The Bill megathread (HC at UNC, girlfriend, etc.)

[signbabybrady]

Tony Gonzalez is considered the NFLs greatest TE.

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?

You can think Tony G is the greatest it's a reasonable opinion but you must recognize so is saying Gronk too and saying such is in no way worthy of your snark. Especially in these parts.

 

[Hyped]

Back in 2000:

a.) Belichick was using Grier's draft board.

b.) We already had 3 QB's on the roster: Bledsoe who was just signed to a huge contract, Friesz who was the veteran clipboard carrier, and Bishop who was some good at Kansas State (remember that Hail Mary TD he had on his first career attempt vs. the Colts just before halftime?....Fun game that day).

c.) **** Rehbein was the guy begging us to draft Brady.

d.) Even though Brady outplayed Henson most of the time....Brady was still a part time starter in college....right or wrong....

e.) Brady was not a dual threat QB. Which was all of the vogue back in 2000 with guys like Culpepper, McNair, McNabb, and Kordell Stewart making an impact at the QB position in the NFL.

That being said....yeah..they waited until pick 199 to take Tommy.... and drafted Tommy after taking Klemm, Redmond (my fave pick that year), Greg Robinson-Randall, Stachelski, Marriot, and Antwan Harris (the guy who took home Troy Brown's lateral in the Burgh!).

So, I would say that Belichick deserves partial credit for taking Brady....not all of it. And at the end of the day, nobody evaluates QBs very well....every other successful QB in the league was MOST likely taken in rounds 1 and 2 (and only maybe 50% of those picks panned out anyway) with a few minor exceptions like Brady, Purdy, Prescott, Warner, and etc... it is a literal crapshoot. BB's inability to draft a decent WR outside of Branch, Givens, Edelman, and Mitchell is more worthy of a discussion......

 

[sb1]

I wasn't referring to you. This time.

BB did not want Bledsoe from the beginning. He was forced to play him after Bob Kraft gave him that contract that BB opposed.

None of you can explain WHY BB waited 199 picks to take Brady if he saw potential.

I'd say there was always a ceiling at some point on where Brady was going to be drafted in NE with Bledsoe in front of him. Would have been interesting to see where he would have gone if Drew wasn't here. But yeah if he saw that much potential I would think he wouldn't want to take too many chances that another team would scoop him up.

 

[Grogan14]

In Bill’s book he admits he f’ed up by taking Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michelle instead of Lamar Jackson. First honest statement he has made in years.
Now maybe he will admit he had no plan B after Brady left in free agency.

Andy Reid is a better coach and a better person
Andy always thinks about succession planning and is a much better talent evaluator

He also does not make a fool of himself by dating someone 48 years younger and who is a greedy gold digging tyrant

 

[Wozzy]

Some of your idiotic rants are enshrined in the PF HOF for Morons.

Tell us Ozzy, if BB knew that Brady was so good, then why did he wait 6 rounds to take him?

Facts suck for you…

 

[Wozzy]

And their coach is .426 with one historic playoff beatdown post Brady. Sure sounds like it's the players who ought to take a lot more credit for that than the coach should.

Look at all the greatest coaches in history, they had poor records in the team building process or having to rebuild afterwards.

We don’t count coaches records before and after separate… well, haters do… but cherry picking is necessary for them.

BB drafted and developed Brady… that’s an inconvenient truth for you.

 

[signbabybrady]

In Bill’s book he admits he f’ed up by taking Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michelle instead of Lamar Jackson. First honest statement he has made in years.
Now maybe he will admit he had no plan B after Brady left in free agency.

Andy Reid is a better coach and a better person
Andy always thinks about succession planning and is a much better talent evaluator

He also does not make a fool of himself by dating someone 48 years younger and who is a greedy gold digging tyrant

Andy Reid has some of his own demons hidden in his closet. But I don't feel the need to dig them all up.

Veach is the GM not Reid.

They also went head to head in some very big games with BB beating Reid each time.

 

[signbabybrady]

And their coach is .426 with one historic playoff beatdown post Brady. Sure sounds like it's the players who ought to take a lot more credit for that than the coach should.

The players aren't who they were without superior coaching. It takes great coaching to get great players to do the unprecedented things that they did. There are numerous great players who never won multiple SBs because their coaching/management failed them.

 

[signbabybrady]

Look at all the greatest coaches in history, they had poor records in the team building process or having to rebuild afterwards.

We don’t count coaches records before and after separate… well, haters do… but cherry picking is necessary for them.

BB drafted and developed Brady… that’s an inconvenient truth for you.

The really weird thing is that the only people who cherry pick like this are actually supposed Patriots fans.

