"Well, Dan Campbell only won 3 games his first season..."

[Zuma]

Yeah Campbell was 5-7 with the Dolphins as HC in 2015. He only got one season. They probably should have given him another year.

 

[Real fan 02]

DeMeco Ryans is the only guy who has succeeded in a similar position as Mayo that I can find. Though, he did spend two years as a coordinator in SF before taking over the Houston HC role. Mayo didnt even have that on his resume

Agreed. Mayo has assurances in his contract as we all know so he never had to go the route he should have in order to make him a better HC. Flores for example was what a LBs coach forever.. pepper Johnson left the organization because he felt he'd never have an opportunity to move up here. Mayo had his handed to him.

 

[Pape]

Agreed. Mayo has assurances in his contract as we all know so he never had to go the route he should have in order to make him a better HC. Flores for example was what a LBs coach forever.. pepper Johnson left the organization because he felt he'd never have an opportunity to move up here. Mayo had his handed to him.

Flores called the defenses... he might not have had the title, but he was the defensive coordinator here after Patricia left... add to that 11 years of coaching experience plus 4 years as a scout

 

[Real fan 02]

Flores called the defenses... he might not have had the title, but he was the defensive coordinator here

When Patricia was here??

 

[lancerman]

Flores called the defenses... he might not have had the title, but he was the defensive coordinator here

I mean there's debate over who was the real coordinator between Mayo and Steve. People are now using revisionist history to say it was all Steve because of Mayo's results. But most of the players were saying Mayo was the one they were working with.

 

[PatsFan2]

He's literally not an exception. Most coaches end up failing and most coaches end up having issues their first year.

That's just reality.

Every coach I listed was a multi time Super Bowl winning HC. Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Tom Flores and Joe Gibbs are the only others and they are the ones that started decent. That's 4 guys. I listed 8 who had horrible starts.

The exception for multi SB winning coaches is to start out with a good record and a decent first year. The rule is growing pains.

Again, that doesn't mean Mayo is that guy or anything. But it's a pretty dumb metric when I can go by the coaches who had the highest level of success and show they would fit on the OP's list. The reality is most coaches just fail.

I'll save you the keystrokes Mayo doesn't have a ceiling as a HC... Mayo is going through the floor.
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[Pape]

I mean there's debate over who was the real coordinator between Mayo and Steve. People are now using revisionist history to say it was all Steve because of Mayo's results. But most of the players were saying Mayo was the one they were working with.

steve was calling the defenses ... pretty much says it all to me... and given the improvement seen in the u/washington defense, it bears it out... ymmv

 

[lancerman]

I'll save you the keystrokes Mayo doesn't have a ceiling as a HC... Mayo is going through the floor.
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I'll save you the keystrokes, you have been desperately looking for a quick fix for this team the last few years and most of the time have been wrong. Mayo might or might not be the answer. He probably isn't. But pointing out a bunch of HC's failed with bad first years is not a relevant argument. Most successful coaches have bad first years. Most HC's fail in general. It's a numbers game.

The better argument against Mayo is how the team looks on the field.

 

[Pape]

When Patricia was here??

Patricia left for detroit after the '17 season... flores took over as the defacto DC in 2018... so it was only one year...

 

[lancerman]

steve was calling the defenses ... pretty much says it all to me... and given the improvement seen in the u/washington defense, it bears it out... ymmv

The Washington defense improved a tad bit, but it's relatively mid. There's a reason they aren't trying to keep him. People are overestimating Steve because he's Bill's son and because they don't like Mayo.

Let's be real, Bill Belichick was the reason the defense was what it was last year more than either Mayo or Steve. Patricia is a ****ing clown show and he did good, Flores did better, Bill was fine when Flores left, and Steve/Mayo were good. It was all Bill. It's like Reid when Bienemy was the OC.

 

[Real fan 02]

Patricia left for detroit after the '17 season... flores took over as the defacto DC in 2018... so it was only one year...

