Vegas has Pats at 7.5 wins. (Updated: 8.5)

[yukon cornelius]

I’d like to, but haven’t found where it’s being offered yet. Any pointers?

i don't travel in those circle haha

should have added "if i were a betting man"

 

[mike_usagisan]

It's all going to hinge on Maye. I think he's got talent, but I also think he turned the ball over a lot last year and didn't really win a whole lot of games. If McD can get him to be efficient, not make stupid mistakes and in a place to really take advantage of his strengths and minimize his flaws, 9-10 wins seems possible. If Maye is still a work in progress and is making mistakes playing hero ball, I think 7 wins would be a good showing.

I really don't know what to expect but I hope it's a lot better than what we saw last year.

 

[maust]

My feeling is, barring major injury, that number isn't getting any lower

 

[yukon cornelius]

It's all going to hinge on Maye. I think he's got talent, but I also think he turned the ball over a lot last year and didn't really win a whole lot of games. If McD can get him to be efficient, not make stupid mistakes and in a place to really take advantage of his strengths and minimize his flaws, 9-10 wins seems possible. If Maye is still a work in progress and is making mistakes playing hero ball, I think 7 wins would be a good showing.

I really don't know what to expect but I hope it's a lot better than what we saw last year.

i still think he was very much a victim of disfunction, poor coaching & a lack of talent.......he tried to do too much because, well, he ad to.....

i think in an actual NFL offensive system, with upgraded talent, he's going to be just fine in the TO/mistake department........hell, a significant portion of his INTs were on tipped/dropped balls, etc.....

not really worried about the id

 

[The Gr8est]

Guys please be careful with financial commitments right now. We are all susceptible to post-draft cognitive bias. It is very easy to over value the impact the draft picks will have, the FA's will have, and the new coaches will have. All three of those will need serious time to get to full performance.

People may be underestimating the time it takes for everyone to get on the same page and get the bumps and misfires out of the system.

There are just too many new parts.

That said I really expect the Pats to be a better team than their record at the end of the season.

 

[FCB02062]

Sounds about right. I think 7 to 8 wins would be acceptable - depending how it "looks." If the team peaks mid season and plays like crap down the stretch, Vrabel should be on the hot seat. I give them the first 4 games to gel, get their cohesion. And then the final 13 games should look like a real nfl team.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Sounds about right. I think 7 to 8 wins would be acceptable - depending how it "looks." If the team peaks mid season and plays like crap down the stretch, Vrabel should be on the hot seat. I give them the first 4 games to gel, get their cohesion. And then the final 13 games should look like a real nfl team.

I'm kind of prepared for the possibility (but hopefully not probability) of a 2000 season slog. But as long as the whole franchise seems to be pointed in the right direction, I think Vrabel gets the second season that Mayo didn't.

 

[VJCPatriot]

With a -134 which indicates they are hedging slightly towards us being over. But not enough to give them 8.5 o/u. So if you bet 100 and hit the over you gain $175. Bet the under at +108 and gain $208

Vegas seems confident the Pats are slightly more likely than not to win. 8 games. No more no less. But are also much more likely to only win 7 than win 9.

Pats get the Browns, Raiders, NYG, Falcons, Panthers and Steelers at home. Bengals, Bucs, Titans, Saints and Ravens on the road. Then of course 2x Dolphins, Bills, Jets.

Most of us from what I've gathered have the Pats better than 8-9. Are we overestimating this team or being underestimated? Personally i think the later.

Personally while i haven't betted in a while I'm considering take this. Even giving up another game to get a better pay out at 8,5o/u

The only games i think we are clearly inferior in are Bills x 2 and Ravens. Every other game is a very slight dog to favorite IMO. Bucs are primed for regression. Mayfield isn't having 2 years like that in a row. Bengals are scary on offense, but has their D improved all that much? They will be a winning team, but a true contender who should be a clear favorite over the Pats? I'm not sold. Steelers made some upgrades overall to the 52 but got worse at the QB spot. May be a net loss. Some of those bad teams from last year improved, but i don't think close to as much as we did.

Wins: ]@ Jets Jets Dolphins Falcons, Panthers, NYG, Raiders, Browns, @Saints, @Titans 10
Losses: @Bills Bills @Dolphins @Ravens @Bengals @Bucs Steelers (I think we are better than the Steelers, but gotta drop 1) 7

7 to 8 wins seems reasonable for this team given our improvements in the offseason. We have more talent on the OL and offensive weapons at HB and WR now.

