Hollins As A Special Teamer

[patfanken]

I just can't help but laugh as I read this thread. It literally took just 2 weeks for the Pats to be viewed as a team with ZERO WR talent to one with more talented WRs than roster spots to keep them.

Aint perception a *****.

 

[Steve102]

I'll tell you why there is push back on Hollins - I don't want to give up on promising players, rookie Chism and the second year Baker/Polk... so far Baker and Polk have been more than competitive in camp... I am in the middle of a complete 180 on Polk based on what we have seen in the last week... Baker? he's only caught more TD passes than anyone else in the league during camp... not just here, but across the league... I am paying attention to that. Everyone should be.

What Hollins brings to the table isn't enough to surpass that promise of potential.

It remains to be seen if Chism can make it to the end... he shows flashes of talent, but will most likely end up on the practice squad... if he doesn't get picked up elsewhere...

And say what you want about Bryan Cox being an older player but he wasn't done at that point... he would have been one of the leading tacklers on the 2001 team if he didn't miss a chunk of games due to a broken leg...

He was more done than Hollins is now.

I've said my piece, my brother. I'm defending a guy that's at best a 4-5 WR. I like this guy's toughness, that's about it. Everyone wants to talk about the other guys' potential. Polk and Baker aren't rooks. I like Williams (in spite of yesterday's thread) and Chism more than either Polk or Baker. I recognize that Baker has shown up during camp, so good for him and good for the team if he excels. In the end, I'm rooting for whoever lines up on the 53 on opening day. I just want them to win. I feel like I've defended Hollins waaaaaaaay more than I should have to. The Pats have had WRs with potential and exactly zero have panned out since Meyers. So, let's switch it up. Let's get a guy that will lay out some punk DB so Diggs/Pop/Williams/Henderson or either of the TEs can run free.

Steve-o out.

 

[Pape]

He was more done than Hollins is now.

I've said my piece, my brother. I'm defending a guy that's at best a 4-5 WR. I like this guy's toughness, that's about it. Everyone wants to talk about the other guys' potential. Polk and Baker aren't rooks. I like Williams (in spite of yesterday's thread) and Chism more than either Polk or Baker. I recognize that Baker has shown up during camp, so good for him and good for the team if he excels. In the end, I'm rooting for whoever lines up on the 53 on opening day. I just want them to win. I feel like I've defned Hollins waaaaaaaay more than I should have to. The Pats have had WRs with potential and exactly zero have panned out since Meyers. So, let's switch it up. Let's get a guy that will lay out some punk DB so Diggs/Pop/Williams/Henderson or either of the TEs can run free.

Steve-o out.

NAY!!!! I demand you come back and die on the hill that is mack hollins!!!!!

lol,

 

[mgteich]

REPEAT TEN TIMES
If any of Chism, Polk or Baker is considered worth keeping by the team, he will make the 53. The status of Hollins is of almost no import, probably not more than the status of say Pettus.

 

[mgteich]

He was more done than Hollins is now.

I've said my piece, my brother. I'm defending a guy that's at best a 4-5 WR. I like this guy's toughness, that's about it. Everyone wants to talk about the other guys' potential. Polk and Baker aren't rooks. I like Williams (in spite of yesterday's thread) and Chism more than either Polk or Baker. I recognize that Baker has shown up during camp, so good for him and good for the team if he excels. In the end, I'm rooting for whoever lines up on the 53 on opening day. I just want them to win. I feel like I've defned Hollins waaaaaaaay more than I should have to. The Pats have had WRs with potential and exactly zero have panned out since Meyers. So, let's switch it up. Let's get a guy that will lay out some punk DB so Diggs/Pop/Williams/Henderson or either of the TEs can run free.

Steve-o out.

I'll bite.

Why do you think that Douglas hasn't worked out?

 

[Triumph]

I'll bite.

Why do you think that Douglas hasn't worked out?

I read that he is having a great camp.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

You can't teach height, and Hollins at 6'4" is five inches taller than Williams or Boutte, four inches taller than Diggs, and 8 inches taller than Douglass.

 

[Ring 6]

It "seems" that you expect (absent injuries) to have a roster than includes Polk and/or Baker.

Probably. Why wouldn’t you pick the most promising young guy for the spot that doesn’t project to see much of the field.

What more does Hollins give you that outweighs the future?

 

[Ring 6]

Way back in the day, they had Bryan Cox on the 2001 roster. He was done, but a tone setter. They say his hit in the Colts regular season game changed the demeanor of the team from the hunted to the hunters. I am shocked that everyone doesn't see that in this guy. I know he's a nothing guy as far as WRs go, but so is every other fekk on the roster not named Diggs or Pop. Dude is a football player, not some outside the numbers I'm-not-going-across-the-middle-type of under producing WR with a ton of athleticism and swagger and zero production. All set on these Tyquan Thorton types. All freakin' set. N'keal freakin' Harry. Keep 'em all. Gimme football players.

Where did this attitude of Hollins being a tough guy come from?
Hes a JAG. If he has these incredible intangible qualities why is he in his 5th team in 5 years? Did the other teams value that? If they don’t why should we?

