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[Ross12]

I think continuity is important especially with rookie QB’s. I have my doubts about AVP’s effectiveness during game day but I do think he was very instrumental with Maye’s mechanics and helping him adjust to NFL defenses.

I understand some coaches are saying Maye is very smart but we also get “Mayo is a good HC”…”I love playing for him”….what else are they going to say? He sucks?

I think I just agree with Bedard that the ultimate brain-dead move is to scape-goat AVP.

If they keep Mayo then they need to keep AVP. If they replace Mayo, then either replace him with an offensive HC or with a solid HC/OC combo that you're very confident you'll get a few years out of. Perhaps there's a chance you can bring in a Vrabel and still keep AVP but that seems unlikely to me.

 

[Family]

I think continuity is important especially with rookie QB’s. I have my doubts about AVP’s effectiveness during game day but I do think he was very instrumental with Maye’s mechanics and helping him adjust to NFL defenses.

It's a little crazy because I always thought AVP was least likely to succeed.

But out of everyone (Wolf/Mayo/Covington) , he's done the best job.

And in this currently messed up organization, he could be the first to go.

 

[PatMan]

Bedard is just another "nattering nabob of negativity" who makes $$$ off of bashing the Patriots..
For some reason that is well liked among many fans today..

Agreed 100%. Bedard is a one-trick pony who's one trick is neither entertaining or interesting. He also refuses to tag his opinions with "Bedard's Regards" which is a massive lost opportunity.

However, the Kraft's have been conditioned by decades of media ball-washing to break down at the slightest hint of criticism so this is not nothing.

I expect minimally some coaches to be fired and no longer think Jerod Mayo's job is safe. If Tom Curran starts being critical at all of Mayo or the Kraft's the writing is on the wall that a decision has been made to fire Mayo.

Curran is basically the media mouthpiece of the Kraft's and I can already hear him saying,

"I was critical of Robert and Johnathan, but to their credit they understood Mayo was not what they had hoped, and identified a change needed to be made to hire a more seasoned coach in Mike Vrabel."

 

[Since1960]

I have no issue with keeping AVP *BUT* only as the QB coach, NOT as the offensive coordinator. For some reason this guy appears to be a “QB Whisperer” sooo leave him in that position if he’s agreeable. After our next “de facto” GM is brought on board, I’d hand him a big broom to sweep away most of the current coaching staff…

 

[Love The Drake]

I have no issue with keeping AVP *BUT* only as the QB coach, NOT as the offensive coordinator. For some reason this guy appears to be a “QB Whisperer” sooo leave him in that position if he’s agreeable. After our next “de facto” GM is brought on board, I’d hand him a big broom to sweep away most of the current coaching staff…

Mccown as Oc?
He has coached Maye before.
Question is what offensive mastermind who has called plays would want to come here if it’s not for the HC spot?

 

[Ross12]

Agreed 100%. Bedard is a one-trick pony who's one trick is neither entertaining or interesting. He also refuses to tag his opinions with "Bedard's Regards" which is a massive lost opportunity.

However, the Kraft's have been conditioned by decades of media ball-washing to break down at the slightest hint of criticism so this is not nothing.

I expect minimally some coaches to be fired and no longer think Jerod Mayo's job is safe. If Tom Curran starts being critical at all of Mayo or the Kraft's the writing is on the wall that a decision has been made to fire Mayo.

Curran is basically the media mouthpiece of the Kraft's and I can already hear him saying,

"I was critical of Robert and Johnathan, but to their credit they understood Mayo was not what they had hoped, and identified a change needed to be made to hire a more seasoned coach in Mike Vrabel."

I'm not sure Curran is actually the mouthpiece of the Krafts. We thought that was the case, but it seems more like he was just being fed info by Mayo over the last few years - with Mayo having gotten some of that info himself from the Krafts.

 

[sportnik]

If Bob Kraft fired Belichick as his son advised him to after 2017, he wouldn't have won the 2018 Super Bowl.

If Kraft fired Belichick and kept Brady in 2019, Brady wouldn't have won his 7th Super Bowl on the same rapidly aging Patriots team we saw in 2019. Brady's late career would have finished with a whimper.

Belichick (who was not yet 70) would have gone to another team and Bedard would be writing this same letter in reverse.

I’m not so sure they wouldn’t have won a couple more Super Bowls. Brady would have finished his career as a Patriot. Brady was lobbying for BOB as HC & that would be a dramatic improvement over Mayo. They also would have probably drafted AJ Brown or Debo Samuel instead of Harry. Caserio may have stayed to run player personnel. So the franchise would be in a much better place.

There’s no way they would have been bad enough to get Maye, so there’s that…

 

[Grogan14]

The OC job with Pats is considered “not desrable” by top candidates. Can you get someone better than AVP to take the job reporting to Mayo. I am not so sure.

If Mayo stays for 2025, they should keep AVP in the name of continuity for Maye

By the way, after yesterday, I am beginning to think run stuffing DT is as much of a need as WR and OL

 

[Bill Lee]

you're going to join the likes of the Jets in terms of utter futility.

He really went there???

 

[Zuma]

I think I just agree with Bedard that the ultimate brain-dead move is to scape-goat AVP.

If they keep Mayo then they need to keep AVP. If they replace Mayo, then either replace him with an offensive HC or with a solid HC/OC combo that you're very confident you'll get a few years out of. Perhaps there's a chance you can bring in a Vrabel and still keep AVP but that seems unlikely to me.

And in no way did Bedard mention AVP in this “change” article. Perhaps he knows or thinks Vrablel would be ok with AVP as OC. I guess we can cherry pick what we agree and disagree in regards to Bedard.