Right! For some reason I'm thinking he got the official title of DC? In '18.. Flores was one if longest tenured coaches on the staff here since 2004..

 

[lancerman]

Right! For some reason I'm thinking he got the official title of DC? In '18.. Flores was one if longest tenured coaches on the staff here since 2004..

There was a weird period where Bill never named a DC. It was annoying.

 

[Pape]

The Washington defense improved a tad bit, but it's relatively mid. There's a reason they aren't trying to keep him. People are overestimating Steve because he's Bill's son and because they don't like Mayo.

Let's be real, Bill Belichick was the reason the defense was what it was last year more than either Mayo or Steve. Patricia is a ****ing clown show and he did good, Flores did better, Bill was fine when Flores left, and Steve/Mayo were good. It was all Bill. It's like Reid when Bienemy was the OC.

don't know enough about college football to say yea or nay... but ppg were down, so, as i said ymmv

I don't think anyone over rated steve belichick... quite the opposite... I think he's been unfairly dumped on because he is the Son of Bill...

and I am not discounting the presence of BB... his front office was lacking, but no one prepared better for a game than he did

 

[Pape]

Right! For some reason I'm thinking he got the official title of DC? In '18.. Flores was one if longest tenured coaches on the staff here since 2004..

did not get the title... might have if he stayed, but he left, taking over Miami in 2019

 

[h0c2000]

There needs to be a strawman thread prefix.

 

[JohnJH]

Thing that is missing from the Dan Campbell comparison - the 11 years of coaching experience he had before becoming a Head Coach... in lieu of holding a coordinator position, he spent 5 years working under Sean Payton in New Orleans as the assistant head coach...

Compare that, and any of the others to Mayos history as a coach... It does not take a genius to figure out that only a small percentage of guys who get a HC job become successful... and only one with limited experience like Mayo has succeeded.

It does not bode well for the next season

Agreed. Dan Campbell had a resume that was in every way something that Mayo didn't have, and still doesn't have.

 

[Pape]

He's literally not an exception. Most coaches end up failing and most coaches end up having issues their first year.

That's just reality.

Every coach I listed was a multi time Super Bowl winning HC. Vince Lombardi, Don Shula, Tom Flores and Joe Gibbs are the only others and they are the ones that started decent. That's 4 guys. I listed 8 who had horrible starts.

The exception for multi SB winning coaches is to start out with a good record and a decent first year. The rule is growing pains.

Again, that doesn't mean Mayo is that guy or anything. But it's a pretty dumb metric when I can go by the coaches who had the highest level of success and show they would fit on the OP's list. The reality is most coaches just fail.

those HoF HCs were from a different era though, and that needs to be considered... hard to compare a team that could stock pile talent with no avenue for player movement to the modern day nfl... two completely different games

 

[Pape]

Agreed. Dan Campbell had a resume that was in every way something that Mayo didn't have, and still doesn't have.

he showed glimpses of the type of coach he would become in his interim stint in Miami... he got the seasoning he needed with Sean Payton in New Orleans...

 

[lancerman]

those HoF HCs were from a different era though, and that needs to be considered... hard to compare a team that could stock pile talent with no avenue for player movement to the modern day nfl... two completely different games

I mean it's hard to compare anyone because the league is different. I mean hell the last 6 Super Bowls had 4 of them won by Reid and Bill Belichick. McVay is really the only modern era guy whose won anything and even Arians is an old fart who didn't do much but he's been around since the late 80's. And I'd even argue McVay's success was more the Rams selling out to load up on talent

 

[Real fan 02]

did not get the title... might have if he stayed, but he left, taking over Miami in 2019

Right! mayo has the internal knowledge from the GOAT and intelligence to be a good HC in the NFL he just skipped the process it takes to become such. So Bobby K won't fire him.. he'll give him a better roster and coaching support... however if it continues on this way he won't last past the trade deadline next season.