If this draft is the work of Eliot Wolf’s grading system then

[FredFromDartmouth]

It may be that Wolf works best as an underling. That is not at all necessarily a knock: many people are like that, and they are needed. It may be that that that little punkass smirk of his makes it so I can never love him, punchable as he is, but i guess I can relent a little.

I object to this rude and offensive comment. This is way over the top. This is football we are talking about, a game, not real life. It is supposed to be entertainment

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

And right now, this looks to be an excellent draft; the Patriots are back to being a respectable team, maybe not a top team, but no longer the laughing stock it was. The Wolf system may be in play here and it seems to work.

 

[TomPatriot]

I think this the work of the system that Vrabel and Cowden brought in. Not Wolf.

Wolf's body of work is atrocious.

Maybe, but he did overhaul the grading system after Bill left. It took a year to implement because scouting for 2024 was already completed. Regardless, Vrabel and Cowden have done a very nice job with these picks so far.

 

[Huckleberry1]

We've heard rumors and inferences from Wolf that Mayo didn't have a vision nor knew what kind of player he wanted in his program. That left the personnel dept left to it's own devices. We saw the results.

This is why i'm stopping short on the, "Wolf Sucks" narrative. A good GM/personnel guy needs input from the coach on what kind of player to target. That increases the odds of success the player will do well here.

We can speculate if they are using Wolf's "grading system" or not but there is no question each player chosen or signed in FA is a guy Vrabel has vetted (to varying levels) and has signed off on that player being part of his program.

Agree completely. It was clear from the moment Vrabel took over as to the team he wanted to build, and having identified the kind of team he wanted gave them great clarity in the types of players he wanted to bring in. At no point was that ever clear from Mayo, instead it was “ we would like to get some good players to play good football….”

As far as Wolf’s grading system goes, I’m not sure if they used that, or if they created a new one based off of the input from all 4 of them, and I would guess it’s more the latter. And one of the most impressive things about them on day 2 was their patience. From the beginning of round 2 I kept wanting them to trade up to get certain players, and they just stayed put and got them anyways. I got frustrated by the end of round 3, when they kept trading back, but they were right, got the best center in the draft, and added picks in the 5th, which now looks really good. Once again, great job.

 

[TomPatriot]

We were the Slowest Offense in 24; we had no Player who could take it the Distance unless we want Maye go out on a stretcher. Love the the Henderson and Williams picks.

Idk about Williams. And I mean that literally. If he is fast, can get separation and do everything else adequately, I’m good. We’ll see.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Agree completely. It was clear from the moment Vrabel took over as to the team he wanted to build, and having identified the kind of team he wanted gave them great clarity in the types of players he wanted to bring in. At no point was that ever clear from Mayo, instead it was “ we would like to get some good players to play good football….”

As far as Wolf’s grading system goes, I’m not sure if they used that, or if they created a new one based off of the input from all 4 of them, and I would guess it’s more the latter. And one of the most impressive things about them on day 2 was their patience. From the beginning of round 2 I kept wanting them to trade up to get certain players, and they just stayed put and got them anyways. I got frustrated by the end of round 3, when they kept trading back, but they were right, got the best center in the draft, and added picks in the 5th, which now looks really good. Once again, great job.

Yep. There are all kinds of reasons teams move back.There may have been a player they wanted but was chosen the pick before. Who knows. I'm not going to knock them on it.

 

[Thelonious]

I object to this rude and offensive comment. This is way over the top. This is football we are talking about, a game, not real life. It is supposed to be entertainment

Here is my post: "t may be that Wolf works best as an underling. That is not at all necessarily a knock: many people are like that, and they are needed. It may be that that that little punkass smirk of his makes it so I can never love him, punchable as he is, but i guess I can relent a little."

Note: "That is not at all necessarily a knock: many people are like that, and they are needed." That is at least qualified praise.

You like his smirk, apparently. I don't. De gustibus non est disputandum.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Idk about Williams. And I mean that literally. If he is fast, can get separation and do everything else adequately, I’m good. We’ll see.

Steve Smith saying Williams reminds him of him is all I need. That’s exactly the kind of player you want on your team. Make your opponents have to “ ICE UP.”

 

[signbabybrady]

What is the correct term for these little looping video things which are becoming all the rage? I mean, if I'm going to mock them, I ought at least to know what they are called.

