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Travis Hunter has top 10ish potential at WR with a decent chance to break the top 5-8. I'm listing him at wr for a variety of reasons but there are three obvious reasons that can't be argued.
A)The NEP have been one of the worst teams in recent memory when it comes to drafting and developing wrs. Our wr corp is beyond lacking even with Diggs. Hunter is an immediate starter at arguably our biggest need.
B)Hunter's best trait is probably his ball skills. Where can you maximize those skills the most? At wr where he'll see 120-150 targets or cb where he'll see maybe 25 of those opportunities to showcase those skills. We have a legit top 3 CB in Gonzo and I've always been big Davis and MJJ fans. I don't see a real debate where he's most valuable here, for us.
C)Lastly and most importantly. We have a QB that's ready to roll NOW. Not next year, possibly by week 10. We have a potential top 10ish QB that is ready NOW. We don't need to go into details on the importance of the wr position (easily 2nd or 3rd most important position on the field in 2025) and how much they can help young QBs do we??
Hunter is an immediate starter at Z, slot with the ability to be a "speed" X like a Hill, by the end of his rookie deal. Hunter played the majority of his snaps outside, most at X I believe. To keep things as simple as possible considering he spent more time in db meetings than wr ones.
He has tremendous instincts for the position and how to attack defensive tendencies. Whether it's zone or man or some variation. It really doesn't matter. He's simply too quick and has plus plus processing skills for zone. Way too many people are concerned about beating press/man when it comes to college wr prospects. Most NFL defenses play zone on 2/3 downs. His tempo, spatial awareness and quicks are zone killers. Not to mention his instincts and processing. Hunter is very, very smart and more importantly he thinks quick in the moment. He'll relocate to different spaces in zone, again mind works so quick he knows where the soft spots are and where the help is. He displays plus route stems and an understanding of how to attack leverage, angles against man. His footwork is very efficient and effective. He's an extremely tough cover 1v1 but too many focus on man imo. It's important but I think how a wr wins against zone coverage is extremely underrated. You watch his movements and he's rarely going 100mph. Just a great feel for when to use his tempo. Hunter's hands and tracking ability are out of this world. He's the best 50/50 ball wr in the draft and has outstanding tracking abilities. Can catch, pluck the ball through contact as we've all seen him do to bail out Sanders. Ball skills are top tier. One of the best at the catch point/high pointing the ball over the last 5 years. When he was allowed to run actual routes he displayed very efficient footwork, nuance, suddenness and separation. They did him no favors when it comes to rr but he's a very good. He'll block his butt off. Has plenty of yac to his game. Can win at all three levels. Have to say it again but his hand-eye coordination is special. Plus agility and general awareness on the field. Has to work on getting in/out of his breaks more quickly and more efficiently. He'll round out a lot of stuff. Doesn't have elite speed but covers a lot of that up with his tempo, pacing and smarts.
I could go on but there's a word limit. Last thing I'll say is kinda obvious. He's a gamer, he's a dude. It's one thing to say something or think something. It's another to play 1500 snaps in Colorado half the time. Hunter is a beast that doesn't take plays off, he's physical and all about the team. Hes made outstanding strides at both cb and wr. That speaks volumes about the young man. He would be wr1 here by years end (with or without Diggs) and for years to come.

He's not a prototype wr Vrabel and the front office have genuinely gone for. I know he's got tremendous cb skills but I don't see a world where he's as valuable at cb compared to wr for us. And I don't believe he'll be a two-way player for long. He'll absolutely play both sides early on but after a year or two I see him at one spot. I would play him at WR and have him play 20-25 snaps a game at cb. The opposite of what a lot of people are saying. Specifically on 1st & 2nd down when teams are playing zone. That's where he's at his best at cb. Using his eyes, instincts and ball skills. I'd much rather have a guy with a 95/1300/8 with 2-5 INTS. As opposed to a CB with 4-8 INTS and like 600-700 yards at wr.