You mention Harry and Thornton, ironically Harry has a higher catch per snap played rate than Hollins and Thornton is very close.

What is he doing that makes his lack of making receptions more valuable than those slugs?

Comparing him to Brian Cox is comedy gold by the way.

 

[Ring 6]

You can't teach height, and Hollins at 6'4" is five inches taller than Williams or Boutte, four inches taller than Diggs, and 8 inches taller than Douglass.

If that were valuable wouldn’t he have a higher reception per snap played rate than NKeal Harry?

 

[Ring 6]

Why bring Hollins here and pay him all that money?

Just to cut him.

To compete for a job, the signing Diggs, drafting Williams, and Boutte outplaying him has cost him.

 

[TommyD4207]

I'll tell you why there is push back on Hollins - I don't want to give up on promising players, rookie Chism and the second year Baker/Polk... so far Baker and Polk have been more than competitive in camp... I am in the middle of a complete 180 on Polk based on what we have seen in the last week... Baker? he's only caught more TD passes than anyone else in the league during camp... not just here, but across the league... I am paying attention to that. Everyone should be.

What Hollins brings to the table isn't enough to surpass that promise of potential.

It remains to be seen if Chism can make it to the end... he shows flashes of talent, but will most likely end up on the practice squad... if he doesn't get picked up elsewhere...

And say what you want about Bryan Cox being an older player but he wasn't done at that point... he would have been one of the leading tacklers on the 2001 team if he didn't miss a chunk of games due to a broken leg...

Chism I'll grant you, but the Polk/Baker traveling circus, I'm good ever seeing that ******** again. Made me pine for the days of Brandon Tate.

 

[Ring 6]

Hollins is Josh’s binkie… unfortunately we’re stuck with him.

I don’t know about that. He sucked pretty bad in Vegas and Josh lost a job there.
I’m sure playing Hollins 94% of the snaps at wr and getting less than 700 yards is something he sees as a failure in that season.
Here he has better players to put out there.

 

[Ring 6]

I just can't help but laugh as I read this thread. It literally took just 2 weeks for the Pats to be viewed as a team with ZERO WR talent to one with more talented WRs than roster spots to keep them.

Aint perception a *****.

I don’t know if fighting over WR5 options is calling them one of the more talented WR groups.
The fact that the choices for WR5 are 2 draft busts, a guy with NKeal Henry’s catch per snap played rate and a slow white rookie from a small school probably says we aren’t picking the best of great options but the tallest midget.

 

[n1997y]

would rather have a guy who can catch the ball vs another short bus rider...

2024, targeted 50 times, 31 receptions so he caught 62% of his targets, with 25 catches producing first downs and 5 resulting in TDs.

That is 60% of his targets being either first downs or touchdowns.

If that’s a “short bus rider” (abhorrent choice of smear btw) then I hope the Pats’ WRs crowd their bus.

 

[mgteich]

2024, targeted 50 times, 31 receptions so he caught 62% of his targets, with 25 catches producing first downs and 5 resulting in TDs.

That is 60% of his targets being either first downs or touchdowns.

If that’s a “short bus rider” (abhorrent choice of smear btw) then I hope the Pats’ WRs crowd their bus.

That's nowhere near good enough for andy.

He'd rather have Polk and Baker.

 

[Patjew]

I just can't help but laugh as I read this thread. It literally took just 2 weeks for the Pats to be viewed as a team with ZERO WR talent to one with more talented WRs than roster spots to keep them.

Aint perception a *****.

I haven't read that.

I am reading that we have a logjam of potentially mediocre #4 or #5 WRs.

 

[mgteich]

I haven't read that.

I am reading that we have a logjam of potentially mediocre #4 or #5 WRs.

I think that you mean players with a potential to be #4 WR's.

 

[Ring 6]

2024, targeted 50 times, 31 receptions so he caught 62% of his targets, with 25 catches producing first downs and 5 resulting in TDs.

That is 60% of his targets being either first downs or touchdowns.

If that’s a “short bus rider” (abhorrent choice of smear btw) then I hope the Pats’ WRs crowd their bus.

It took him 721 snaps to get those 31 receptions which is incredibly low production. Worse than NKeal Harry’s career. One of the very worst in the league. I bet you couldn’t find another WR with 600+ snaps who produced less.

FYI a TD counts as a first down so it’s not 30 it’s 25.

 

[Pape]

2024, targeted 50 times, 31 receptions so he caught 62% of his targets, with 25 catches producing first downs and 5 resulting in TDs.

That is 60% of his targets being either first downs or touchdowns.

If that’s a “short bus rider” (abhorrent choice of smear btw) then I hope the Pats’ WRs crowd their bus.

and? those aren't exactly impressing me... He was the number 3 option in buffalo last year... he put up fewer receptions and half the yards vs the number 3 option did the year before...

you think a reference to a short bus is abhorrent? i thought it was funny... well then, its a good thing i didn't call him ****ing ******ed for running around with no shoes...