“2. Just to make things clear, Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels are in no way tied to each other going forward, at least at this point.”

 

[sportnik]

The OC job with Pats is considered “not desrable” by top candidates. Can you get someone better than AVP to take the job reporting to Mayo. I am not so sure.

If Mayo stays for 2025, they should keep AVP in the name of continuity for Maye

By the way, after yesterday, I an beginning to think run stuffing DT is as much kf a need as WR and OL

If the Krafts are hellbent on destroying thier franchise by standing behind Mayo, they have to bring back AVP.

There isn’t a single NFL caliber OC that would be willing to work under a duplicitous, incompetent head coach, going into a lame duck season, who publicly threw his last OC under the bus. Even the Mayo sycophant, Phil Perry, confirmed this after talking to league sources.

 

[signbabybrady]

The OC job with Pats is considered “not desrable” by top candidates. Can you get someone better than AVP to take the job reporting to Mayo. I am not so sure.

If Mayo stays for 2025, they should keep AVP in the name of continuity for Maye

By the way, after yesterday, I an beginning to think run stuffing DT is as much kf a need as WR and OL

There's more talent in our front 7 than other positions especially if Barmore and Bentley are back so it might not be our biggest need but I do agree that for whatever reasons they aren't playing well and might be playing even worse than our OL or WR groups.

 

[upstater1]

I’m not so sure they wouldn’t have won a couple more Super Bowls. Brady would have finished his career as a Patriot. Brady was lobbying for BOB as HC & that would be a dramatic improvement over Mayo. They also would have probably drafted AJ Brown or Debo Samuel instead of Harry. Caserio may have stayed to run player personnel. So the franchise would be in a much better place.

There’s no way they would have been bad enough to get Maye, so there’s that…

Your timeline is off.

Unless you mean 2018 firing.

But then they'd have one less Super Bowl. Because Belichick was integral to beating the Rams.

If you're talking about firing him a year later when Brady and Belichick's relationship became a problem in 2019, then you also have to consider that Bill Obrien was the coach of the Texas. You're not replacing Belichick with the head coach of the Texans.

AJ Brown and Debo Samuel are just players, and in the scheme of things, you think they are worth a Super Bowl? I mean, Debo is one of the biggest problem contracts in the NFL, and AJ isn't even with his first team.

But beyond that, where did you get this info that Brady had been lobbying for Bill O'Brien? That seems crazy.

 

[50-yard-line]

If Bob Kraft fired Belichick as his son advised him to after 2017, he wouldn't have won the 2018 Super Bowl.

If Kraft fired Belichick and kept Brady in 2019, Brady wouldn't have won his 7th Super Bowl on the same rapidly aging Patriots team we saw in 2019. Brady's late career would have finished with a whimper.

Belichick (who was not yet 70) would have gone to another team and Bedard would be writing this same letter in reverse.

I don't disagree with your assessments, but letting Brady walk split the fanbase into warring factions like I've never seen before. Hard feelings carried over and aggravated by anger-porn radio.

It should have never happened from the Pats' point of view. From Brady's it worked...but, no, Kraft should not have let him walk.

 

[MrBigglesWorth]

Because there are so many reasons to be positive about this team….

They should get at least one pick right next yr

 

[Triumph]

Nobody should be fired.

Not Mayo, AVP or Covington. Not Wolfe or Groh.

The Pats currently pick # 2. After the 2025 season heads can roll. Then you can truly judge the 2025 FA period and 2025/2024 drafts. Plus, the coaching improvement or decline.

I would stay the course.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I’m not so sure they wouldn’t have won a couple more Super Bowls. Brady would have finished his career as a Patriot. Brady was lobbying for BOB as HC & that would be a dramatic improvement over Mayo. They also would have probably drafted AJ Brown or Debo Samuel instead of Harry. Caserio may have stayed to run player personnel. So the franchise would be in a much better place.

There’s no way they would have been bad enough to get Maye, so there’s that…

The alternate universe discussion. The 2018 Pats were the closest thing to the 2001 team being fairly mediocre. Bill O'Brien at HC would not have done what Bill did late in the season making adjustments after the Pittsburgh loss. In addition, I think they would've got ran out of the stadium had they made it to KC for the AFCCG.

They may have taken Brown or Samuel over Harry, but they still wouldn't have been good enough offensively. The O-line was in shambles, they couldn't run the ball, no TE and Edelman was cooked.

 

[signbabybrady]

Nobody should be fired.

Not Mayo, AVP or Covington. Not Wolfe or Groh.

The Pats currently pick # 2. After the 2025 season heads can roll. Then you can truly judge the 2025 FA period and 2025/2024 drafts. Plus, the coaching improvement or decline.

I would stay the course.

I tried really hard to take this position going back a few weeks I kept saying he just needs to show anything to make us feel positive (even if it was just 1 win) but then Mayo just hasn't shown anything to keep me on his side if anything he seems to be getting worse.

You still have the reasonable take and in some ways I still agree with it but my frustrations have gotten the better of me.

 

[EMpats]

Bedard is just another "nattering nabob of negativity" who makes $$$ off of bashing the Patriots..
For some reason that is well liked among many fans today..

The audacity to suggest this team needs major improvement

 

[mike_usagisan]

I tried really hard to take this position going back a few weeks I kept saying he just needs to show anything to make us feel positive (even if it was just 1 win) but then Mayo just hasn't shown anything to keep me on his side if anything he seems to be getting worse.

You still have the reasonable take and in some ways I still agree with it but my frustrations have gotten the better of me.

I go back and forth. I think we'd be better with clearly better coaching. But as long as Mayo's probably getting another year, I'm trying to find ways that we can still improve.