Tetairoa McMillan runs a 4.48-4.55 at Pro Day

[signbabybrady]

Graham didn’t workout, he’s an OLB with a bum foot… I don’t want him and the position is not a need.

Campbell is a blue chip athlete, his measurables were superb. His arm length isn’t ideal for the tackle position but he’s still a blue chip athlete. I don’t necessarily want him because I want them to take a blue chip player at a position of need and I don’t know if he’s better than the next few tackles behind him.

Fans hear somebody say “weak draft” then parrot the same thing over and over… there are always great players to be found.

You apparently don't even know who Graham is and you told me nothing that stood out for Campbell?

Not to mention your talking about drafting for need. And then making fun of me for wanting shiny toys. When the two players I want most are Carter and Hunter who both could be on defense. After that I have decided Tet seems like the best of the rest.

 

[PWRxWLF]

There were question marks by team doctors at the combine, or at least that’s what I read somewhere. If they draft him, then he needs surgery that could be problematic.

Either way, they acquired Landry, have Jennings and signed Chassion… they’re loaded at the OLB position.

I get it. You’re mixing up Graham and Carter. Carter has the messed up foot and plays OLB. Graham is the DT that weighed in light.

 

[Wozzy]

You apparently don't even know who Graham is and you told me nothing that stood out for Campbell?

Sorry. I mixed Graham up with Abdul Carter.

When did I tell you nothing stood out about Will Campbell?

 

[signbabybrady]

Sorry. I mixed Graham up with Abdul Carter.

When did I tell you nothing stood out about Will Campbell?

I asked you too and you did not answer you just called him an athlete but didn't say anything that actually stood out?

 

[WaterfallJumper]

Is it fair to look at the matchup when he was a freshman? Maybe not. But being a rookie in the NFL isn't that much different when you look at the jump in competition. Gonzo was not even remotely challenged. Tet will probably be productive in the NFL as a big slot who's pretty good at getting into zones and using leverage to get open and earn yards after the catch. I think he's like a supersized version of Bourne, and should end up with multiple thousand yard seasons if he stays healthy.

But after watching all of his targets over the last couple years thanks to compilation videos -- which are admittedly not all 22 film -- I don't see him as an X receiver at all. I'm not opposed to drafting him with a big trade down. I just think we would still need to fill the position of a physical outside receiver and get open one-on-one or against press.

There's an awful lot of misconception in this thread about size and speed. I don't know why people are acting like he's significantly taller and longer than Harry (who had his own issues and is not that comparable of a player, but people keep mentioning them in the same posts). Tet is definitely smoother and has a better feel for getting open. I think Harry was a little more impressive against press, and his physicality stood out in college. I think he busted because of mental and emotional reasons, not physical, because his testing numbers were acceptable to excellent across the board.

Harry measured in at 6027, Tet at 6041. Just over an inch in height difference. Harry was 12 pounds heftier (225) at his pro day vs Tet who came in at 213. Harry had 33" arms vs 31.5" for Tet. Wingspan is also slightly in Harry's favor: 78 1/4 to 77 7/8. Tet does have bigger hands (10" to 9.5" ), though both made exceptional one-handed catches in college.

Their stats are also similar (same number of receptions and games played), but Tet has an edge in yards per target and found the end zone a little more often. He returned 2 punts for 11 total yards, vs Harry averaged more than that per return and also added a punt return touchdown.

EDIT: Stats formatting didn't copy properly. Let me just add the links instead:

N'Keal Harry College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Check out N'Keal Harry's College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com

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Tetairoa McMillan College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits | College Football at Sports-Reference.com

Check out Tetairoa McMillan's College Stats, School, Draft, Gamelog, Splits and More College Stats at Sports-Reference.com

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[gobesmug]

He might be be a better guard, but he has already proven he can play LT at the highest level in college. He should be adequate as a pro.

Adequate is not what you want with the #4 overall pick

 

[KCSVEN]

Tet vs Hunter as WR. Again, we are back to the huge difference in separation. With all Tet's athleticism why is he so bad at separation? Bad coaching? Bad change of direction. slow feet? T-Mac is an enigma, he should be much better at separation, if that can be coached, he'll be a stud, if not he'll be a height mismatch/red zone target but taken out of most plays otherwise by good cover corners.
Hinter is all time elite.

What is the IGA Score®? The In-Game Athleticism Score (IGA Score®) is a proprietary athletic performance metric that evaluates a player's true physical capabilities in live game situations. Unlike traditional tests that measure athleticism in isolation, the IGA Score® captures how players perform at game speed

 

[Wozzy]

I asked you too and you did not answer you just called him an athlete but didn't say anything that actually stood out?

What people refer to as RAS score, his was very good across the board. If he was a guard he’d be considered blue chip, only his arm length and wingspan puts a blemish on Campbell’s overall grade as a tackle.

 

[signbabybrady]

What people refer to as RAS score, his was very good across the board. If he was a guard he’d be considered blue chip, only his arm length and wingspan puts a blemish on Campbell’s overall grade as a tackle.