Tetairoa McMillan was the number 1 prospect I was watching for us last year. I mentioned a certain prospect I was looking at and it was Tet more than anyone else for obvious reasons (give Maye a running partner)
He still has some maturity issues which makes him a tough pick for Vrabel (or does it, Mike will accept a little immaturity if you're producing) but you can't ignore his size, skillset and what he could do for us right now. Again not next year or by week 12, game 1 in Sept 2025, he'll be an impact player.
Highly productive prospect with almost 2800 yards, 20 TD and 16 per rec over the last two years. Incredible size at 6'4/215-220 (i believe he'll be around 215ish as a pro) with superb body control and plus speed (4.4-4.5 ish) for someone his size. He also hit just under 21mph when he was tracked. Very comfortable adjusting at underneath routes in terms of spacing, timing and putting himself in the best position to take off after the catch. Is also pre-scanning the field, uses his stride length and big body to explode once he catches the ball. Looks like an X and possibly could be a good one but is a natural big slot/Z. Has to clean up his los work, only uses a few releases but is surprisingly good against press if you watched him. He needs a mentor in that sense. I think a guy like Diggs would be great to help him clean up some stuff there. He can play a little of each year 1 depending on the matchup. Dominant in the air, at the catch point and using his body to contort or shield off defenders. Volleyball background is clearly evident from 4-step timing he uses on his jumps. Plus agility and body control in the air, on the ground. Plus catch radius. Much better working horizontal as opposed to vertical as of now but hes super comfortable working the deep intermediate areas for 15-25 chunk plays. Not a classic yac guy at all but he can make it happen with underneath routes. His play near the boundary needs work in terms of "getting there" like his route stems when working off the line but once he's there. He'll make it happen. Route tree is actually really good. Very comfortable, more comfortable in zone which again is more important than people realize considering all the zone NFL defenses play. I don't think he's quite as cerebral as Hunter but he's good at finding the soft spots on different levels of zone. He's very good against press, doubled as much if not more than any other college wr, can win at all 3 levels, produced right away as a FO and only got better and gives you an immediate alpha on the field. He's got a high floor to begin with. You clean up his los work - some stem work pertaining to the boundary his efficiency there etc. I his ceiling is a lot higher. So much has been written about McMillan but I believe he's got top 10-15 potential and could be a WR1.












Tre Harris is someone I would consider with our second pick even if we got Hunter (unlikely) or Tet. Diggs will be 32 coming off an acl by years end. Obviously hoping for the best you simply can't depend on only him going forward with the picks and money we have. I love his ability again man/press. He's certainly not a finished product but he's got a variety of releases, is physical, uses timing, shoulder dips and a lot of other good stuff to win. He understands what's in front of him and has a bag he can reach in for different occasions. Sets up his routes with plus stems that attack leverage, blind spots and angles. Uses head/shoulder fakes, tempo and stride length to his advantage. Definitely has a good amount of nuance to his game. Constantly got better at tracking, catch point, catching through contact and adjusting in air. Plus hands, late hands, strong hands. Played in a typical hs/college offense that limited routes, wrs to one side and had a QB that wasn't always the most calm under pressure. He got a lot of potential and room for improvement when it comes to routes he can and should be running. He's a dude that isn't going to be impeded without real force and physicality. Will block his butt off and and brings the alpha attitude you want. Smart guy that puts thought into what's in front of him pre/post snap and how to make it easy on himself. A lot of productivity against poor teams but stepped it up against the best comp as well when he had to. He's old and been injured. Has to improve coming out his breaks and clean up his los footwork, too inefficient at times. Play speed isn't always where it should be vs zone/mof.
I think he's going to be a very good in the Z/X role. Opposite a guy like Diggs or McMillan tbh. I think he's a more natural X but can play anywhere outside and would thrive next to a good flanker/slot. Lets not forget if Harris didn't get miss games (still had over 1K yards) he would have a historic season under his belt and absolutely would be talked about going early round 1.


