Ashton Jeanty @ 4?

[manxman2601]

I know I'm going to get flamed for this post but here goes anyway...

I was watching Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers of NFL Draft Exchange breaking down Daniel Jeremiah's mock and they spent a brief time talking about how high Jeanty could go and they made a reasonable argument for Jeanty going to NE at 4.

Before I outline both my and their arguments for the proposition, I think two things need to have happened in the draft:

1. Both Carter and Hunter need to have been taken in the top 3
2. There aren't many good trade down opportunities

The arguments for:

1. Vrabel's experience with Derrick Henry at the Titans

2. My belief that Vrabel/McDaniels will run a heavy play action offense next year and you need a threat at RB to make that work.

3. If Hunter and Carter are off the board, there's a very real case to be made that Jeanty is BPA.

4. Jeanty has a game changing skillset, more so than any other player remaining on the board.

5. The defense will, to some extent, fix itself. I expect the influence of Vrabel will improve the quality of the defense before the addition of any other players. In addition there will be players coming back from injury including, hopefully, Barmore.

6. Jeanty's threat in RPOs and play action will make Drake Maye's job easier.

7. Jeanty and Maye are a helluva' two headed weapon to build this offense around.

8. Gives the offense a real identity.

I can see the arguments against - strong RB class, the value of RBs, Jeanty vs Mason Graham and who is the BPA, a weak OL is a reason not to draft a RB so high and I'm sure many more that I will no doubt hear about.

I've been thinking about what happens if Hunter and Carter are off the board. I struggle to see many reasons why teams would give up serious draft capital to trade up to 4, and I'm not keen on taking Campbell at 4, which leaves Graham, Jeanty or McMillan as the only real alternatives. I'm not there yet on Jeanty over Graham but I am starting to see the arguments for it.

 

[Steve102]

I know I'm going to get flamed for this post but here goes anyway...

I was watching Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers of NFL Draft Exchange breaking down Daniel Jeremiah's mock and they spent a brief time talking about how high Jeanty could go and they made a reasonable argument for Jeanty going to NE at 4.

Before I outline both my and their arguments for the proposition, I think two things need to have happened in the draft:

1. Both Carter and Hunter need to have been taken in the top 3
2. There aren't many good trade down opportunities

The arguments for:

1. Vrabel's experience with Derrick Henry at the Titans

2. My belief that Vrabel/McDaniels will run a heavy play action offense next year and you need a threat at RB to make that work.

3. If Hunter and Carter are off the board, there's a very real case to be made that Jeanty is BPA.

4. Jeanty has a game changing skillset, more so than any other player remaining on the board.

5. The defense will, to some extent, fix itself. I expect the influence of Vrabel will improve the quality of the defense before the addition of any other players. In addition there will be players coming back from injury including, hopefully, Barmore.

6. Jeanty's threat in RPOs and play action will make Drake Maye's job easier.

7. Jeanty and Maye are a helluva' two headed weapon to build this offense around.

8. Gives the offense a real identity.

I can see the arguments against - strong RB class, the value of RBs, Jeanty vs Mason Graham and who is the BPA, a weak OL is a reason not to draft a RB so high and I'm sure many more that I will no doubt hear about.

I've been thinking about what happens if Hunter and Carter are off the board. I struggle to see many reasons why teams would give up serious draft capital to trade up to 4, and I'm not keen on taking Campbell at 4, which leaves Graham, Jeanty or McMillan as the only real alternatives. I'm not there yet on Jeanty over Graham but I am starting to see the arguments for it.

If BPA is a line of scrimmage guy, either side, then I want that. Carter or Graham, or trade back. I hear this is another "generational" guy, so I guess I am not opposed, but if Hunter, Carter and Graham are all gone, then there should be a trade partner for a QB.

 

[manxman2601]

If BPA is a line of scrimmage guy, either side, then I want that. Carter or Graham, or trade back. I hear this is another "generational" guy, so I guess I am not opposed, but if Hunter, Carter and Graham are all gone, then there should be a trade partner for a QB.

