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[Uptown]

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[BobDigital]

No Travis Hunter today. Which is disappointing.

I feel like we are seeing little of the top picks or really anyone. Preseason has really transformed in recent years. There really aren't many teams which do dress rehearsals anymore. Maybe if they canceled all join practices they may play their guys more...

But the thing most surprising is how little the top rookies play these days. Teams seem very comfortable letting them focus on practice reps and then throwing them out in the regular season with very little live action.

Look at Cam Ward... 7 attempts this week. 8 attempts last week. I don't know if he will have a lot more next week, but it doesn't feel like it. Give a rookie QB you expect to start for you so few reps 10 years ago would be unheard of. With only 3 preseason games you'd think they'd try to fit in a bit more, not less.

 

[captain stone]

Gotta disagree. Curtis Martin had just left as a FA for JETES and they needed a #1 back. Edwards production in his one season almost matched Martin's 1100 yd rushing and 300 yds receiving albeit for a lower average 3.8 v 4.0 which wasn't bad for a rookie. He was third RB taken behind Enis and Fred Taylor at #18. Pickings were slim with Ahman Green and Michael Pittman drafted much later and only other productive RBs.

Vonnie Holliday (or Randy Moss in hindsight but he dropped because of his alleged baggage) should've been the pick. Edwards was damaged goods coming-out of college already.

 

[captain stone]

Double-ended?

 

[DaBruinz]

The Patriots don’t have 2 impact players to trade. They can’t afford to give up the few that they have. I would offer a 2nd for him, but that’s all, unless they want Cole Strange and Kendrick Bourne.

I'd offer Jennings and Strange. Jennings isn't a direct replacement for Hendrickson, but he's 2.5 years younger and an above average all-around DE/OLB

 

[captain stone]

Not that I wish long-term injury on them except for Reek Hill, but if some of them happen to miss Week 2 then I wouldn't complain either.

 

[captain stone]

Yep.

He could wear it underneath another shirt, like when Sean Payton wore his (and my) Stokoe The Clown tee-shirt during an interview a few years ago...

 

[TheRainMaker]

Bob Sanders was a Head-Hunter who deserved every ****ing injury he received, and more. ****ing Hated that ****ing dirty little mother****er. **** him.

Agree. I didn't like his kamikaze style of play. Media loved it, but it was dirty.

And Edwards never should've been drafted when he was in the first place.

I'm interested as to where you think he should've been drafted. As we've discussed before, Moss would've been the obvious choice had they kept Martin. But since Martin was gone, they had to take a RB.

Gotta disagree. Curtis Martin had just left as a FA for JETES and they needed a #1 back. Edwards production in his one season almost matched Martin's 1100 yd rushing and 300 yds receiving albeit for a lower average 3.8 v 4.0 which wasn't bad for a rookie. He was third RB taken behind Enis and Fred Taylor at #18. Pickings were slim with Ahman Green and Michael Pittman drafted much later and only other productive RBs.

Edwards was the obvious pick for that era, but there was nothing that wowed you watching him play. Aside from the Tenn game early in the year and the 49ers late in the season, he was really bad against the better run defenses.

With that said, I think he would've been good enough to help the Pats get to the playoffs in 1999 which means Bill/Tom are probably elsewhere.

 

[captain stone]

Wow Stiddy

Not that it's saying much, but Stiddy should've been our QB in 2020 instead of the ****ing Insult that was Scam Newton.

 

[captain stone]

Howie's a little prick, and he was in over his head early during his tenure there under Chumley Reid; but he seems to have the wheeling & dealing part of the business down pat now...

 

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[captain stone]

Agree. I didn't like his kamikaze style of play. Media loved it, but it was dirty.

He made himself a human missile vs Moss after he caught a long pass during the 2007 game there. Head first and everything. While Moss was already on the ground. **** that guy.

I'm interested as to where you think he should've been drafted. As we've discussed before, Moss would've been the obvious choice had they kept Martin. But since Martin was gone, they had to take a RB.

Not really sure they HAD to take a RB at #18 overall. I know I didn't want them to do so, and that's in the knowledge that Martin was already gone.

Edwards was the obvious pick for that era, but there was nothing that wowed you watching him play. Aside from the Tenn game early in the year and the 49ers late in the season, he was really bad against the better run defenses.

He was really just a volume runner: he'll get you 100 yards but it will take him 27-28 carries to do it, as his '98 numbers show...

https://www.footballdb.com/players/robert-edwards-edwarro01

With that said, I think he would've been good enough to help the Pats get to the playoffs in 1999 which means Bill/Tom are probably elsewhere.

A more-accurate Vinatieri could've done that all by himself

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

I thought the Pats were usually 2nd to the Cowboys , why the slip to No 4 ... has this to do with ticket sales , less money or sponsors etc ???

Probably because the rams spent 4 billion on their stadium/complex, and they did it all with their owners own cash. Probably added to the value of the franchise.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Howie's a little prick, and he was in over his head early during his tenure there under Chumley Reid; but he seems to have the wheeling & dealing part of the business down pat now...

As well as the drafting. His last three drafts have been top 3 in the NFL replacing lost free agents with starters.e.g. Dejean, Blankenship

 

[TheRainMaker]

A more-accurate Vinatieri could've done that all by himself.

Vinaiteri was awful in 1999. And if he made game winning kicks against KC and Buffalo, Pats go 10-6 and are at Seattle in the Wild Card.

 

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[Zuma]

Now he’s recruiting himself. Why not.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I was quite shocked at how bad he was in ATL last season.

 

[SteveKiner]

Not really sure they HAD to take a RB at #18 overall. I know I didn't want them to do so, and that's in the knowledge that Martin was already gone.

I was praying the Pats would take Moss. They took a WR in the 2nd so it was definitely a need and I thought Moss was the best player in college that year. I had a business associate that was a Vikings fan and I told him they took the best player in the draft. For once I was correct.

 

[Uptown]

Why couldn’t we ever have a QB like that?…