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Matthew Golden is a Texas native who was a quite the hs baller (3242 YDS /32 TD) with a pretty serious track & field background (10.93 / 100M, 21.85 long jump).
One of if not my favorite thing about Golden is his rr ability, stems setting up his routes, top of route, fakes etc but he needs to run everything fast! He doesnt always use that speed at top gear or even close to it and at times is too casual running his routes. When he does, he uses tempo, pacing and has different gears to switch it up on defenders but he has to run all routes at top speed. Everyone knows he's not a real 4.29 guy on the field (or even timed) but hes got to be more consistent with selling his routes. Like he's fast on the field but it doesn't show up to that degree in terms of play speed or tracking speed (never broke 20mph in game??) or just looking at other wrs running the same routes. I don't see a guy that moves much faster than say Hunter on the field for example. And hes not comparable to NFL guys like Hill, Williams etc in terms of play speed. Again he's very fast though. It's not like he's Thornton or Josh Boyce. Fast guys who can't utilize that speed to save their lives once you put pads on. I love guys that run every route with a certain fierceness and he does for the most part, just not enough. He runs a full route tree and for the most part runs everything fast, crisp and is pretty clean out his breaks. Stems are on point but he's very good, better at the top of his routes. This is where he kind of separates from the pack imo. Plus with his stem(s) and top of the route but needs to really run everything a bit more focused and controlled. Hes got a lot of potential to be a plus rr on Sundays with more effort, consistency and experience. Accelerates and decelerates with little to no wasted movements. Pretty decent release package. Mostly using his quicks with hesi/stutter moves as opposed to technique but thats something he can improve considering his floor there. Good catch radius for his size. Has to improve his hands and playing through physical corners though. Has to play faster initially off the los. Plus cod skills - hes agile and smooth in his movements. Good body control. Improved in several key areas including drops (still very much a problem but I care about drops the least in almost all cases if I'm being honest) , tracking and high pointing the ball. He needs to get a little tougher catching through contact for sure but he's improved. Physicality gives him issues off the line and catch point. He can't block for ****. His effort is usually pretty good but he's not a killer by any means. He has to seriously improve there. If you can't block it limits so much in terms of usage, play calling and what type of team goes for you. Like you're not to see significant reps in the slot where you can really do damage with his speed. Nobody has anything bad to say about him from coaches to players and everyone in-between. High character guy. Can be useful on ST. Will be a 22 yo rookie with terrible production in college. Isn't going to make a lot of guys miss with athleticism. He couldn't beat out or out-produce guys that will never play on Sundays. He's a huge risk when it comes to analytics and that stuff. Which does matter to an extent. He's not a "one hit wonder" he's a "6-8 game wonder" if we're being honest. That said he did show up in some big games. You're betting a lot of how you feel about him off a few games which is scary for WR in general and where he'll likely go. Ideal Z to complement a physical X with the ability to play more as he gets stronger and learns how to sustain blocks.
 
Emeka Egbuka is a Washington native with some baseball in his background pertaining to sports. Smart young kid who was a legit top 5-10 recruit. Scored 25 TD in one year in hs.

He's a pros pro when it comes to timing, precision and being in the right spot at the right time. One of the better wr/rr in the class vs zone. He's never arriving too fast or too late. Always knows where hes going and how to work to get there. Always on the same page as his QB. Extremely efficient and effective footwork through traffic and runs everything to make it look the same. Whether it's a slant, in-breaking or speed out. Hes focused, knows the assignment to a T. He smooth, fluid and snaps his hips at the last possible second. Plus hips very loose. Plays with late hands, small eyes. No advertising when the ball is coming to him. Route stems are on point he can get under a cb wing and split away so quick. He has cbs constantly on a swivel. I don't want to say "slot only" bc I do think he can play some Z bc his tracking ability is so good. Plus tracking, concentration, awareness and hand-eye coordination along the boundary. That said he can run pretty much everything out of the slot - vertical, out-breaking, option routes. He can threaten almost every part of the field to an extent even if he's not a traditional boundary receiver. One of if not the best blocking wr in the class. He gets after it. Sustains, seals, is aggressive and more importantly he knows how crucial it is to winning, chemistry etc Always thinking about what's next when it comes to setting up his yac whether he's out of the slot of not. Very productive player at one of the better wr schools in recent memory. He was able to stand out among multiple 1st rounders. Physical, long corners will give him issues outside where space is limited. Injuries have limited him. Hes someone who might seem limited probably always will be bc he just doesn't have long speed but he's got so few real weaknesses. I think you can play him sparingly outside bc he is physical, smart and savvy. He'll contribute in different phases, never have to come the field and plays tough. He's taken some big hits he knew was coming and it doesn't intimate him. He's a baller that understands what it takes to win. Robert Woods / JSN type that should be playing a long time if he gets lucky with injuries.
 