Stick with Little looping videos it sounds right for you.

 

[BTTA]

They have been hitting the off-season prioritized shopping list with absolute precision.

Next question is can they play. Not all of their FA or draft choices will pan out but you can't argue with the needs and their efforts to address them.

It's really all you can hope for.

Your posts in this thread are spot on (extra cup of coffee this morning?).
I'd modify the above with "most FA and draft choices don't pan out" because we fans tend to completely lose touch with the percentages on player acquisition successes, especially on draft picks. We think we are shopping at Gucci but in reality it is a big box store. The draft hype industry is a truly American business success story.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Are we really crediting a grading system for valuing the best LT, a fast/good blocking RB, a fast WR and the best C in the draft? What about those picks suggest that the scouts are looking for things other than they used to?

Maybe it accounts for the WR, but let's see how good he ends up being before we go all crazy for the new system.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Steve Smith saying Williams reminds him of him is all I need. That’s exactly the kind of player you want on your team. Make your opponents have to “ ICE UP.”

This may be a wet dream but watching his highlights reminded me of Deion Branch.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Your posts in this thread are spot on (extra cup of coffee this morning?).
I'd modify the above with "most FA and draft choices don't pan out" because we fans tend to completely lose touch with the percentages on player acquisition successes, especially on draft picks. We think we are shopping at Gucci but in reality it is a big box store. The draft hype industry is a truly American business success story.

Dog threw up at 430am so yea.....on my 4th cup. Brain was working early

Fair point on the FAs/picks don't work out. History tells us 1st rd picks above 15th overall are career starters 50% of the time. 15-32 <50-35%.

2nd rd- 35-25%
3rd rd 25-20%
4-7 20- <1%

 

[Huckleberry1]

This may be a wet dream but watching his highlights reminded me of Deion Branch.

As long as he has the Steve Smith nasty in him I’m more than fine with that.

 

[RobertWeathers]

If you can run the ball it opens up everything else. He doesn't have Derrick Henry's size but who does... This league is above strength speed and skill

As long as the line is decent, is healthy and he doesn't fumble, Rham is a quality NFL RB. I have no issues with him but he is limited. Gibson is a quality runner as well. Runs hard.

Henderson brings with him a whole different dimension.

With Maye running this unit could be a top 5 in rushing yards.

 

[signbabybrady]

This may be a wet dream but watching his highlights reminded me of Deion Branch.

I saw the same thing and posted it in the WR depth thread.

 

[maust]

Are we really crediting a grading system for valuing the best LT, a fast/good blocking RB, a fast WR and the best C in the draft? What about those picks suggest that the scouts are looking for things other than they used to?

Maybe it accounts for the WR, but let's see how good he ends up being before we go all crazy for the new system.

 

[BTTA]

Dog threw up at 430am so yea.....on my 4th cup. Brain was working early

Fair point on the FAs/picks don't work out. History tells us 1st rd picks above 15th overall are career starters 50% of the time. 15-32 <50-35%.

2nd rd- 35-25%
3rd rd 25-20%
4-7 20- <1%

Regarding dogs and gross things, the real issue isn't if, it is where.

That stat for day three of the draft is so sobering. I had better odds of taking the prom queen to the big dance.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Are we really crediting a grading system for valuing the best LT, a fast/good blocking RB, a fast WR and the best C in the draft? What about those picks suggest that the scouts are looking for things other than they used to?

Maybe it accounts for the WR, but let's see how good he ends up being before we go all crazy for the new system.

The difference is that they actually picked them, instead of leaving us scratching our heads and saying what the **** the morning after. You know, like N’Jeal Harry instead of Deebo Samuel, or Cole Strange instead of Breece Hall, or last year’s favorite example, Jaylin Polk instead of Ladd McConkey.

This year they got it right, enjoy that for a moment, it hasn’t been happening that much around here recently.

 

[Steve102]

What is the correct term for these little looping video things which are becoming all the rage? I mean, if I'm going to mock them, I ought at least to know what they are called.

GIFs.

Clearly you lack the subtlety to pick a gif that best suits a mood or thought to convey a message. For instance:

Here’s one that suits what the rest of us might think you look like when you’re forced to interact with the rest of us.