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[Huckleberry1]

You're doing the same thing.

Nope, I’m not: I believe Kraft’s comment that he wanted to see more collaboration as a plea to Belichick to listen to his assistants more, not one that magically gave his assistants veto power over him. You guys are curate comment as gospel, and claiming it gave his assistants power over him, but then say Kraft is a liar when his comment didn’t fit your narrative.

I’m done going around in circles.

 

[sb1]

Belichick’s ****ty team

Uh oh that oughta trigger some folks around here... they'll cry about it and start calling you hater.

 

[sb1]

Nope, I’m not: I believe Kraft’s comment that he wanted to see more collaboration as a plea to Belichick to listen to his assistants more, not one that magically gave his assistants veto power over him.

^
1000% this.

Kraft even said "I hope we see more collaboration"... it was never to demote Bill from the GM job and all its responsibilities that went with it. After Bill was let go Kraft said he pondered that possibility to remove him from the GM role and let him only be coach and then said it wouldn't work. So it makes no sense that he already did it then say later it wouldn't work.

So yeah Bill drafted Mac Jones, etc. Nobody else did that.

 

[archstanton543]

^
1000% this.

Kraft even said "I hope we see more collaboration"... it was never to demote Bill from the GM job and all its responsibilities that went with it. After Bill was let go Kraft said he pondered that possibility to remove him from the GM role and let him only be coach and then said it wouldn't work. So it makes no sense that he already did it then say later it wouldn't work.

So yeah Bill drafted Mac Jones, etc. Nobody else did that.

Bill also ruined Mac Jones.

 

[maust]

Uh oh that oughta trigger some folks around here... they'll cry about it and start calling you hater.

Congrats, you take this week's self indulgence award. smdh

 

[sb1]

Congrats, you take this week's self indulgence award. smdh

Trolling/calling me or anyone here a BB hater for the rare criticism of our former HC is peak stupidity and gets mocked …as it should. Shrug.

 

[sb1]

Bill also ruined Mac Jones.

Either that or Bill drafted a kid in the first round that cant hack it as a starter. Either way the Mac Jones experience is an L on the legacy of the hoodied one.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Could be a technical move, expect him to get resigned to the PS

Nostradamus

 

[Family]

Can you clarify what you mean by 'both ways' please? The team's ability to exercise the fith year option does not change, only the cost. If a player makes two or more Pro Bowls the value of his 5th year option is the franchise tag for his position. If he makes one Pro Bowl the 5th year is equal to the transition tag's value. If he does not make the Pro Bowl the value is less and based on his snap percentage, it could range from a high of equal to the third biggest contract at his position to as low as the 20th.

Making the Pro Bowl only increases the value of the 5th year option, it never hurts it.

Sorry to clarify:

The conversation centered around any cap benefit of a QB on a rookie contract.

My point was the 5th year for having a quarterback on a cheap contract was negated by pro bowl appearances.

It had nothing to do with options. I don't believe I used that word.

 

[maust]

Sorry to clarify:

The conversation centered around any cap benefit of a QB on a rookie contract.

My point was the 5th year for having a quarterback on a cheap contract was negated by pro bowl appearances.

It had nothing to do with options. I don't believe I used that word.

That makes a bit more sense. The first 4 years are obviously quite inexpensive for a starting level QB. That said even if one is selected to a Pro Bowl the transition tag is still less than a FA contract for a good starter, at the very least the team gets cost certainty and retains control over the player for an additional year without dealing with the further ramifications of using tags. So while the 5th year option isn't cheap it could still be seen as a relative bargain under certain circumstances.

 

[Family]

My argument is that he inherited Belichick’s ****ty team and Kraft’s coach, who is clearly doing a poor job. A GM needs at least 3 years to turn a failing franchise around, and Wolf has already chosen their franchise QB. It’s far too early to pass judgement on him, and those that are clearly would have fired Belichick during his first season, as that was a failure as well. And they would have cut Brady because he didn’t do anything his rookie season either. It’s instant success or nothing for some fans, and that’s the model the Jets operate on, and the reason they always suck.

Ok I'll buy that, but I'm not looking for instant success.

Wolf is from the same tree that trades down to pass on real talent in order to get two marginal players, or signs multiple value cap players, rather than going after who he likes.

Whether Wolf made the final selections or not when BB was here is irrelevant to me because that was the philosophy of the management team he was part of, and nothing I've seen so far is a change from that.

I don't need three years to figure this out, and don't want think this style works without Bill as coach.

Maybe Vrabel could pull it off, but I fear they bring in an incompatible head coach instead of the current situation of an incompetent one.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok I'll buy that, but I'm not looking for instant success.