The only thing about the QB argument is that if 2 of the 3 QB needy teams in the top 3 pass on one of the QBs, why would another team think he's good enough at 4? There's no accounting for how a team values a prospect so it's possible but the consensus if that Shedeur is not worth a top 4 pick. Also, they could just choose to trade up with the Jags at 5.

I get the argument on the LoS and I think I still would take Graham over Jeanty...just...but I am warming up to a Jeanty pick.

 

[manxman2601]

I should add that if Barmore doesn't return with his blood clot issues fully resolved, then I'd be all in on Mason Graham in this scenario.

 

[jboston19]

He’s definitely talented enough to warrant consideration there. I think I’d still lean towards Graham. Barmore situation scares me.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Don't need a RB.

Rham's fumbling issues will get fixed. I'm certain of it.

 

[PatsFan2]

I know I'm going to get flamed for this post but here goes anyway...

I was watching Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers of NFL Draft Exchange breaking down Daniel Jeremiah's mock and they spent a brief time talking about how high Jeanty could go and they made a reasonable argument for Jeanty going to NE at 4.

Before I outline both my and their arguments for the proposition, I think two things need to have happened in the draft:

1. Both Carter and Hunter need to have been taken in the top 3
2. There aren't many good trade down opportunities

The arguments for:

1. Vrabel's experience with Derrick Henry at the Titans

2. My belief that Vrabel/McDaniels will run a heavy play action offense next year and you need a threat at RB to make that work.

3. If Hunter and Carter are off the board, there's a very real case to be made that Jeanty is BPA.

4. Jeanty has a game changing skillset, more so than any other player remaining on the board.

5. The defense will, to some extent, fix itself. I expect the influence of Vrabel will improve the quality of the defense before the addition of any other players. In addition there will be players coming back from injury including, hopefully, Barmore.

6. Jeanty's threat in RPOs and play action will make Drake Maye's job easier.

7. Jeanty and Maye are a helluva' two headed weapon to build this offense around.

8. Gives the offense a real identity.

I can see the arguments against - strong RB class, the value of RBs, Jeanty vs Mason Graham and who is the BPA, a weak OL is a reason not to draft a RB so high and I'm sure many more that I will no doubt hear about.

I've been thinking about what happens if Hunter and Carter are off the board. I struggle to see many reasons why teams would give up serious draft capital to trade up to 4, and I'm not keen on taking Campbell at 4, which leaves Graham, Jeanty or McMillan as the only real alternatives. I'm not there yet on Jeanty over Graham but I am starting to see the arguments for it.

manaman I wanted to make a post like this but didn't want to get yelled at. Ashton Jeanty is a poor man's S Barkley they make the QB's life a lot easier look at the Eagles. We wouldn't even Need a WR like Higgins If we have a RB like Jeanty... Play action and RPO's all day long with Drake Maye. Jeanty may not be as fast as Barkley but he makes something out of nothing and is a tough Tackle. FTR: I am not a Big Fan of Fumble Rham.

 

[PatsFan2]

The arguments for:

1. Vrabel's experience with Derrick Henry at the Titans

Younger smaller version of of Henry but just as Fast! I can live with him. The Patriots are going to work our allo fo them ie... Mason Graham - Ashton Jeanty and Tetairoa McMillan it's a matter of who they like more.

 

[bakes781]

I could've swarn we had a Jeanty thread already lol but anyway I'm vehemently against ANY RB before day 3 let alone top 5 overall.

1 - the odds of them outlasting their rookie deal(5 for a 1st ) are nearly impossible.

2 - Saquon being the exception of course they rarely equal success in the win column.

3 - there's a plethora of RBs to be had.

4 - the best RB is useless behind a crap line.

 

[Steve102]

I could've swarn we had a Jeanty thread already lol but anyway I'm vehemently against ANY RB before day 3 let alone top 5 overall.

1 - the odds of them outlasting their rookie deal(5 for a 1st ) are nearly impossible.

