Wolf has made worse GM decisions than post Brady BB

[Real fan 02]

Remember what we use to say during some of those BB Drafts?? Lock him in a room and throw away the key until it's over. Rinse and repeat with Elliott Wolf especially after the First Round: anyone of us here could have picked Maye. We all knew that's how the dominoes would fall: Wolf and his Scouts suck when things aren't so obvious.

Matt groh has a heavy hand in it too brother.. we pretty much are left with no choice but to allow wolf to get this team up to NFL standards. We been rebuilding for 5 seasons now. When are we going to be actually built.

 

[Ring 6]

This was not even close to an endorsement.

In the past he's also said Zach Wilson "can make all the throws". I'm sure he wouldn't have drafted him either if he had a chance and rightfully so.

It was never Bill's MO to pick a QB early that needs some development so why would he start now? He will go with the more polished guy all the time, which McCarthy was. Also see Jones, Mac

It seems like he picked a qb back around 2000 that needed development, in fact he said he was so frail he was scared to put him in a game.

Then he drafted the QB who started zero games in college. And the guy from Eastern Illinois. Yeah he showed no patience for QBs who needed development

By the way Mac Jones had less experience than Maye.

 

[Ian]

His evaluation of any player on take is not glowing. At the beginning he pointed out negatives about each qb.
Thats his job, to analyze where they are at and what development they need.

Again, if you're coming away from that believing he would have selected Maye, we'll have to agree to disagree.

 

[TommyD4207]

"Maye was the gimme, the easy pick. Everyone else, Polk, Baker, Wallace, Robinson, all are unplayable."

Yes.

 

[Triumph]

Kraft is the man behind the curtain.

Everything goes through Thunder.

 

[Ring 6]

Again, if you're coming away from that believing he would have selected Maye, we'll have to agree to disagree.

It gives no indication either way if he would have selected Maye. Implying it does is just another excuse making exercise.

 

[maust]

Again, if you're coming away from that believing he would have selected Maye, we'll have to agree to disagree.

One of you seems much better equipped to do that than the other

 

[Ian]

It gives no indication either way if he would have selected Maye. Implying it does is just another excuse making exercise.

Ok. If you came away believing he would have taken Maye at #3 overall, feeling he was worthy value-wise and talent-wise to warrant expending that high of a pick rather than trading back given all their other needs (knowing how he views draft choices), then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

 

[sb1]

It seems like he picked a qb back around 2000 that needed development, in fact he said he was so frail he was scared to put him in a game.

Yeah drafting a raw undersized prospect in the 6th round as an afterthought that nobody other than liars had the faintest idea what he would become is not exactly the same thing as picking your franchise-QB to be in the first round and you know that. They already had a franchise QB.

There's also a major difference in age between Bill then and now. Bill at his age isn't drafting a guy that needs work risking that he won't win with him.

Then he drafted the QB who started zero games in college.

They had Brady and he was never starting over him. Nothing further to discuss.

And the guy from Eastern Illinois.

See above.

Yeah he showed no patience for QBs who needed development

Funny - there were reports that he didn't think much of Josh Allen. That fits right in to Bill's MO to prefer the more polished guy not the developmental guy.

By the way Mac Jones had less experience than Maye.

Mac Jones played in a pro style offense and a national championship caliber program. Maye, umm....didn't. The end.

Bill was never drafting Maye. No way, no how, no chance. All other opinions have no basis in anything other than defending the wall for Bill.

 

[sb1]

He wasn’t there to “endorse” he was there to evaluate college players, which mostly includes what they need to improve on at the next level.
Show me the tape on the draft picks he “endorsed” and said nothing about their developmental issues.

Mac Jones was who fell to him. It was his only choice. If he had a higher pick he would have taken a different Qb.

No he would have picked Jones, there's no doubt about that. That's the only thing Bill would do that fits his MO.

 

[Ian]

No he would have picked Jones, there's no doubt about that. That's the only thing Bill would do that fits his MO.

I agree - but I do think he only did that because of Saban. I think if Jones had played for anyone else, Bill would have passed.

 

[sb1]

I agree - but I do think he only did that because of Saban. I think if Jones had played for anyone else, Bill would have passed.

Hard to say. Obviously Bill trusted Saban's word on a lot of things when it comes to players. But I still feel he goes with Jones and the fact he didn't move up tells me that.

There was talk connecting Bill to Mills. I don't think that was happening. Mills was and is a project and I really don't think Bill is in the business of developing a project QB as their franchise.

I would have stomached another year of Cam if Bill traded up for Parsons though. In hindsight I wish that was the move

 

[Ian]

Hard to say. Obviously Bill trusted Saban's word on a lot of things when it comes to players. But I still feel he goes with Jones and the fact he didn't move up tells me that.

There was talk connecting Bill to Mills. I don't think that was happening. Mills was and is a project and I really don't think Bill is in the business of developing a project QB as their franchise.

I would have stomached another year of Cam if Bill traded up for Parsons though. In hindsight I wish that was the move

Don't forget, they did re-sign Newton, so maybe he wouldn't have viewed it as an urgent need and maybe that would have seen him move back and grab someone like Mills.