Wolf is from the same tree that trades down to pass on real talent in order to get two marginal players, or signs multiple value cap players, rather than going after who he likes.

Whether Wolf made the final selections or not when BB was here is irrelevant to me because that was the philosophy of the management team he was part of, and nothing I've seen so far is a change from that.

I don't need three years to figure this out, and don't want think this style works without Bill as coach.

Maybe Vrabel could pull it off, but I fear they bring in an incompatible head coach instead of the current situation of an incompetent one.

Wolf Passed on trading down and took Maye. That was his first major decision and he did the opposite of what you are saying.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Ok I'll buy that, but I'm not looking for instant success.

Wolf is from the same tree that trades down to pass on real talent in order to get two marginal players, or signs multiple value cap players, rather than going after who he likes.

Whether Wolf made the final selections or not when BB was here is irrelevant to me because that was the philosophy of the management team he was part of, and nothing I've seen so far is a change from that.

I don't need three years to figure this out, and don't want think this style works without Bill as coach.

Maybe Vrabel could pull it off, but I fear they bring in an incompatible head coach instead of the current situation of an incompetent one.

Belichick WAS the management team. He called the shots. And if you have ever read anything about him you would know he was notorious for doing just what he wanted, and ignoring the advice of others. I’m not complaining, because it got them 9 AFC Championships, and 6 Lombardi’s, but don’t try to act like it was one big cohesive management team that all believed in the same philosophy, because it wasn’t. The revisionist here history borders on the absurd.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

I'm assuming they cut him because they felt they had someone better. It's also possible Strange is closer to being ready to play. Just have to let it play out.

Exactly this. They won’t be playing for anything other than to play spoiler this year so why not let the guys who have a future here get some reps. It’s not like the turnstile he was acting like was stopping many people. They sure as **** weren’t depositing $2.50 to get on the MBTA on their way to hunt down Drake. **** if they installed a sign saying “Please deposit tree fitty before chasing our QB!”, that may have done a better job than MJ did…

 

[upstater1]

Nope, I’m not: I believe Kraft’s comment that he wanted to see more collaboration as a plea to Belichick to listen to his assistants more, not one that magically gave his assistants veto power over him. You guys are curate comment as gospel, and claiming it gave his assistants power over him, but then say Kraft is a liar when his comment didn’t fit your narrative.

I’m done going around in circles.

You're doing the same thing. It fits your anti-Belichick narrative.

You also exaggerate what I said. "Assistants got power over him." Nowhere did I say anything like that. We might even agree ultimately that it said Belichick could not go his own way all the time.

You also make things up constantly in this thread. No one said assistants had veto power over him. Where did I say that?

I also didn't call Kraft a liar to fit my narrative. That is made up too. I said Kraft got caught lying in his Dynasty documentary, which makes him a liar. But that has little to do with his contradicting statements. They were contradicting, that's all. Unless of course he was lying, which he is prone to do. I didn't say he lied in this case. I only know that he said things were going to change in 2020.

The other crazy thing you made up and repeated 3 times is that most of the people on my OL list were Belichick choices. Belichick wasn't even here past February of 2024 when those OL came in. No matter how many times I repeat that, you say the same thing.

This is ****oo land.

 

[upstater1]

^
1000% this.

Kraft even said "I hope we see more collaboration"... it was never to demote Bill from the GM job and all its responsibilities that went with it. After Bill was let go Kraft said he pondered that possibility to remove him from the GM role and let him only be coach and then said it wouldn't work. So it makes no sense that he already did it then say later it wouldn't work.

So yeah Bill drafted Mac Jones, etc. Nobody else did that.

And no one said Bill got demoted.

You're the king of twisting things.

 

[captain stone]

If it's about effort, focus & maybe locker room stuff we don't know about.
I imagine (as bad as Mayo has been) they're not stupid, and trying everything possible to root out the guys who are holding the team down...

Hey now, don't sell them short...

 

[Family]

Belichick WAS the management team. He called the shots. And if you have ever read anything about him you would know he was notorious for doing just what he wanted, and ignoring the advice of others.

The point was he surrounded himself with like minded people.

They might not have agreed on evaluation always, but their philosophy on type of player wanted and mode of operation are similar.

 

[Family]

Wolf Passed on trading down and took Maye. That was his first major decision and he did the opposite of what you are saying.

Yes that was the given from the beginning. Maye will save everyone's job.

Because nearly every single other move has completely stunk, even if measured against what this board would do.

It's pretty much the lowest performance any General Manager has ever seen in one year sans Maye.

 

[Family]

I think it's funny no one really cared about this.