lee]

Funny from the guys that erase 2001-2019

That's how you like to frame things, but we don't.

Yet you yourself said we should erase 2019 and beyond.

 

[sb1]

That's how you like to frame things, but we don't

Yup. Typical cult logic