The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

So triggered. lmao

Just acting like a red neck in the foods firing off rounds at no particular target and then petting his own gun. French fries potatoes mmm hrrrrrrrr.

 

[Wozzy]

Peyton Manning's average is lower than reality. After that, why bother reviewing the rest? I figure it's a hit piece.

Tom's average PPG for offense is 4.65.

The graph shows the points allowed by QB’s defenses. This isn’t hard.. just admit you didn’t research anything and assumed we’d just take your word for it.

 

[h0c2000]

The graph shows the points allowed by QB’s defenses. This isn’t hard.. just admit you didn’t research anything and assumed we’d just take your word for it.

And the number listed for peyton is wrong. This isn't hard.

For those who have math difficulties, Petyon's defenses averaged 13.5

 

[Wozzy]

And the number listed for peyton is wrong. This isn't hard.

For those who have math difficulties, Petyon's defenses averaged 13.5

I’m going to write off the one point position rank discrepancy to your poor math skills.

 

[203Pat]

God she is an idiot.

 

[Bill Lee]

You'll never know if you don't try it with someone else. Like I said I bet Vrabel wouldn't mind a similar set up. We win 6 SBs doing things one way and we're just tossing everything out to follow some generic status the NFL decided is best.

Right, pretty much every employee would love it if they had no boss and could do what they think is best, but over centuries of evolution we've discovered that in general doesn't work out well.

Bill's system of moving on from players a year early and pulling in under-valued vets worked, till other teams saw it was effective and began scouting the same players. Once everyone's playing the same game then you no longer have an advantage.

And of course his moving on a year early scheme is what led to the rift with Brady, and we all know how that played out.

Jesus all you guys ever obsess over is the Draft. That's just one piece of team building.

Ok, now let's see you call out Wozzy for his obsession over "collaboration",

 

[Bill Lee]

I was dubious that this thread would hit the 200 page mark, but now I feel rewarded by the glorious way it did so!

 

[signbabybrady]

Right, pretty much every employee would love it if they had no boss and could do what they think is best, but over centuries of evolution we've discovered that in general doesn't work out well.

Bill's system of moving on from players a year early and pulling in under-valued vets worked, till other teams saw it was effective and began scouting the same players. Once everyone's playing the same game then you no longer have an advantage.

And of course his moving on a year early scheme is what led to the rift with Brady, and we all know how that played out.



Ok, now let's see you call out Wozzy for his obsession over "collaboration",

I was actually going to use the term myself so instead of giving one man full control you get collaboration.

Which gives you Wolf hanging around past expiration and rats and whatever other jokes Vrabel has made. And I do think that was a joke and I'm not going there yet. Collaboration can work it has for many teams.

But again I cant just shrug of that we would just threw out something that did work so well for us for so long. I tend to like outside the box thinking over group think and I think we're just generically trying to fall in line with the rest of the league just because our owners wanted change for the sake of change.

 

[Wozzy]

Ok, now let's see you call out Wozzy for his obsession over "collaboration",

Bob coined collaboration, not me.

 

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[signbabybrady]

Lol this is for the UNC fans seems kindergarten for us.

Bill Belichick family tree: Meet sons Steve, Brian and dad in NFL legend's coaching family | Sporting News

Bill Belichick may be the most prominent name of the family, but the Belichicks have a number of coaches involved in the group.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[h0c2000]

https://www.frogsowar.com/college-football/45529/opponent-preview-north-carolina-tar-heels

It must have been challenging for Steve Belichick to uproot his work in Washington to resume servitude on his father’s staff, after only one year removed from doing the exact same thing in New England.

 

[lancerman]

Bob coined collaboration, not me.

In yet not once in 200 pages and multiple other threads have you shown evidence of Bill Belichick being forced to either make a decision on bringing in personnel that he didn’t want to get or being forced to not draft or acquire someone he wanted. There is zero evidence that besides maybe having to listen to Wolf’s opinion that Belichick had anything less then final say in team building.

Since you brought up Kraft, when he himself hired Belichick, he explicitly pointed to the unprecedented amount of control Bill had on the organization and an inability to get him to give any up as one of his reasons for moving on.

You heard a phrase once and without any real specifics of what it meant used the vagueness of it as a paper shield to avoid holding Belichick accountable for any bad personnel decisions even though many discusses in this thread preceded the term “collaboration” being uttered. Which isn’t surprising since you are someone who also posts graphs with incorrect data and reaches for literally anything without thought to validate your feelings on the matter.

There is a 100% chance even now you will either avoid or deflect giving a single example or detail of Bill being held back or not on the hook for team building decision that went wrong because of this collaboration you enjoy using as a boogeyman.

 

[Steve102]

Yeah the main thing being the game changed away from Bills strength and into his weaknesses.

The WRs and passing game became more important than ever and let's be honest he hates QBs and can't draft or doesn't value WRs and still wants to win the old school way with a QB managing the game with defense and special teams where as the NFL wants shootouts and scoring and doesn't want defensive games and the rules are against it.

The Anti-Bill and Pro-Bill people can't just accept that Bill was the best ever in his prime and then at the end he sucked, we don't have to go back and re-create history to discredit him when he was great and then pretend he didn't cause his own demise with terrible drafting and coaching staff decisions, he became more about wanting to be with his friends and coach people he liked rather than to hire the best people for the job, if you don't get out at the right time a coach in every sport has that moment when the game passes them by and Bill had his.

