A question that's been bothering me for a while now

[JohnJH]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought once he leaves the pocket he becomes a runner and then the roughing the passer goes out the window.

You're not wrong. Hence one of my frustrations regarding why rarely do you see anyone hit, tackle, wrap-up, etc., Josh Allen for the last 5 plus years. Players simply are not doing that to him like they would any other player that's a ball carrier.

 

[Patsfan1645]

You're not wrong. Hence one of my frustrations regarding why rarely do you see anyone hit, tackle, wrap-up, etc., Josh Allen for the last 5 plus years. Players simply are not doing that to him like they would any other player that's a ball carrier.

I noticed this season a lot of defensive players like waiting for a running qb to get to them as if they expect them all to slid, lots of times it gave them extra yardage. You would think with all the mobile qbs in the league there would be more coaching on dealing with them in the open field. I find myself yelling at the tv "hit him!".

 

[borg]

Someone correct me if I am wrong but I thought once he leaves the pocket he becomes a runner and then the roughing the passer goes out the window.

In gridiron football, a sack occurs when the quarterback (or another offensive player acting as a passer) is tackled behind the line of scrimmage before throwing a forward pass, when the quarterback is tackled behind the line of scrimmage in the "pocket" and without clear intent, or when a passer runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage due to defensive pressure.

Quarterback sack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Patsfan1645]

In gridiron football, a sack occurs when the quarterback (or another offensive player acting as a passer) is tackled behind the line of scrimmage before throwing a forward pass, when the quarterback is tackled behind the line of scrimmage in the "pocket" and without clear intent, or when a passer runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage due to defensive pressure.

Quarterback sack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I checked out the Official NFL Rules page. I don't put faith in wikipedia because anyone can update it.

 

[jmt57]

Roughing the Passer | NFL Football Operations

operations.nfl.com

1. When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, and f), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers.

 

[Wax Frog]

Its all about optics...

 

[JohnJH]

I noticed this season a lot of defensive players like waiting for a running qb to get to them as if they expect them all to slid, lots of times it gave them extra yardage. You would think with all the mobile qbs in the league there would be more coaching on dealing with them in the open field. I find myself yelling at the tv "hit him!".

You too!!!

 

[203Pat]

The league is never consistent on off-field incident punishments. Domestic abuse punishments are almost always enforced as soon as the allegation is public but there doesnt seem to be a consistent length of suspension. The punishments seem to vary from 2 games to indefinite (a year plus but initially no set end date) for any sort of abuse. There also seems to be no distinction when it comes to allegations vs criminal charges vs civil charges vs plea deals vs convictions. Then there are the other suspensions that the league likes to roll into the blanket "violation of the personal conduct policy" that seemingly can be for whatever the league doesn't like.

 

[Vindicate]

I think you may be on to something. Allen with 38 from 18-24 and Burrow with 14 from 20-24. I think back to that hit Nate Clements gave Brady back in 01 when Bradys helmet gets ripped off and he jumps up and claps. That is 100% a penalty in todays Swifty led NFL.

I honestly expected Allen to be higher - he is the flop king. Interesting that Burrow is actually low (calls per year avg) compared to Mahomes and Allen, because he's probably hit far more than them (I could be wrong).

 

[XLIX]

In gridiron football, a sack occurs when the quarterback (or another offensive player acting as a passer) is tackled behind the line of scrimmage before throwing a forward pass, when the quarterback is tackled behind the line of scrimmage in the "pocket" and without clear intent, or when a passer runs out of bounds behind the line of scrimmage due to defensive pressure.

Quarterback sack - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia doesn't get the definition of a sack quite right.

1) If the QB makes it back to the LOS, without crossing it, it is still a sack. So you can have a sack with a loss of 0 yards.
2) The QB getting tackled at or behind the LOS is not enough to make it a sack. It has to be a play which, in the official scorer's opinion, was designed to be a passing play. A QB draw or bootleg is not a QB sack if it loses yards.

 

[vicspats]

We

Because the NFL only cares about PR. It's that simple.

Well… that and money … so like two things

 

[NFL Mystique]

Its easy its the Chiefs.

Speaking of them I saw an interesting stat that over 25 years Brady got 38 roughing the passer calls and Mahomes in 8 years already has 31. We can say the officiating has changed but its pretty clear the league loves them some chiefs and swifties.

Brady started in an era where a defender would need to decapitate a QB to get flagged.

Mahomes started well after the rules shifted to offense.

To be fair, Mahomes does get cheap calls. I'm not denying it. But you have to factor in the era they played in.

 

[everlong]

I had 10 minutes to kill the other day whie waiting on the wife and daughters to get ready so we could leave the house. The Two Bills 30 for 30 was on and I hadn't watched it since it first came out so I threw that on figuring there was a lot I had forgotten. The Tuna exit to the Jets happened to be where they were at in the story. Kraft comments that he wasn't getting much traction from the league office and everything there seemed to think Parcells being back in NY was good for the league in general. He commented that for the first time he questioned the purity of the league office.

Given everything that has come to pass I started yelling at the TV, well apparently you didn't learn your lession you idiot. You let the league over penalize you for spy gate, you sold Brady down the river to keep peace with other other 31 because you were too big of a ****y to take them on. Based upon the history how did you even think these things weren't going to turn out just as they did? Jerry Jones was right to call you a paper tiger.

But I digress. The league is going to do what's best for business or what's best to get owners on board for something down the line. Ray Rice was getting a pass because the Baltimore owner wanted it and Goodell needed his support on other things. Giving Mahomes all his weapons and keeping the Taylor Swift fans happy is good for the league. The league could give two ****s what's fair. They care about what's profitable.

Lastly I heard a great line over the weekend that the league should just admit the obvious and create an offical rule called rought the Patrick. The rule would read any malicious intent including noncontact constitutes a foul.

 

[fourhour]

Hmmm, seems like a good thread to post this. Any of you with dashboard tire pressure gauges in your vehicles notice the difference in PSI readings during this cold spell? Check it out, hehe.