OT: The Chiefs had "Super Bowl fatigue"

[TheRainMaker]

So you discount the interview with BB and RK saying they had a 5 year plan to reach the Super Bowl? Jerod isn't my man, just to lazy to change my avatar.

Yes, I do. Things change just like it did for Jerod. There were rumblings from the media that Bill was on the hot seat after the 2000 season as it was a massive let down. They had no business winning only 5 games with those core players. In fact, Scott Pioli already confirmed this in "The Dynasty" documentary saying he felt the everyone was going to get fired after the 2001 season before the turn around. Herm Edwards also confirmed Bill feared his was going to lose his job.

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

I’m not suggesting the Chiefs are done or even that they won’t be competing for the Super Bowl again next season. I just think the future of their roster on both sides of the ball are in flux. They have a bunch of interchangeable parts on both sides of the ball. Outside of a handful of guys who on the Chiefs are part of the future or who are just filling out the roster?

Does it matter? The Pats showed over two decades you only need stability at a few spots and then you can fill in everywhere else with value players and coach the crap out of them.

As long as Mahomes, Reid, and Spagnolo are there the Chiefs are at the very least a playoff team every year. I don't know their cap situation but some of the older guys (Kelce, Jones) will leave lots of cap space when they go, and much like with the Pats I'm sure there will be plenty of guys who would come to KC to chase a ring.

It's going to be up to Denver and SD to close the gap and make it tougher for them to survive their own division. This to me is the biggest question mark regarding the future success of KC.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Yes, I do. Things change just like it did for Jerod. There were rumblings from the media that Bill was on the hot seat after the 2000 season as it was a massive let down. They had no business winning only 5 games with those core players. In fact, Scott Pioli already confirmed this in "The Dynasty" documentary saying he felt the everyone was going to get fired after the 2001 season before the turn around. Herm Edwards also confirmed Bill feared his was going to lose his job.

I’m not sure why it’s so crazy to suggest that Bill losing his job in 2001 was definitely possible. Putting personal feelings aside for the guy, this was back before he won six superbowls and two straight piss poor seasons would not have been a good look. Maybe he comes back in 2002 but judging from the 9-7 record with Brady I’m assuming it crashes and burns there anyway.

 

[XLIX]

Setting aside the notion of "Super Bowl Fatigue", I believe fatigue itself is a very real thing. I believe it impacted the Patriots and is now impacting the Chiefs.

The Chiefs have played 16 playoff games in the past 5 years. That's practically an entire season of games. In this sport, that adds up. More wear and tear. Shorter offseasons.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I’m not sure why it’s so crazy to suggest that Bill losing his job in 2001 was definitely possible. Putting personal feelings aside for the guy, this was back before he won six superbowls and two straight piss poor seasons would not have been a good look. Maybe he comes back in 2002 but judging from the 9-7 record with Brady I’m assuming it crashes and burns there anyway.

I was a fan of Bill coming back, but the media didn’t feel the same way. Also, I think the 1st round pick for BB was excessive and Bob caved in to a bitter Parcells’ demands which is why his expectations were now high.

After the 2000 season, I didn’t like the direction of the team and the media agreed. Then you have the controversy of the Seymour pick when the theme all offseason was to get Bledsoe help. The beginning of the season looked like a continuation of the last. Had Seymour been a dud and they missed the playoffs while sending their best offensive player home (Glenn), Bill absolutely would've been fired.

In addition, the “it better work” comment by Bob regarding Bledsoe vs Brady confirmed that he was allowing Bill to potentially crashing and burning and putting his job on the line.

 

[amfootball]

Setting aside the notion of "Super Bowl Fatigue", I believe fatigue itself is a very real thing. I believe it impacted the Patriots and is now impacting the Chiefs.

The Chiefs have played 16 playoff games in the past 5 years. That's practically an entire season of games. In this sport, that adds up. More wear and tear. Shorter offseasons.

Fatigue was not issue in the SB IMO. They were blown out by a much better team and heavily outcoached too.

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Back on topic: Everyone has Chiefs Super Bowl Fatigue!

Hopefully someone else will represent the AFC next year.

 

[XLIX]

Fatigue was not issue in the SB IMO. They were blown out by a much better team and heavily outcoached too.

