End Of Day One Thoughts

[Triumph]

ROFL
LT cost KC two additional chances at the SB
How many SB chances would they have missed without Mahomes?

Thread starter - The points are that even with a 1st ballot HOF QB you cant win without a LT. Defense still wins Championships.

With your blessing I will go start a thread on it.

 

[gobesmug]

You assume the LTs are average.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Drake mayes bell rung (again) because of the misguided notion of BPA... Protect the QB.

Not doing so can lead to us doing this all over again in two years time

I've broken down the stats before but Brady had never once played behind an elite Oline.

In fact he has at times been near the top of most sacked QBs in a season.

Aaron Rodgers has been the most sacked QB a couple times early in his career as well.

Weak to bad oline play doesn't break a QB, but it does add to losses so it is important to get at least average play at the oline

 

[Triumph]

If we take the homer and rose colored glasses off, the first day for Pats was good not great.
No bold or innovative trades or signings.

Landry, Williams and Davis are solid signings
But the other 5 are weak older overpriced or unproven depth pieces
Hollins, Dobbs, Tonga and Moses and Spillane
Nothing to get legitimately excited about.

The draft is not going to fix things either in short term.
Still a non playoff team that has no elite playmakers
Lack of meaningful trades tells you that Vrabel knows they are years away
26 top 5 pick incoming and may be best for long term future

Its good to see excitement on the board but yesterday was just a small step not a giant leap to respectability

Hollins tells me that NE will draft his replacement while Hollins shows him the ropes and back him up.

Moses is a band aid which is why I want the 4th pick used on a LT. Be done with it here and now so you're not OT shopping every off season. Enough of having the OL in a constant state of flux.

 

[yukon cornelius]

That's what they thought last year too, and weren't able to trade back in. And the results of those late first pick OTs weren't great either. So it was lose-lose no matter what we did.

it is a deeper draft in regards to T, but there can always be a positional run that spoils the best laid plans

 

[TheRainMaker]

Pats overpaid, but they have to because their team is bad as a result of horrific drafting over the last 10+ years. Like the 2021, these contracts aren't going to cripple the cap and effect whether Maye is worthy of a new deal.

There's no way Williams is here had Barmore not have blood clot issues. And Williams has no business making more than Barmore.

I'm not a fan of the Davis signing at all, but even a mediocre CB is going to cost $15M. I think this is more like a 2 year rental at just over $17M per year.

Moses is way too old.

Mack Hollins is just a fill a roster spot signing.

I like the Landry and Spillane signings.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

trade value chart 2025 version

2026 NFL Trade Value Chart | Drafttek

www.drafttek.com

#4 pick - 1800 points
to Indy

for
#14 pick- 1100 points
#45 pick (2nd round)- 450 points
#81 pick (3rd round) - 185 points
#116 pick (4th round) - 62 points

return: 1797 points

Not saying Indy is the ideal trading partner, or that they would give up all of those picks in the same year, but there is certainly added value at #4 that I think would be wasted on a LT pick, though I'm no draftnik / expert.

 

[Pape]

I've broken down the stats before but Brady had never once played behind an elite Oline.

Bradys sack percentage dropped after his first year as a starter from 9%, and averaged 4.5% on his drop backs thats for his career. Drake Maye has started off on the same path, with his first year at 9%... BB proceeded to build the line over the next few years, but he had something we do not have... Scar.

In fact he has at times been near the top of most sacked QBs in a season.

yeah there were years he was on the list of the top ten sacked... but you can count them on one hand... Typically Brady was not in the top ten and the sack percentage per dropback was well below the league average.

Aaron Rodgers has been the most sacked QB a couple times early in his career as well.

and david carr was destroyed by sacks.

Weak to bad oline play doesn't break a QB, but it does add to losses so it is important to get at least average play at the oline

It certainly can if they get f*ed up... You think last year was beneficial to Maye? Learning how to run for your life in not a good thing.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

You left out:
(My (Bedard's) Stats)
(PFF Stats)

He cooked the numbers in his own tweet to get a Hot Take (tm) out there.