Luther Burden III is a St Louis native who like Emeka Egbuka, was big time recruit (top 10) coming out. Like Egbuka he's very dangerous after the catch. Maybe a little more juice, play speed than Egbuka. He's a little better when it comes to stacking his man and about the same when it comes to tracking the ball. Both are underrated in those aspects. Missouri's offense and QB situation was pretty rough at times so theres a big upside in terms of his potential usage in a real NFL offense. He's extremely tough to tackle and get hands on. He'll run around, past and through you after the catch. He's Deebo-like in that sense and has some rush attempts bc of those skills. I do think he has a lot of upside playing outside. College offenses have changed so much you really have to know what to look for when scouting WR's, pass rushers and tackles. Those three positions have changed so much in terms of what they're tasked with doing and why. Missouri's offense or passing game was basically get the ball in LBIII hands as quickly as possible so again you have to know what to look for when it comes to projection. LBIII can definitely win at the los with a combination of quicks and hands. He knows exactly how to attack a cb leverage. He can sink and separate. Uses pacing, tempo to set up cbs. You'll just be trying him out outside against the best competition in the world so you've got to make sure you pick his spots on game day and develop him during the week. Which can be a problem bc like Pierce, Nolen and a few others he's not a guy that has shown he'll buy in during the week. He's pretty much gone during the week. Isn't a hard worker in that respect. Not so much a mouthy guy buy again like Walter Nolen. He just doesn't his own thing and football isn't on his mind 25/8. You'll need someone to get through to him and buy in. He won't be able to get away with that during the week. Also his gf is his manager and both her and mom have shown up to the facility unwanted or called for multiple times. I don't think either was escorted out or anything like that but many coaches and players asked out loud "why are they here ... I wouldn't be allowed to have my gf or so & so here" Again that won't fly next level. Isn't interested in blocking which again is a big red flag if you want to play slot and might be limited outside. Will take off plays when he's not the primary target. Does have ST abilities on punt returns. You see it clearly anytime the ball is in his hands. He's a threat to make something happen once he's got the ball. Plus play speed and strength. Most of his targets were inside 10-15 yards. Despite the fact that he isn't a Monday - Saturday guy he's got a high compete level. He's very competitive and plays like something is on the line for the most part. He's just not someone who will clear out space for his teammates or turn heads when he's not targeted. Again he'll need a real coach or mentor to reach his potential. Or he'll fall into the 3rd/4th round and get a real wakeup call in terms of what he was expecting from a contract standpoint
 
Jack Bech was a pretty highly recruited kid out of Lafayette Louisiana. Offers from Vandy, TCU, Texas, ND, LSU and other big names. Committed to Vandy before switching to LSU. He actually out-produced guys like Nabers and Thomas early on.