(Although, I still don't know why he re-signed Newton)

 

[ScottishPatriots]

I get that but Bill was the GM who signed off on all personnel so everyone was "his pick". If someone talked him into someone else, that's still BB's pick. Literally his job.

And he was correctly fired for it but that doesn't change our current issue that the same people involved in making those mistakes with him now have free reign to make more.

This years WR drafting is just more of the same crap with a different face at the front of the bad scouting and drafting.

 

[Ring 6]

Ok. If you came away believing he would have taken Maye at #3 overall, feeling he was worthy value-wise and talent-wise to warrant expending that high of a pick rather than trading back given all their other needs (knowing how he views draft choices), then we’ll have to agree to disagree.

As I said it gives no indication either way, he is reviewing the players film and commenting on it. Do you think he would have to ignore or lie about what development he needs in order the value him? You realize he did the same with every qb right?
Do you think that teams expect to pick QBs who are nfl ready and FA e no development at all required?

 

[TomPatriot]

Belichick said as much in the evaluation after the selection. My guess is a trade back and the selection of J.J. McCarthy which, given how he played in preseason, wasn't horrible, but the injury pushes his timeline back so we don't yet know how big of a talent gap there would have been there. Based on what we've seen so far, Maye was the better pick, but I highly doubt Belichick would have signed off on him. Again, that's based on his evaluation on the broadcast that night. His words, not mine.

I’d rather have Maye.

 

[Kdo5]

Wolfe did not have a good offseason. But it’s just that one offseason. Belichick’s final three seasons were chock full of draft duds and generally poor FA additions with a few exceptions such as Judon, Henry, Peppers.

I’m not on board the whole “fire everyone!” train. This organization needs some semblance of continuity especially with a promising young QB.

If he flops again next offseason I’ll be on the train.

 

[Ian]

As I said it gives no indication either way, he is reviewing the players film and commenting on it. Do you think he would have to ignore or lie about what development he needs in order the value him? You realize he did the same with every qb right?
Do you think that teams expect to pick QBs who are nfl ready and FA e no development at all required?

I guess the overall point is that I don't think Bill would have drafted him. If you do - especially at #3 overall - that goes against every philosophy Bill has ever expressed. That's a massive amount of capital on a guy he showed zero sign of being enamored with. He had a far more glowing mention of McCarthy than Maye, which makes me believe he would have parlayed those picks into more draft capital and moved down. But if you honestly think Bill would have taken Maye at #3, to each his own.

 

[Ring 6]

I guess the overall point is that I don't think Bill would have drafted him. If you do - especially at #3 overall - that goes against every philosophy Bill has ever expressed. That's a massive amount of capital on a guy he showed zero sign of being enamored with. He had a far more glowing mention of McCarthy than Maye, which makes me believe he would have parlayed those picks into more draft capital and moved down. But if you honestly think Bill would have taken Maye at #3, to each his own.

How does drafting a QB at 3 when you need a qb go against everything he has ever expressed? When has he said QBs don’t matter?

I don’t know who he would have taken, I can’t read his mind. You are the one trying to do that. The only point in guessing at that is to try to create a positive spin on Wolf taking the guy everyone knew he should in order to try to cover up that every other thing he has done has been awful. “Yeah if we kept belichick we wouldn’t have Maye” just isn’t being serious.

 

[Ring 6]

Wolfe did not have a good offseason. But it’s just that one offseason. Belichick’s final three seasons were chock full of draft duds and generally poor FA additions with a few exceptions such as Judon, Henry, Peppers.

I’m not on board the whole “fire everyone!” train. This organization needs some semblance of continuity especially with a promising young QB.

If he flops again next offseason I’ll be on the train.

Why continue another year with incompetence.
It’s not a matter of “good offseason” or “bad offseason”. Everyone who picks players makes mistakes.
The issue is he has never done it before and pretty much whiffed in every single decision except the no brainer draft Maye.

Look across the roster at the players he acquired. He literally thought they were good players. He literally says the OL
was fine and had all the pieces and we now have 5 guys picked up off waivers and 2 maybe 3 of them starting. You can’t miss by THAT much.

He had almost the worst offense in the league and was handed Drake Maye and with all of the other picks (and he owed them on offense) and $100,000,000 in cap space he couldn’t make the offense better.
Being asked to inprove a bottom level offenses, getting the Qb and having more resources than anyone is not a difficult job. He couldn’t even make it up to bottom 10.

He didn’t catch Carolina, the Raiders, Cleveland or Jacksonville to name a few that he should have been able to surpass in his sleep with those resources.

On defense he had a good foundation and basically ignited it and let it fall apart. The only additions were takitaki and Hawkins who don’t belong on the field.



Other then “it’s only 1 year” I cannot point to a single thing he has done that tells me he has a clue how to build a footbal team. I can accept bad decisions, everyone makes them, but this appears to be a guy who doesn’t have the basic understanding of what a good football decision is.