Not far off the PFF numbers actually. He was 140th in total pressures allowed (but somehow still got a decent pass-rushing grade).

 

[Froob]

Cam Robinson is far from perfect, but would be a welcome short term improvement/stop gap, at this point.

Unfortunately to get him he will have to be paid more like a long term solution.

Eh. He's overpaying for mediocrity. He isn't good. Just a name.

 

[Froob]

If it's at the lower end of that 7-14 range, that's the expected price, or near it, if there's a team in love with someone on the board at #4

I'd love to get the Raiders 2026 pick..

 

[n1997y]

Pick # 4 must be used for a LT.

Nail down the position for several years right here and now.

Is there an LT good enough to lock down the position for several years even available in this draft?

 

[TommyD4207]

Is there an LT good enough to lock down the position for several years even available in this draft?

I mean, there aren't a bunch of perennial All-pros, but there are about a half dozen Matt Lights out there, yeah.

 

[n1997y]

You assume the LTs are average.

I don't know about you, but I don't want to see Drake mayes bell rung (again) because of the misguided notion of BPA... Protect the QB.

Not doing so can lead to us doing this all over again in two years time

Who is the elite LT in the draft this year?

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I mean, there aren't a bunch of perennial All-pros, but there are about a half dozen Matt Lights out there, yeah.

Matt Light made 3 pro bowls and an all pro team. There are not 6 multi pro bowl LTs in this draft. That's absurd.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Matt Light made 3 pro bowls and an all pro team. There are not 6 multi pro bowl LTs in this draft. That's absurd.

Matt Light is the most overrated OL in Pats history.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

Matt Light is the most overrated OL in Pats history.

I'm not going to debate the specifics on that. He was a starting LT for 11 years and even if he wasn't a HOFer he was hardly a weakness. There aren't half dozen guys in this or any draft who are going to be good starting LTs for 11 years. That's insane.

 

[Pape]

Who is the elite LT in the draft this year?

Josh simmons

 

[TheRainMaker]

I'm not going to debate the specifics on that. He was a starting LT for 11 years and even if he wasn't a HOFer he was hardly a weakness. There aren't half dozen guys in this or any draft who are going to be good starting LTs for 11 years. That's insane.

If Tom Brady wasn’t his QB, he would’ve bounced around the NFL.

Go back and watch games against competent to elite rushers. He was constantly getting beat up by them, but you’re not seeing it in real time because Tom got the ball out.

Solder was even worse.

Believe or not, Tom has been said on his YouTube channel that his OL’s were just “good enough”.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

If Tom Brady wasn’t his QB, he would’ve bounced around the NFL.

Go back and watch games against competent to elite rushers. He was constantly getting beat up by them, but you’re not seeing it in real time because Tom got the ball out.

Solder was even worse.

Believe or not, Tom has been said on his YouTube channel, his OL’s were just “good enough”.

Yeah, I'm sure Tom Brady went on his podcasts and called his OL journeymen who he made into pro bowlers. That sounds exactly like him. He's never been one to talk up even his worst teammates or avoid ever saying anything negative publicly. I'm positive that he said exactly that and in no way shape or form are you twisting the "good enough" phrase out of context.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yeah, I'm sure Tom Brady went on his podcasts and called his OL journeymen who he made into pro bowlers. That sounds exactly like him. He's never been one to talk up even his worst teammates or avoid ever saying anything negative publicly. I'm positive that he said exactly that and in no way shape or form are you twisting the "good enough" phrase out of context.

The discussion was that QB’s are running around too much and need to learn to move within the pocket to make throws. He said hardly any teams have elite OL’s and that his were just good enough. This was why he emphasized his footwork throughout his career.

Pats had a ton of pedestrian OL during his career disguised by scheme and Tom’s quick decision making.