Bill from 2001-2016 was a great coach who although had spotty drafts you could always say he put the team first, from 2017 questionable things where he clearly putting himself and his personal feelings before the team started to happen, the downfall started before Brady left that last Super Bowl was almost a miracle that team had some horrendous performances during that season at Jacksonville, Tennessee and Detroit that you almost never see from a team that wins a Super Bowl.

A Brady masterclass in KC and one last showing of Belichicks defensive fastball still having life against the Rams secured an unlikely championship for a team that was in decline that had no business winning.

Conclusion - Bill was wasn't carried by Brady for his career like the Anti-Bill people would tell you he was outstanding for a good 15 years, Bill also wasn't doomed by Mac Jones or Kraft forcing him to draft him like the Pro-Bill people will tell you he was doomed by his own bad decisions and the game passing him by which lasted way longer than a year or two it was going on a good 5/6 seasons and it was getting worse and worse every season and Brady staying would only be able to massage it to a fraudulent 10-11 wins, the days of this team winning big were done because of Bill and his bad drafting and his paranoia and refusing to hire anyone but friends, friends kids, his kids and people with connections to him.

This should have been the last post in this gawd awful thread.

 

[signbabybrady]

In yet not once in 200 pages and multiple other threads have you shown evidence of Bill Belichick being forced to either make a decision on bringing in personnel that he didn’t want to get or being forced to not draft or acquire someone he wanted. There is zero evidence that besides maybe having to listen to Wolf’s opinion that Belichick had anything less then final say in team building.

Since you brought up Kraft, when he himself hired Belichick, he explicitly pointed to the unprecedented amount of control Bill had on the organization and an inability to get him to give any up as one of his reasons for moving on.

You heard a phrase once and without any real specifics of what it meant used the vagueness of it as a paper shield to avoid holding Belichick accountable for any bad personnel decisions even though many discusses in this thread preceded the term “collaboration” being uttered. Which isn’t surprising since you are someone who also posts graphs with incorrect data and reaches for literally anything without thought to validate your feelings on the matter.

There is a 100% chance even now you will either avoid or deflect giving a single example or detail of Bill being held back or not on the hook for team building decision that went wrong because of this collaboration you enjoy using as a boogeyman.

Its not about acquiring someone you didn't want but it changes the focus on what you can acquire. Just use a generic venn diagram. You still find someone inside your circle but you have to stay in that sliver that also overlaps what the guys want too.

 

[Bill Lee]

You heard a phrase once and without any real specifics of what it meant used the vagueness of it as a paper shield to avoid holding Belichick accountable for any bad personnel decisions even though many discusses in this thread preceded the term “collaboration” being uttered.

I still don't understand how the same guy that they prop up as being the almighty GOAT coach would let himself get cuked just because the owner sprinkled the word "collaboration" around.

If Wolf et al really had the juice and as the GOAT he knew he needed total control to get the kind of team he wanted, the minute he realized all that was the time to resign. It makes no sense for him to hang around and go down with the ship, yet that's what he did.

The whole idea that he did the MP, JJ and Sons thing just to get fired is throwing the baby out with the bath water, the baby being his legacy and his future hiring prospects.

The story that makes far more sense is that he just stopped giving a damn. That story line connects directly with the overpaid bunny hunter and all his various hangers-on grifting at a middle-of-the-pack college football team.

 

[Wozzy]

In yet not once in 200 pages and multiple other threads have you shown evidence of Bill Belichick being forced to either make a decision on bringing in personnel that he didn’t want to get or being forced to not draft or acquire someone he wanted. There is zero evidence that besides maybe having to listen to Wolf’s opinion that Belichick had anything less then final say in team building.

Since you brought up Kraft, when he himself hired Belichick, he explicitly pointed to the unprecedented amount of control Bill had on the organization and an inability to get him to give any up as one of his reasons for moving on.

You heard a phrase once and without any real specifics of what it meant used the vagueness of it as a paper shield to avoid holding Belichick accountable for any bad personnel decisions even though many discusses in this thread preceded the term “collaboration” being uttered. Which isn’t surprising since you are someone who also posts graphs with incorrect data and reaches for literally anything without thought to validate your feelings on the matter.

There is a 100% chance even now you will either avoid or deflect giving a single example or detail of Bill being held back or not on the hook for team building decision that went wrong because of this collaboration you enjoy using as a boogeyman.

Except that time entering the 2021 season at the owner’s meeting when Bob announced personnel was no longer Bill alone.

Oh yeah, and Bill’s own words a month ago…

“Ownership, coaching and scouts must be on the same page in order to be successful” and he had that up until about the last four years in New England. - 2025 interview

No evidence, none at all….

 

[XLIX]

Team manager doesn’t count…

1) There’s no shame in being team manager. They probably spend more time with the coach than any of the players.

2) I was a wide receiver.

3) You’re nothing special. You’re not the only one here that played organized ball. You’re just the only one who thinks it gives you some sort of special insight.

 

[XLIX]

Wozzy did you even play in college

He never answers that question because he’s a ****y that thinks playing pop warner makes him superior to all the rest of us.

 

[lancerman]

Except that time entering the 2021 season at the owner’s meeting when Bob announced personnel was no longer Bill alone.

Oh yeah, and Bill’s own words a month ago…

“Ownership, coaching and scouts must be on the same page in order to be successful” and he had that up until about the last four years in New England. - 2025 interview

No evidence, none at all….

Reread what I said you never provided evidence of a notice you didn’t do it. Also notice I showed you Kraft’s own words regarding why he fired Bill in regards to control while you hide behind another statement Kraft made.

Again show me one decision Bill was forced into