Patriots Player Departure BREAKING: Joe Milton traded to Dallas

[imahobgoblin]

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Vrabel said it himself. They are not running "Josh's offense" from when he was here but an evolution of it.

I'm sure they'll be EP concepts in it but pure terminology standpoint it won't be. Josh said this today.

It will be the EP system. There is nothing pure or impure about it. Adding concepts, changing terms, adapting to players does not change the system. Those who claim it does have no idea what they are talking about. Josh is not changing his system. He said he is changing languages and adaptations, not the system.

 

[TommyD4207]

Vrabel had better be right about Maye.

Milton takes that Cowboys job by the end of 2026, book it.

 

[Pape]

This is a phony rumor. There is just no way the patriots sell an asset for less than someone else is willing to pay. It would be grounds for firing.

i could see Vrabel saying "nah" to the giants... he was part of that '07 team...

 

[The Gr8est]

Vrabel had better be right about Maye.

Milton takes that Cowboys job by the end of 2026, book it.

I think he might.

Dan Prescott is not a monumental obstacle,

A hugely overpaid obstacle,

But not an otherwise monumental obstacle.

 

[RobertWeathers]

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It will be the EP system. There is nothing pure or impure about it. Adding concepts, changing terms, adapting to players does not change the system. Those who claim it does have no idea what they are talking about. Josh is not changing his system. He said he is changing languages and adaptations, not the system.

I guess Vrabel is wrong then.

I think you misunderstood what they said.

 

[imahobgoblin]

Whatever you think of Milton, he was very very exciting to watch.
I can understand why he wants a chance to play.
My question is why did they draft him, after drafting Maye?

Ugh, will you get it through your thick head that Josh is running a different system than the West Coast adaptation from last year? Drake can playi n the West Coast and the Erhardt-Perkins systems. You have to be more than just an athlete to run the EP. You have to have the ability to get to the line of scrimmage, diagnose the defense, and adjust the concept. Joe never had to do that in college and Joe could never do it in college or the NFL. He wins on athleticism and arm strength. Teams like the Cowboys can get away with that. Teams with Josh as OC cannot. Josh was not the OC last year so Milton was drafted for his raw athleticism in the West Coast offense. They wanted a natural backup. He no longer fits.

 

[TinhWoodhead]

They traded him bc he won the last game

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Stupid Elliot Wolf non sense
He sucks at trades
Just keep the guy with unlimited ceiling for another year
5th rounder is nothing

Wolf is a big zero
They basically got back the 6th they used on Milton
Asinine

Who says it was Wolf? In fact I am pretty sure it was not him. This idiotic move has signature of an amateur playing Madden, i.e. ownership. Only they could be so stupid as to make this trade. It looks like Kraft is up to his old meddling ways and we are in for another horrifically bad draft

 

[TommyD4207]

I guess Vrabel is wrong then.

I think you misunderstood what they said.

We get to find out - the beauty of sports, all questions answered on the field.

Vrabel's 'at least he's not Mayo' honeymoon period is over with this one. This was a big boy decision on someone they had contractual control of for 2 more years.

So Vrabel: 1) Thinks Maye is the no-doubt QB of the next decade
2) Thought Joe Milton not falling in line, and actually wanting to compete for the job was enough to get him off the team.

He had *better* be right. Vrabel's thoughts mirror the thoughts of most people on the board.

-If Maye has concussion issues going forward, then yes, I'm perfectly within my right to hold that against Vrabel, and so is everyone else, because it won't be a surprise or secret, we all saw it ourselves.

-If Maye doesn't develop into that franchise QB, that's on Vrabel too. What he's saying with this move, is that it was all coaching holding Maye back. We need to be honest about what people *actually did on the field* and not our internal narratives, or projection potential. Vrabel is putting a lot on the shoulders of a guy that has exactly one NFL win, and more turnovers than touchdowns.

 

[UGAPatsfan]

The scuttlebutt is Milton didn’t feel like Maye was better than him and wanted to compete for QB1. That was never happening here. So you really had to move him

 

[TommyD4207]

The scuttlebutt is Milton didn’t feel like Maye was better than him and wanted to compete for QB1. That was never happening here. So you really had to move him

Now Maye needs to prove that on the field. Like, you're right, unless you're letting him compete for the starting job, you need to move him. There's nothing wrong with Milton thinking Maye isn't better than him, because let's be honest, he hasn't shown that he is yet a) and b) you'd much rather have someone feel that way, than say 'I'm happy to hold a surface tablet for 10 years'

Because in all honesty, he hasn't yet. Maye projects like he will, but dealing in objective reality instead of our collective fandom feefees will serve us well going forward.