No wasted movements. Off the line, stem, top of his routes, securing rec and taking off. Bech is very calculated and efficient with everything he does. Wins of the los by using a simple jab with very few variations off the line. Combined with aggressiveness and hand swats. Attacks opponents hips and body more than angles and blind spots. You'll see a lot of the same at the top of his routes too but with more body control and physicality to shield off defenders. Small forward body but plays like a power forward. Former TE and played a ton of X in college as well. So he brings that attitude to every game. Nothing super fancy. Definition of "done is better than pretty" in pretty all phases. Very quick and creates powerful burst out his breaks. Very physical all around but could use more physicality when blocking although he's not terrible. Hes not good but the signs are there to improve. Its more technical stuff than "want to." Has to improve his hand fighting and initial hand placement more than anything. Esp next level thats a lose every time with NFL defenders. Plus ball skills and tracking ability but he occasionally will get a bit too aggressive or out of control at times. He'll never out-run anyone for the most part but he's epitome of "quicker than fast." He won't be stacking many guys. Always runs away from coverage and easily finds sweet spots against zone. He's not overwhelmed if there's traffic and bodies in front of him. He'll move to the second level of zone coverage is he has to. Most likely strictly a power slot but can stretch the field with vertical stuff - corner/post and is one of the better guys in the class when it comes to double moves. Long speed isn't there but makes up for it with physicality, taking good angles and is always running full speed once the ball arrives for yac. Tough guy that will never just go down.
 
Kyle Williams is from Baltimore and played hs ball in CA. Has experience at several different positions like cb, wr, qb and returner.

One of the better prospects you'll see against press bc of his suddenness, footwork and initial burst. He's the guy that will never win a race against guys in practice but his game speed is always plus. His first few steps are very quick and powerful. Plus acceleration, twitched up. Love his ability to create big plays next level even if other parts of his game are lacking. He's a great tracker with a big play mindset (17 y/r) Will maneuver and adjust on the fly without losing speed. Can stack and track. One of the better rr in the class against man/zone. Whether it's vertical stuff, running away from zone coverage. He's a very savvy rr with a good understanding of what's in front of him. This might sound like words but so many pass rushers, wrs etc don't naturally understand different types of blocks or coverage right away. You don't know you can't properly use the right tools. Versatility jumps out at me. He might never be the surest handed slot guy but his ability to get vertical in a hurry will be a nightmare for S/LB in 3 wr sets. WR2 ceiling if his blocking improves. He need a lot of work there but *if* he improves he could be a starter. His footwork, once he's off the los could be more efficient. He'll round, drift and just find himself a little out place at times. Vision and timing could improve on some of his underneath routes vs zone coverage. Release package is plus but he has to get stronger next level. CBs are too big, long and just as fast. This along with his blocking are his biggest obstacles. Once a guy gets his hands on him he's going to have serious trouble adjusting. He's going to have to fight through contact a lot more.
 
After school I'm writing up Noel & Higgins. I know someone asked me about them a few weeks ago over PM. If there's anyone else you want to hear my thoughts on lmk.
Appreciate your detailed breakdowns.

Savion Williams is someone that I've been intrigued by for us. If you have any thoughts I'd love to hear them.
 
Kyle Williams is from Baltimore and played hs ball in CA. Has experience at several different positions like cb, wr, qb and returner.

One of the better prospects you'll see against press bc of his suddenness, footwork and initial burst. He's the guy that will never win a race against guys in practice but his game speed is always plus. His first few steps are very quick and powerful. Plus acceleration, twitched up. Love his ability to create big plays next level even if other parts of his game are lacking. He's a great tracker with a big play mindset (17 y/r) Will maneuver and adjust on the fly without losing speed. Can stack and track. One of the better rr in the class against man/zone. Whether it's vertical stuff, running away from zone coverage. He's a very savvy rr with a good understanding of what's in front of him. This might sound like words but so many pass rushers, wrs etc don't naturally understand different types of blocks or coverage right away. You don't know you can't properly use the right tools. Versatility jumps out at me. He might never be the surest handed slot guy but his ability to get vertical in a hurry will be a nightmare for S/LB in 3 wr sets. WR2 ceiling if his blocking improves. He need a lot of work there but *if* he improves he could be a starter. His footwork, once he's off the los could be more efficient. He'll round, drift and just find himself a little out place at times. Vision and timing could improve on some of his underneath routes vs zone coverage. Release package is plus but he has to get stronger next level. CBs are too big, long and just as fast. This along with his blocking are his biggest obstacles. Once a guy gets his hands on him he's going to have serious trouble adjusting. He's going to have to fight through contact a lot more.
 