2 - Saquon being the exception of course they rarely equal success in the win column.

3 - there's a plethora of RBs to be had.

4 - the best RB is useless behind a crap line.

#4 is correct, but Derrick Henry and Saquon have shown that truly generational talents warrant the expenditure of picks and/or money. The question is if this kid is that kind of talent or not. I feel that you'd better be dammed sure if you're taking that kid at pick 4, and there are likely safer options.

 

[Dec54]

Taking a RB at 4# does not say a lot about the rest of the draft.

 

[PatsFan2]

#4 is correct, but Derrick Henry and Saquon have shown that truly generational talents warrant the expenditure of picks and/or money. The question is if this kid is that kind of talent or not. I feel that you'd better be dammed sure if you're taking that kid at pick 4, and there are likely safer options.

Some RB's create holes that are not there: Jeanty is one of those RB's.

 

[manxman2601]

Taking a RB at 4# does not say a lot about the rest of the draft.

The consensus is that Jeanty is either the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft.

 

[PatsFan2]

Fun Fact what does John Stephens - Leonard Russell have in common?? Offensive Rookies of the year RB's Drafted by our N.E. Patriots: we have history on our side.

 

[PatsFan2]

The consensus is that Jeanty is either the 3rd or 4th best player in the draft.

Vrabel can mimic what he did in Tennessee with Ashton Jeanty. Run the Football and play Tough Defense... The Tuna Bill Parcells once said: if your Team can do those Two things well: you'll win a lot of football games: pretty or not.

 

[PatsFan2]

#4 is correct, but Derrick Henry and Saquon have shown that truly generational talents warrant the expenditure of picks and/or money. The question is if this kid is that kind of talent or not. I feel that you'd better be dammed sure if you're taking that kid at pick 4, and there are likely safer options.

Looks at Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson does Fumble Rham remind you of any of them?? Gee I hope not! or a rock is going off your head try me Steve.

 

[manxman2601]

I could've swarn we had a Jeanty thread already lol but anyway I'm vehemently against ANY RB before day 3 let alone top 5 overall.


3 - there's a plethora of RBs to be had.

4 - the best RB is useless behind a crap line.

3. Jeanty had more yards after contact (1,733) than the next best RB, Omarion Hampton had total (1,660).

4. Pretty good motivation to upgrade that crap OLine no? Which we'd have to do anyway.

 

[bakes781]

3. Jeanty had more yards after contact (1,733) than the next best RB, Omarion Hampton had total (1,660).

4. Pretty good motivation to upgrade that crap OLine no? Which we'd have to do anyway.

IF and that's a BIG IF we address the LT in free agency then I will still be against the idea just not vehemently lol

 

[PatsFan2]

3. Jeanty had more yards after contact (1,733) than the next best RB, Omarion Hampton had total (1,660).

4. Pretty good motivation to upgrade that crap OLine no? Which we'd have to do anyway.

That's what you see on Tape the First Guy does not get him down. FTR: I am not going be disappointed if Vrabel makes him our Selection: The RB position is coming back get it back.

 

[Steve102]

Looks at Jahmyr Gibbs and Bijan Robinson does Fumble Rham remind you of any of them?? Gee I hope not! or a rock is going off your head try me Steve.

Those guys are good, to be sure. Are they #4 pick good? Can Henderson or Judkins out of Ohio State be as good as Gibbs or Robinson on day 2 or your favorite day 3? Donovan Edwards in R4 or even R5?

That's the thing here. Is Jeanty a version of Saquon 2.0 or is he simply a very good RB? If he's the latter, then you don't take him at #4. If he is, then maybe you do take him. I am not suggesting they stand pat at RB this off-season. If you take a RB at #4, he'd better be a future HoF guy, because a guy in R2 or R3 might be almost as good.

They need elite weapons somewhere on offense; WR, TE, RB. One of those guys has to be the guy who stresses the defense forces them to try to take that guy away. Once they do, the other positions rise up.