PATRIOTS TRAINING CAMP Training Camp Day 12 - Wednesday August 6 - Joint practice controlled scrimmage versus Washington Commanders.

[One-If-By-Sea]

And let's be honest, Chism if a far more accomplished WR coming out of college than Edleman was.

Welker and Kupp were not athletic studs by measurables, but both have/had very productive NFL careers, the hope is Chism can do the same, but TBD obv.

I agree. And Welker and Edelman took awhile to integrate in, but Kupp was a success early on.

A fun question is why didn't the Rams draft Chism after Kupp was so good? What did the Rams see in Kupp that they did not see in Chism?

 

[PatsFan2]

Chism 3cone 6.77 (on a 2nd attempt where the 1st attempt was slower). Edelman 3cone 6.62. Chism is not nearly Edelman quick, not even close.

Chism 40 4.71. Edelman 40 4.52. Again Chism is not nearly the athlete Edelman was.

Sorry that facts keep getting in the way of your fanaticism.

This again: Chism plays faster than his timed speed.

 

[PatsFan2]

I agree. And Welker and Edelman took awhile to integrate in, but Kupp was a success early on.

A fun question is why didn't the Rams draft Chism after Kupp was so good? What did the Rams see in Kupp that they did not see in Chism?

Nobody is perfect Teams make mistakes.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

This again: Chism plays faster than his timed speed.

So Chism plays faster than Edelman? Not a chance Dude. Nice try though.

 

[PatsFan2]

I agree. And Welker and Edelman took awhile to integrate in, but Kupp was a success early on.

A fun question is why didn't the Rams draft Chism after Kupp was so good? What did the Rams see in Kupp that they did not see in Chism?

They got Devante Adams... I'm going to start calling you Mr easy.

 

[PatsFan2]

So Chism plays faster than Edelman? Not a chance Dude. Nice try though.

Javon Wheelchair Baker is going to prove you wrong. I'm still tuting his horn.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Javon Wheelchair Baker is going to prove you wrong. I'm still tuting his horn.

You are already calling 6'1" Baker a big WR. LOL. Anyone bigger than your smurfs looks like a giant.

What is Hollins at 6'4"? The Lock Ness monster? A god?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

I agree. And Welker and Edelman took awhile to integrate in, but Kupp was a success early on.

A fun question is why didn't the Rams draft Chism after Kupp was so good? What did the Rams see in Kupp that they did not see in Chism?

No idea. Similar skill set, similar measurables, better production for Chism at the same school. But if you're alluding that the Rams didn't draft Chism because he's no good, that's a pretty narrow view. Maybe they had other teams needs higher than WR and those guys were rated higher on their board.

That's like asking this fun question: If Edleman was such an athletic stud, why did he get drafted in the 7th. If Nacua was so good, why didn't he get drafted before the 5th. Why did Welker and Amendola go undrafted. Why did Brady get drafted 199?

Teams get it wrong all the time. Maybe Chism defies the odds and teams are shaking their heads 3 years from now, or maybe Chism is selling insurance then. Time will tell.

 

[Ring 6]

This again: Chism plays faster than his timed speed.

How so? Are you comparing him to the level of competition he faced in college? He might look faster than he is because everyone else is slow. That’s kinda the issue

 

[PatsFan2]

How so? Are you comparing him to the level of competition he faced in college? He might look faster than he is because everyone else is slow. That’s kinda the issue

Chism doesn't look slow @ Pats TC.

 

[Ring 6]

No idea. Similar skill set, similar measurables, better production for Chism at the same school. But if you're alluding that the Rams didn't draft Chism because he's no good, that's a pretty narrow view. Maybe they had other teams needs higher than WR and those guys were rated higher on their board.

That's like asking this fun question: If Edleman was such an athletic stud, why did he get drafted in the 7th. If Nacua was so good, why didn't he get drafted before the 5th. Why did Welker and Amendola go undrafted. Why did Brady get drafted 199?

Teams get it wrong all the time. Maybe Chism defies the odds and teams are shaking their heads 3 years from now, or maybe Chism is selling insurance then. Time will tell.

This argument is kind of like why didn’t you go to the same store to buy your lottery ticket as the guy who won power ball. Isn’t him winning proof that people win, so why can’t I win.