 

[Grogan14]

Andy Reid has some of his own demons hidden in his closet. But I don't feel the need to dig them all up.

Veach is the GM not Reid.

They also went head to head in some very big games with BB beating Reid each time.

Andy has done it with multiple qbs, multiple teams
The key games between Bill and Andy were razor thin close, small sample size.

Who would you choose as your coach in 2025?
Its Andy

Also Andy is not an a hole and a selfish dithering fool

Brady fell into Bill’s lap. Andy had the vision to trade up for Mahomes.

 

[signbabybrady]

Andy has done it with multiple qbs, multiple teams
The key games between Bill and Andy were razor thin close, small sample size.

Who would you choose as your coach in 2025?
Its Andy

Also Andy is not an a hole and a selfish dithering fool

Brady fell into Bill’s lap. Andy had the vision to trade up for Mahomes.

I'm choosing Bill ten out of ten times.

Veach chose Mahomes not Andy. It's funny how you guys bend over backwards to give credit for Brady to Rhebein or Grier but then you ignore that Andy is not the GM.

You clearly don't know Andy's past I'm not going to call either Aholes because thats taking it too far over private things we don't know all the details about but one could easily make the case that Andy's off field stuff is worse.

Winning tight games in big spots head to head is the most important thing when comparing two guys so close to each other. Not to mention the 3 SB ring lead that BB still holds.

 

[Wozzy]

The really weird thing is that the only people who cherry pick like this are actually supposed Patriots fans.

A small percentage of BB haters, we saw what the majority of Patriots Nation thought on Brady night at Foxboro with the 15 minute standing ovation.

 

[Triumph]

I'd say there was always a ceiling at some point on where Brady was going to be drafted in NE with Bledsoe in front of him. Would have been interesting to see where he would have gone if Drew wasn't here. But yeah if he saw that much potential I would think he wouldn't want to take too many chances that another team would scoop him up.

If BB traded up to take Tom Brady, he would have been laughed at by the so called experts. But, BB would have the last laugh after Brady won the the 2001 Super Bowl. After 3 Lombardi's BB would have owned the right to be GOAT at drafting NFL QBs.

 

[Triumph]

Facts suck for you…

That question scares you.

 

[Wozzy]

Andy has done it with multiple qbs, multiple teams
The key games between Bill and Andy were razor thin close, small sample size.

Who would you choose as your coach in 2025?
Its Andy

Also Andy is not an a hole and a selfish dithering fool

Brady fell into Bill’s lap. Andy had the vision to trade up for Mahomes.

lol BB beat Andy back in 2004, he never returned to the SB and eventually got fired in Philly.

Moreover neither Andy or Mahomes could get to the SB until Andy hired Steve Spags… so like most head coaches he’s only as good as his employees.

 

[Wozzy]

********, Belichick clearly didn’t like the pick and anything else is revisionist history.

This ^ is false. He skewered all the first round QB’s and picked on all of their weaknesses.

You must have only been playing attention when the Pats picked.

 

[sb1]

This ^ is false. He skewered all the first round QB’s and picked on all of their weaknesses.

You must have only been playing attention when the Pats picked.

"Skewered"

 

[signbabybrady]

"Skewered"

That's because he loves Michigan QBs

 

[Triumph]

In Bill’s book he admits he f’ed up by taking Isaiah Wynn and Sony Michelle instead of Lamar Jackson. First honest statement he has made in years.
Now maybe he will admit he had no plan B after Brady left in free agency.

Andy Reid is a better coach

He wasn't pre Mahomes and to be factual, at least 50% of the Chiefs plays are made up on the field by Mahomes.

Reid is watching it all unfold like you and I just without a beer in his hand.

and a better person

Why did his Son Brit Reid drive drunk leaving his job at Arrowhead and injure a little girl so severely that she will need medical care for life? The Philadelphia Police were frequent visitors to the Reid household and witnessed narcotics laying around Garret Reid's room . He died from a heroin OD.

Would not a better person than BB step away from work and take care of his family?

Andy always thinks about succession planning and is a much better talent evaluator

Eh, Eagles GM Howie Roseman gave Reid some talented teams and Reid choked it away.

The Chiefs GM has done a good job at finding talent too.

He also does not make a fool of himself by dating someone 48 years younger and who is a greedy gold digging tyrant

He is a fat ***.

 

[Triumph]

You can think Tony G is the greatest it's a reasonable opinion but you must recognize so is saying Gronk too and saying such is in no way worthy of your snark. Especially in these parts.

Look it up for yourself.

17 NFL seasons. He holds NFL TE records.