There's definitely some fatigue with Tet. It's ignoring the obvious but we'll see what happens. He has a high grade from me.

I think there's a good chance he's a top 50 pick.
Top 50 huh?

I repeat
 
Appreciate your detailed breakdowns.

Savion Williams is someone that I've been intrigued by for us. If you have any thoughts I'd love to hear them.
Man, this year's Laviska, huh? Not as physical taking on defenders, Shenault was one of the more physical prospects I've watched but yes Williams is an absolute dog. Can we afford that pick though?

He was a wild one to watch. First things first. You'll have to teach him, if you really want to really convert him to WR. He's twitched up, w/e you want to call it. He's explosive, jumps out at you and was clocked at 22mph I believe or something very close to that #. Straight line speed is legit but he's also got lateral quicks and obviously plus cod (change of direction). Racked up almost 45 missed tackles at 6'4/220. He's cleary a guy that can play in the NFL if he's really committed.

Release package is obviously in a plus category overall but you'll have to develop his hands and he'll have to get more physical there. Thats very coachable he hasn't faced any "NFL" press and those areas will need to be developed but he's got what it takes. You'll have his footwork but thats not that bad just not super efficient. He cleans up his footwork off the line and top of his route and turn him into a real blocker and he could be a solid WR3 with small upside as a WR2. He's a demon with the ball in his hands. Give him the rock and let him go but he's got to be more physical and develop his hands there to. He doesn't always have the best accuracy when he's making contact with his man. If you came up with a top 20 rec of guys in the draft he's got like 3-4 if not more. He's ON there. He'll also drop easy ones. He doesn't trust himself enough. That's why "jumps" a lot when rec the ball. Truth be told A LOT of NFL players do the same. It is what it is. Look as long as he catches the F ball right? Not all guys are perfect you live with good and focus on that MORE than the bad. He's a demon though he can absolutely move and accelerate. Like guys don't catch up to him and I think he'll bring that ridiculous game speed next level. Vertical stuff, curls, slants, hitches. He should be able to do it next level. He has to become a mean blocker though bc you want to keep his versatility a strong point. So he won't be able to "line up anywhere" if he can't block everywhere. I have a high 3rd on him.

I don't know how this rec corp will shake out in real time. We don't know how Polk and Baker respond. I'll always take Diggs in a heart beat but is he at 80%? I'll take that and smile. 70% game 1? 80% by the end of year? Sure. There's questions there so how much time do we really have with this guy? I like him a lot though it's hard not to but he needs work.
 
I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on three late round guys I like, JaCorey Brooks, Nick Nash and Chimere Dike
Nick Nash is one of those crazy draft stories we hear about every year. Most never work. He's such an odd case bc of age and position change. udfa type for him and Dike.

I'd spend a 5th-7th on Brooks if I was a team that needed help at wr. Easter ill try to expand more on these 3 later.
 
TRAVIS HUNTER
TETAIROA MCMILLAN
MATTHEW GOLDEN
TRE HARRIS
JAYLIN NOEL
JAYDEN HIGGINS
JALEN ROYALS
KYLE WILLIAMS
XAVIER RESTREPO
ARIAN SMITH
TAI FELTON
TEZ JOHNSON
KEANDRE LAMBERT-SMITH
PAT BRYANT
ISAAC TESLAA


starting the ptp in a few hours but this is what I have for wrs so far

on or off??
 
James Foster compared Arian Smith to Garrett Wilson wearing oven mitts which may be my favourite comp of the whole cycle.
 
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TRAVIS HUNTER
TETAIROA MCMILLAN
MATTHEW GOLDEN
TRE HARRIS
JAYLIN NOEL
JAYDEN HIGGINS
JALEN ROYALS
KYLE WILLIAMS
XAVIER RESTREPO
ARIAN SMITH
TAI FELTON
TEZ JOHNSON
KEANDRE LAMBERT-SMITH
PAT BRYANT
ISAAC TESLAA


starting the ptp in a few hours but this is what I have for wrs so far

on or off??
So you're not high on Ayomanor or Tory Horton?
 
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