I'm just looking to see improvement from Maye and a grasp of the very difficult McDaniels system. It took a HOFer in TB12 to maximize it.

If it's any comfort McDaniels managed to hide Mac Jones deficiencies with his system. I hope he's a great mentor and resource for Maye to grow.

Maye has a lot more athleticism and upside than Mac. Let's just hope it all clicks upstairs for Maye in his second year with a new OC and playbook to learn.

 

[MrTibbs]

I'm going 9-10 games. It will take a bit to get things figured out. I think Vegas is under valuing the hiring of Josh McDaniels. He may be the most important offseason acquisition.

 

[Toofy]

I'm kind of prepared for the possibility (but hopefully not probability) of a 2000 season slog. But as long as the whole franchise seems to be pointed in the right direction, I think Vrabel gets the second season that Mayo didn't.

Vrabel gets 3 seasons at least...

 

[p8ryts]

I can't believe we are figuring Vrabel's demise already.

 

[PatsFan2]

I'm going 9-10 games. It will take a bit to get things figured out. I think Vegas is under valuing the hiring of Josh McDaniels. He may be the most important offseason acquisition.

Also Doug Marrone he haven't had a decent OL-Coach since the best Dante Scar.

 

[PatsFan2]

7 to 8 wins seems reasonable for this team given our improvements in the offseason. We have more talent on the OL and offensive weapons at HB and WR now.

I'm just looking to see improvement from Maye and a grasp of the very difficult McDaniels system. It took a HOFer in TB12 to maximize it.

If it's any comfort McDaniels managed to hide Mac Jones deficiencies with his system. I hope he's a great mentor and resource for Maye to grow.

Maye has a lot more athleticism and upside than Mac. Let's just hope it all clicks upstairs for Maye in his second year with a new OC and playbook to learn.

Maye is not handicapped throwing outside the numbers like Mac Jones.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I’m actually looking forward to the release of the schedule, and it’s been a while since I could say that.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

7 to 8 wins seems reasonable for this team given our improvements in the offseason. We have more talent on the OL and offensive weapons at HB and WR now.

I'm just looking to see improvement from Maye and a grasp of the very difficult McDaniels system. It took a HOFer in TB12 to maximize it.

If it's any comfort McDaniels managed to hide Mac Jones deficiencies with his system. I hope he's a great mentor and resource for Maye to grow.

Maye has a lot more athleticism and upside than Mac. Let's just hope it all clicks upstairs for Maye in his second year with a new OC and playbook to learn.

I think 10-7 and a playoff spot. What's very unusual about this situation is a) how weak our schedule looks and b) how much transformation has occurred to this team.

We face 8 bad opponents that we should beat or at least go 7-1 based on our defense alone: NYG, CLE, TN, NO, CAR, LV, Jets x 2). There's another 6 games we could split: ATL-Pitt-Mia at home, Bengals-Bucs-Mia away. So even conceding both Bills games and the game at Baltimore, that's 10-7. Of course no game is a given and we could lose to anyone, but I expect a lot more competence this season and we look a lot better than these cellar dwellers. Our D is basically all new and should be dominant right out of the gate. The offense will take some time to jell but will be a lot better than last year from day 1, so long as Maye and Campbell stay healthy, and there's a ton of upside with the improved weapons and line.

 

[BobDigital]

While i do enjoy talking about W/L totals i made no secret that my main hope for this year was for Maye/this team to get playoff experience. At least one.. hopefully 2 games. As long as they do that i am happy if they sneak in at 9-8 or get a high seed somehow at 11-6.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

While i do enjoy talking about W/L totals i made no secret that my main hope for this year was for Maye/this team to get playoff experience. At least one.. hopefully 2 games. As long as they do that i am happy if they sneak in at 9-8 or get a high seed somehow at 11-6.

Agree and I think MV is definitely planning on making the playoffs. Gotta get 10 wins to make it I think.

 

[n1997y]

I can't believe we are figuring Vrabel's demise already.

Well, for all the noise he hasn’t shown anything on the field yet.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Vegas has now changed the Over/Under for the Patriots to 8.5.

For the 2025 NFL season, the Patriots win total sits at 8.5 wins at the BetMGM online sportsbook.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Well, for all the noise he hasn’t shown anything on the field yet.

Sounds like you should go bet the under.