This is a big-boy decision from Vrabel. People are going to forget and move on from it, but this is one he didn't have to make now - and he did, so he'd better be right.

 

[mgteich]

You would think Jerry Jones could do the Pats a solid and up their offer to what the Pats turned down to take the Dallas offer, or do solids only go one way?

Doing a player a kindness has little to do with how teams treat each other.

 

[mgteich]

Whatever you think of Milton, he was very very exciting to watch.
I can understand why he wants a chance to play.
My question is why did they draft him, after drafting Maye?

because the last regime wanted to develop him to be a #2 QB.

This one has Dobbs and will likely use the pick to draft Vrabel's #3.
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This is certainly not a big deal to me. Vrabel probably wants a #3 QB, and he would rather choose his own. He secured an extra pick tjhat could do that (or use a 5th or 7th).

Also, it makes sense to add a 6th before the draft since we didn't have one.

 

[Grogan14]

Ugh, will you get it through your thick head that Josh is running a different system than the West Coast adaptation from last year? Drake can playi n the West Coast and the Erhardt-Perkins systems. You have to be more than just an athlete to run the EP. You have to have the ability to get to the line of scrimmage, diagnose the defense, and adjust the concept. Joe never had to do that in college and Joe could never do it in college or the NFL. He wins on athleticism and arm strength. Teams like the Cowboys can get away with that. Teams with Josh as OC cannot. Josh was not the OC last year so Milton was drafted for his raw athleticism in the West Coast offense. They wanted a natural backup. He no longer

because the last regime wanted to develop him to be a #2 QB.

This one has Dobbs and will likely use the pick to draft Vrabel's #3.

Fair enough. Good answer

 

[TommyD4207]

because the last regime wanted to develop him to be a #2 QB.

This one has Dobbs and will likely use the pick to draft Vrabel's #3.

I disagree, unless they take someone with their last pick. Wasting draft capital on the QB position in this draft is insane.

 

[Grogan14]

The scuttlebutt is Milton didn’t feel like Maye was better than him and wanted to compete for QB1. That was never happening here. So you really had to move him

Its not unreasonable he might have felt this way based on his performance in the last game.
I like watching him play. He is dynamic, tough and a gunslinger.

 

[BobDigital]

Should have kept him. I know they brought Dobbs in to be the backup and paid a decent amount for him in hopes to have the ability to trade Milton for something... but this is silly. Considering we gave a 7th back to get pick 174 and Milton was originally picked at 193...

Let's do the Draft value chart... though i don't love the thing... 174 (21.8) for 193 (13.8) and 220 (2.6) or 228 (1) Means we got back between 5.4-7 draft points... which mean really his value went from pick 193 to pick 179 or 177.... So we gained 14 to 16 spots in the draft order.

Frankly they would have been much better off keeping him as the back up. Not paying Dobbs his contract and having the cash to throw around, but maybe because they already paid the money they felt the need to make a move? Keep in mind they had Milton for 1M, 1.2M and 1.4M the next 3 years.... Dobbs cost them 2.9 and 4.75

So overall the next 2 years they paid an additional 5.4 Million in cap to move up from pick 193 to 177/179 and maybe be worse but no better and certainly with less upside at the back up QB position.

Clearly the smart thing to do was to hold on to Milton, not pay another QB to come him... and if and only if he is traded worry about finding a back up then or trading a pick for one after the fact. Clearly it only takes a 7th or low 6th to get a good one.

And here is a fun idea.. imagine if we kept Milton to be the back up. I hope it doesn't happen, but Maye missed a full game or 2 gain in mid season and Milton MAYBE does really well again. Well, he's still on contract the next 2 years and his stock is even higher this time around. But now that's off the table as a possibility. Nothing was saying we needed to trade him this year, if at all. Unfortunately... no way around it, Vrabel fumbled this badly.

 

[Grogan14]

Ugh, will you get it through your thick head that Josh is running a different system than the West Coast adaptation from last year? Drake can playi n the West Coast and the Erhardt-Perkins systems. You have to be more than just an athlete to run the EP. You have to have the ability to get to the line of scrimmage, diagnose the defense, and adjust the concept. Joe never had to do that in college and Joe could never do it in college or the NFL. He wins on athleticism and arm strength. Teams like the Cowboys can get away with that. Teams with Josh as OC cannot. Josh was not the OC last year so Milton was drafted for his raw athleticism in the West Coast offense. They wanted a natural backup. He no longer fits.

Does not mean they had to give him away

 

[imahobgoblin]

I guess Vrabel is wrong then.

I think you misunderstood what they said.

No Vrabel is not wrong. I did not misunderstand what they said. I have called plays as an offensive coordinator for two seasons in a local league. You do not understand the differences between the systems.

 

[Water Boy]

I guess I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan now.