What is Tetoria's RAS Score? I thought I saw somewhere that it was pretty good but I didn't find it with a quick Google and gave up.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

What is Tetoria's RAS Score? I thought I saw somewhere that it was pretty good but I didn't find it with a quick Google and gave up.

No one knows because he didn't test other than a single hand-timed 40.

 

[Wozzy]

What is Tetoria's RAS Score? I thought I saw somewhere that it was pretty good but I didn't find it with a quick Google and gave up.

“Incomplete” as far as I’m concerned, he only ran one drill because people questioned his speed… and his speed ended up being average.

I don’t like prospects who are afraid to compete. He wasn’t that good in college where he could afford not to workout. The only reason he didn’t workout is it could only hurt and not help him. He and his agent know he is not some athletic dynamo.

 

[signbabybrady]

“Incomplete” as far as I’m concerned, he only ran one drill because people questioned his speed… and his speed ended up being average.

I don’t like prospects who are afraid to compete. He wasn’t that good in college where he could afford not to workout. The only reason he didn’t workout is it could only hurt and not help him. He and his agent know he is not some athletic dynamo.

This is wildly off base. He's going top ten probably top 5 despite his pre draft plans. It's not about fear or competition it's about the fact that they think he was that good in college that his tape speaks for itself. If you want to make things up about fear or not being competitive just to fit your wishes then so be it. You obviously don't want him and that's fine.

Was Drake Maye a chicken for not throwing last year?

 

[Wozzy]

This is wildly off base. He's going top ten probably top 5 despite his pre draft plans. It's not about fear or competition it's about the fact that they think he was that good in college that his tape speaks for itself. If you want to make things up about fear or not being competitive just to fit your wishes then so be it. You obviously don't want him and that's fine.

Was Drake Maye a chicken for not throwing last year?

You just reaffirmed what I said, he is probably going top ten or near there.

It is about fear of competition and possibly sinking his draft stock. Just as some workout warriors can improve their draft position at the combine and pro days, a prospect can also hurt his draft stock. If Tet went out there and ran poor agility drills. put up a weak bench and couldn’t jump high… he could push himself out of the first round.

This isn’t about me not liking Tet, it’s about me not liking his level of compete or his top speed. We have seen endless examples of college players who produce at a high level only to fail as pros. This is the entire reason for the combine and pro days. To measure these guys against their peers.

Like I said, I haven’t finished evaluating this draft class, but I have to assume there are some WR’s as good or better than Tet who will go in the next few rounds… no need to reach.

I think this conversation is more about your infatuation with said player and the WR position. I rank my players prior to the draft, but don’t get emotionally attached to them.

 

[lancerman]

Beyond his height at the position what stood out about Tet from the combine and pro day to you?

If it’s the option between reaching for a WR out of desperation or taking an OT or DT with blue chip measurables and stats… I’m taking the trench player no question.

I’ll cover my bases later by throwing multiple mid round picks at WR, those guys are found in every round.

There's no blue chip OT. Graham is the closest that might be in reach on defense.

 

[lancerman]

Teams will reach for QB’s, that’s a universal truth.

You grade prospects based on every other rookie prospect in history, or at least the last couple decades. You don’t take a B- wide receiver in the first round simply because it’s your biggest need. There will always be an A+ player sitting there at #4 even if it’s at a lesser position of need.

If you can’t trade back, then take the best player available. Is Tet that? Having barely evaluated this class, I’d say no.

Just as recently as 2022 there was a draft where exactly 1 QB was taken in the first round and it was at #20.

Ward at #1 is probably a reach. Sanders anywhere in the first round is probably a reach. It doesn't mean teams are going to trip over each other to give us a haul for him at 4.

You don't just punt on a draft because you don't like it in a historical context. That's not how any of this works.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Uneducated

Prescient

 

[lancerman]

Sorry. I mixed Graham up with Abdul Carter.

When did I tell you nothing stood out about Will Campbell?

You characterized his arm length as "less than ideal". It's in fact a much bigger red flag than anybody we are discussing drafting right now. Historically he has something like an +85% chance of being forced into being a guard.

Carter (who won't be there), Graham and Tet all have far less question marks.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Uneducated

You realize that it's safer to bet AGAINST any Pats WR pick?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Yup, AI is correct. I was computing feet/inches vs. yards in my head.

Interesting...16 inches or roughly 4 inches per sec difference between 4.48/4.53....

4 inches per second you say?

 

[Patsgofor4]

He doesn't have a real RAS because he only ran the 40. Otherwise he just ran some pre- scripted patterns. He didn't do the vertical, three 3-cone, broad jump, etc. The tweet that you probable saw, which was posted earlier in this thread, was dumb as hell because the fantasy football nerd who posted it calculated his RAS using Google AI's estimate....the same Google AI that told Ring 6 that Robinson only gave up 15 pressures in 2024 when he really gave up 52.