PATRIOTS NEWS Josh McDaniels is back

[JMC00]

McDaniels has had offenses in the top 15 (ypg) with Kyle Orton 2x, Derek Carr, Mac Jones and Matt Cassel

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

You all know how negative I am most of the time, but we're going to be just fine with Josh McDaniels. He has Drake Maye, a QB savant with superb athleticism and all the intangibles. Just need to shore up the line and get some players who can get open and catch the ball, and Drake will throw for 4k yards, minimum.

 

[Dec54]

You all know how negative I am most of the time, but we're going to be just fine with Josh McDaniels. He has Drake Maybe, a QB savant with superb athleticism and all the intangibles. Just need to shore up the line and get some players who can get open and catch the ball, and Drake will throw for 4k yards, minimum.

Am I surprised about McDaniels getting the nod from Vrabels, no not at all. I'm torn really though, on the one hand I wanted fresh blood and an exciting up and coming play caller. But then again there is something to be said for giving the job to someone who's been there and done that. And I don't go along with this "it was all about Brady" McDaniels had the system for Brady and the two of them made it work. I hope the same applies with Maye. So is the the appointment exciting, perhaps not. But it ain't a bad one either.

 

[PatsFan2]

McDaniels has had offenses in the top 15 (ypg) with Kyle Orton 2x, Derek Carr, Mac Jones and Matt Cassel

Top 15 which is middle of the pack and Not 31st.

 

[signbabybrady]

Crushed grain mixed with water, milk. Oatmeal is an example. Meh.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

McDaniels has had offenses in the top 15 (ypg) with Kyle Orton 2x, Derek Carr, Mac Jones and Matt Cassel

He only had Orton because he traded away a 4500 yard passer in his prime. An inept egregious GM decision that ultimately got him fired. Don't give him credit for Orton. Orton never should have started.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

Am I surprised about McDaniels getting the nod from Vrabels, no not at all. I'm torn really though, on the one hand I wanted fresh blood and an exciting up and coming play caller. But then again there is something to be said for giving the job to someone who's been there and done that. And I don't go along with this "it was all about Brady" McDaniels had the system for Brady and the two of them made it work. I hope the same applies with Maye. So is the the appointment exciting, perhaps not. But it ain't a bad one either.

Drake Maye is no Tom Brady.

 

[signbabybrady]

Top 15 which is middle of the pack and Not 31st.

That's where Maye comes in. Top 15 with those QBs then Maye should be top ten or better.

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't know if I would consider Dakota from Braintree a reliable source, but I will post this here anyway.

Nice: I like AVP in this setting now he can learn from one with experience. Josh and AVP will be incumbents here which will be Great for Maye.

 

[RobertWeathers]

That's where Maye comes in. Top 15 with those QBs then Maye should be top ten or better.

Assuming he picks up the offense well.

First order of business is getting the o-line to passable and adding a couple of above-average receiving targets.

 

[PatsFan2]

Drake Maye is no Tom Brady.

Get Maye Tee Higgins and we'll say Brady is no Drake Maye.

 

[PatsFan2]

Assuming he picks up the offense well.

First order of business is getting the o-line to passable and adding a couple of above-average receiving targets.

Don't get me started Rob above average?? How about Very Good??

 

[Stu Pidassle]

He only had Orton because he traded away a 4500 yard passer in his prime. An inept egregious GM decision that ultimately got him fired. Don't give him credit for Orton. Orton never should have started.

Jay Cutler was no ordinary 4500 yard passer. He was also a culture wrecker in the locker room. In some ways it is amazing that he had the statistics he had playing with team mates that hated him.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yea I don't think Josh will "ruin" Drake but my concern is a)system fit and b) ******ing his growth.

I said in another post bringing in a guy like Hoyer - who has played in multiple systems, to mentor Drake would be a bad idea.

I think the QB coach needs to be a technical coach that works with Maye on footwork, delivery etc…, as Brady had with Rodriquez and Tom House, the OC and Vrabel will work with him on everything game related. I don’t believe Hoyer has that background.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I think the QB coach needs to be a technical coach that works with Maye on footwork, delivery etc…, as Brady had with Rodriquez and Tom House, the OC and Vrabel will work with him on everything game related. I don’t believe Hoyer has that background.

The QB coach also needs to be able to help the QB with his game preparation and mental approach which is where Hoyer could help. With two young QB's to develop there is room to add Hoyer as asst QB coach with the primary guy focused on the role you describe.

 

[Vindicate]

Ugh. Probably the #1 complaint out of Tennessee for Vrabel was that he didn't put together a great staff and then held onto that staff too long.... Whatever.

Again, I'll be happy to eat crow if the time comes. "The boys are back in town" vibes never feel good to me.

 

[203Pat]

Yeah it’s pathetic

I don't hate Josh by any means, but I just want to move on from the dynasty. This just feels like the organization clinging onto the past, trying to keep those ties to the good old days instead of starting fresh. Sure, an unfamiliar coaching staff could fail miserably, but at least it would be a clean slate. The Krafts just seem scared to take this team into 2025 and want to try and recreate 2005. The game has moved on and advanced, and to me, at least, the biggest reason why Bill lost his fastball is because he didn't adapt to the way the game is evolving. Sure, maybe Vrabel has the foresight to push us forward, but this McDaniels hire is yet another sign we are still clinging to what was.

 

[Huckleberry1]

The QB coach is also needs to be able to help the QB with his game preparation and mental approach which is where Hoyer could help. With two young QB's to develop there is room to add Hoyer as asst QB coach with the primary guy focused on the role you describe.

I’m fine with them adding as many assistant coaches as they feel they need, my only point was that I don’t think Hoyer is an expert on the mechanics, as he has only been a player and a talking head. However they may want to be careful that they don’t put too many voices in his head. Ultimately I would expect Vrabel and MacDaniels to decide on his coaching together.

 

[jdlboot14]

I don't hate Josh by any means, but I just want to move on from the dynasty. This just feels like the organization clinging onto the past, trying to keep those ties to the good old days instead of starting fresh. Sure, an unfamiliar coaching staff could fail miserably, but at least it would be a clean slate. The Krafts just seem scared to take this team into 2025 and want to try and recreate 2005. The game has moved on and advanced, and to me, at least, the biggest reason why Bill lost his fastball is because he didn't adapt to the way the game is evolving. Sure, maybe Vrabel has the foresight to push us forward, but this McDaniels hire is yet another sign we are still clinging to what was.

I understand that sentiment. But, Josh is a very good OC in his own right.
We could have gambled with M. Brady, or Caley, but JMD is a very experienced schemer & playcaller.
I'm excited to see how he's adapted some new things from his year learning the college game.
I think it's great for Maye, Pop, Bell, Gibson... but a death toll for Polk & Baker.
Also - Pats - DO NOT draft a top WR now. They will be busts!

 

[Rob0729]

He only had Orton because he traded away a 4500 yard passer in his prime. An inept egregious GM decision that ultimately got him fired. Don't give him credit for Orton. Orton never should have started.

It was the right decision. Culter was a turd and locker room cancer. He was an average at best QB. McDaniels was right to trade him in hindsight. McDaniels' problem is he ultimately replaced Culter with Tebow rather than a real QB.