Oh I agree with that 100%. The Eagles were the better team and the better team won.

But you can't blame the long-timers in KC for having more wear and tear than their counterparts in, say, Las Vegas.

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

Back on topic: Everyone has Chiefs Super Bowl Fatigue!

Hopefully someone else will represent the AFC next year.

I think it's possible the Chiefs/Bills take a step back next year after these let-downs

If that comes to pass, who knows on the AFCE? Jets are a joke, Dolphins not much different (even though they currently own the hell out of us)

Now we all know the refs screwed the Bills but even so, they should have been up by double digits putting away the game by then. They blew another one as is Bills fashion.

 

[sb1]

I was a fan of Bill coming back, but the media didn’t feel the same way. Also, I think the 1st round pick for BB was excessive and Bob caved in to a bitter Parcells’ demands which is why his expectations were now high.

After the 2000 season, I didn’t like the direction of the team and the media agreed. Then you have the controversy of the Seymour pick when the theme all offseason was to get Bledsoe help. The beginning of the season looked like a continuation of the last. Had Seymour been a dud and they missed the playoffs while sending their best offensive player home (Glenn), Bill absolutely would've been fired.

In addition, the “it better work” comment by Bob regarding Bledsoe vs Brady confirmed that he was allowing Bill to potentially crashing and burning and putting his job on the line.

Hard to see them eat the first round pick they traded for Bill so quickly if they fired him after 2001. After 02 yes they would have made the move.

 

[Drunken Cicerone]

Does it matter? The Pats showed over two decades you only stability at a few spots and then you can fill in everywhere else with value players and coach the crap out of them.

As long as Mahomes, Reid, and Spagnolo are there the Chiefs are at the very least a playoff team every year. I don't know their cap situation but some of the older guys (Kelce, Jones) will leave lots of cap space when they go, and much like with the Pats I'm sure there will be plenty of guys who would come to KC to chase a ring.

It's going to be up to Denver and SD to close the gap and make it tougher for them to survive their own division. This to me is the biggest question mark regarding the future success of KC.

Yes it does matter. The Patriots are the exception, not the rule.

Mahomes alone will find more ways to win than any other QB in the league but being a perennial SB contender for 20 seasons is just not something that is going to continue to happen year in and out

 

[Keep Up With The Joneses]

Yes it does matter. The Patriots are the exception, not the rule.

Mahomes alone will find more ways to win than any other QB in the league but being a perennial SB contender for 20 seasons is just not something that is going to continue to happen year in and out

But are we talking about a 20 year run or a dynasty? They are not the same thing.

As I said in a previous post, I don't think what the Pats did over a 20 year span will ever be replicated. But if we're talking about a dynasty (depending on how you define it, I say 3 championships in 5 years or so) then Mahomes, Reid and company can absolutely do that by drafting well and coaching guys up to maximize their return.

 

[Triumph]

 

[cmasspatsfan]

I’m not sure why it’s so crazy to suggest that Bill losing his job in 2001 was definitely possible. Putting personal feelings aside for the guy, this was back before he won six superbowls and two straight piss poor seasons would not have been a good look. Maybe he comes back in 2002 but judging from the 9-7 record with Brady I’m assuming it crashes and burns there anyway.

I only say that because there was an interview with RK and BB after they won the first super bowl, and they talked about a 5-year plan they had to be a contender and have a shot at the super bowl. Of course, things change and maybe they just said that because they just won one, but I always took them at their word. The team needed a lot of work when BB first came here and who knew Brady would be the greatest ever. that's all I'm going on. I just didn't think RK would fire him so soon as long as hey were making progress, Brady put the timeline on overdrive.

 

[Ross12]

 

[TheRainMaker]

Hard to see them eat the first round pick they traded for Bill so quickly if they fired him after 2001. After 02 yes they would have made the move.

Maybe so, but the team was eroding even faster under Bill in such a short period of time.

It’s still a mystery why Bob caved for that 1st round pick to begin with.

 

[signbabybrady]

VD?

 

[Ross12]

VD?

For a couple weeks he had to “shake it off” in the bathroom

 

[ErniesPinkStripes]

 

[RobertWeathers]

Excuses, excuses, excuses.