Edelman was drafted in the 7th because he was a long shot.
These are kids who are still developing skills, and who at 22 because rich adults who make a living having collisions with other guys, often
much bigger than them.
No player is perfect all have flaws. It’s very hard to predict. The more strengths and less flaws doesn’t guarantee anything, it just increases the odds.
Citing 7th rounders or UDFAs who made it as an argument why another one will overlooks that the odds are extremely long and many others didn’t.

 

[Ring 6]

Chism doesn't look slow @ Pats TC.

have you been to practices? Can you expand on that? Doesn’t look slow in what way? In what situation, compared to who?

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

How so? Are you comparing him to the level of competition he faced in college? He might look faster than he is because everyone else is slow. That’s kinda the issue

Do you think Kupp looked slow during his best years with the Rams? I certainly don't.
His measurables are nearly identical to Chism, and they played the same level of competition.
So if Kupp is slow, and played the same level of competition, how was he so good?
You don't need a blazing fast 40 time to succeed, this has been proven many times in the NFL.

So Chism won't succeed why?
Because he's slow?
Because his level of competition?
Because he's white?

 

[PatsFan2]

have you been to practices? Can you expand on that? Doesn’t look slow in what way? In what situation, compared to who?

You'll see him Tonight...watch closely.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

This argument is kind of like why didn’t you go to the same store to buy your lottery ticket as the guy who won power ball. Isn’t him winning proof that people win, so why can’t I win.

Edelman was drafted in the 7th because he was a long shot.
These are kids who are still developing skills, and who at 22 because rich adults who make a living having collisions with other guys, often
much bigger than them.
No player is perfect all have flaws. It’s very hard to predict. The more strengths and less flaws doesn’t guarantee anything, it just increases the odds.
Citing 7th rounders or UDFAs who made it as an argument why another one will overlooks that the odds are extremely long and many others didn’t.

I understand probability very well. I understand anyone drafted in the later rds, or signed as an UDFA are long shots. I also understand that Chism was a pretty accomplished WR in college and has a skillset that caught the attention of many NFL teams. You don't bring a guy in on a top 30 visit for no reason. 6 teams did that, so obv they saw something in him. I also understand that many guys that came before him with similar athletic traits have found success, and many more have failed. I think he has a chance, that is it. I'm not guaranteeing anything either way.

 

[Ring 6]

Kupp ran a 4.62 Chism a 4.71. 4.62 is relatively slow, 4.71 is worse.

Again if you take every WR who ran a 4.62 a very low percentage of them made it.
Football skills mean much more than measurable, you can’t lump players together on measurables and call them the same.
There are many skills a wr needs. Any of those areas that are deficient make it harder for them to succeed.

You seem to have this backward. I’m not saying he won’t succeed. I’m saying the odds are extremely long.
Yes he is slow, and that is a detriment to his chances.
Yes he played against a low level of competition and that could be a determiner to his chances.
The only thing that white has to do with it is dime people think that’s why he will succeed.

Slow, low level of competition, evaluation by all of the professionals that said he wasn’t draft worthy based upon his skillset (enormous difference from Kupp) are all factors that make him less likely to succeed.

Ultimately he’s a man going out and competing against other men in a violent sport. There is no formula to tell you who succeeds and who doesn’t. There are just factors that make it harder or easier and increase or decrease the likelihood.

Are you saying players that match up to his measurables, level of competition and draft evaluation have a high likelihood of suceeding?

 

[Ring 6]

I understand probability very well. I understand anyone drafted in the later rds, or signed as an UDFA are long shots. I also understand that Chism was a pretty accomplished WR in college and has a skillset that caught the attention of many NFL teams. You don't bring a guy in on a top 30 visit for no reason. 6 teams did that, so obv they saw something in him. I also understand that many guys that came before him with similar athletic traits have found success, and many more have failed. I think he has a chance, that is it. I'm not guaranteeing anything either way.

Nor am I.
The difference is I expect the most likely and you are resisting it.

 

[DoubleDeluxe]

Are you saying players that match up to his measurables, level of competition and draft evaluation have a high likelihood of suceeding?

Not at all. All of those things make him a long shot, I've never disagreed about that. Despite all those things I think he has a chance, while realizing statistically it's a slim one.

 

[Ring 6]

You'll see him Tonight...watch closely.

Why didn’t you answer my question?

 

[Ring 6]

Not at all. All of those things make him a long shot, I've never disagreed about that. Despite all those things I think he has a chance, while realizing statistically it's a slim one.

How is that different than what I am saying?