Patriots Player Departure LG Michael Jordan released

[Force Zero Boomer]

I think I understand what you're saying. Objective reasoning is like oh let's say cognac or bourbon, it isn't for everyone quite the way torches and pitchforks are

Objective reasoning followed by torches & pitchforks is exactly what we need.

 

[archstanton543]

Who is freaking out?

If this were an isolated incident, you would have a point.

It's just the latest example of a management team that is way over their heads.

The Pats cut players all the time. What are you talking about?

 

[turkeyneck]

Who is Strange?

"When you're strange, faces come out of the rain
When you're strange, no one remembers your name
When you're strange, when you're strange
When you're strange"

 

[upstater1]

Exactly. Keeping Sow and not Jordan makes me think the front office views him as having better long term upside. If Sow has better long term upside then he should have gotten snaps over Jordan.

Pats need to be developing young talent during the rebuild, starting a journeyman that they don’t feel strongly enough to keep on the roster is stupid. If this is how the team feels about Jordan he should have never been playing in the first place.

Because this doesn't make any sense, as you lay it out, then it has got to be something else. Like playing hardball with the roster and telling them they better perform or else they are out on their ear.

Of course, it's late November and all these contracts are practically guaranteed, so as far as incentive goes, these players are not really too worried about being cut with one month left to go.

This may be the hardass way of coaching where players are always in fear of their jobs. I think we had a guy that coached that way once. There were no pom-poms in his office, those were cleared out back in 1999.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Continuity? What continuity?

A big storyline this year has been lack of continuity on the OL. There's been a carousel of players in, out and off the team. Continuity on the OL yields better play (or do you dispute that?). Cycling out another starter works against continuity. Sure, it happens due to injury, but this is intentional. The team should be striving toward having a stable line, no? I'm not sure why I have to explain this.

 

[Family]

The Pats cut players all the time. What are you talking about?

What are you talking about?

Name the last young player who was cut 2/3rds of the way into the season and had played 87% of the snaps?

 

[archstanton543]

A big storyline this year has been lack of continuity on the OL. There's been a carousel of players in, out and off the team. Continuity on the OL yields better play (or do you dispute that?). Cycling out another starter works against continuity. Sure, it happens due to injury, but this is intentional. The team should be striving toward having a stable line, no? I'm not sure why I have to explain this.

The line is already a hot mess. They literality can't get any worse. They've had the most O-line combinations throughout the season. Complaining that getting rid of Jordan is going to ruin their non-existent continuity is baffling.

 

[archstanton543]

What are you talking about?

Name the last young player who was cut 2/3rds of the way into the season and had played 87% of the snaps?

He's not a good player. What's so hard to understand about that? Yeah, he played a lot of snaps because the Pats have no other player to play those snaps.

Jordan isn't a good player (nor is he young in football years). He's been cut by 4 teams including the Pats.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth over this move is ridiculous.

 

[Ring 6]

Freaking out for freaking out's sake right here, folks.

We are 3-9, the team appears to have no direction, they seem to have no clue how to evaluate players.
Every week there are new reasons to be concerned the team is being run by incompetent people.
You seem to be happy with that. Why?

 

[Ring 6]

The line is already a hot mess. The literality can't get any worse. They've had the most O-line combinations throughout the season. Complaining that getting rid of Jordan is going to ruin their non-existent continuity is baffling.

They can’t get worse? They just decided the guy they felt was so much better than his backups that he played every snap he was healthy. By definition either they just got worse or the people deciding who plays don’t know what they are doing.

 

[archstanton543]

We are 3-9, the team appears to have no direction, they seem to have no clue how to evaluate players.
Every week there are new reasons to be concerned the team is being run by incompetent people.
You seem to be happy with that. Why?

It is what it is. I'm just a fan. Am I happy with how things are going this season? No, but I expected them to suck this year.

Getting rid of a bad player doesn't upset me. I don't care if he played 99.9% of the snaps or .001% of them.

 

[Ring 6]

He's not a good player. What's so hard to understand about that? Yeah, he played a lot of snaps because the Pats have no other player to play those snaps.

Jordan isn't a good player (nor is he young in football years). He's been cut by 4 teams including the Pats.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth over this move is ridiculous.

If they had no other player capable of playing there snaps, why are they keeping all those incapable players and elevating one to starter?

 

[archstanton543]

If they had no other player capable of playing there snaps, why are they keeping all those incapable players and elevating one to starter?

Alright, I'm getting off the crazy train. This is my stop. It's the holiday week. I'm all full up on nonsense for the day. I need to save room for Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow.

 

[Ring 6]

It is what it is. I'm just a fan. Am I happy with how things are going this season? No, but I expected them to suck this year.

Getting rid of a bad player doesn't upset me. I don't care if he played 99.9% of the snaps or .001% of them.

No one expected the dysfunction we are seeing.

One of 2 things happened.
1) they played Jordan every snap he was healthy despite him not being the best player for the job or
2) they just cut a player better than the ones they didn’t cut and will be starting a worse player to protect the franchise Qb for no real reason

Either indicate poor decision making.
Do you have no concern if the people making decisions can’t make good ones?

 

[Ring 6]

Alright, I'm getting off the crazy train. This is my stop. It's the holiday week. I'm all full up on nonsense for the day. I need to save room for Thanksgiving dinner tomorrow.

I’ll take that as your admission that you realize your argument stinks. Running away is a wise choice.

 

[Family]

He's not a good player. What's so hard to understand about that? Yeah, he played a lot of snaps because the Pats have no other player to play those snaps.

Jordan isn't a good player (nor is he young in football years). He's been cut by 4 teams including the Pats.

The wailing and gnashing of teeth over this move is ridiculous.

Let me make this clearer. It's not about Jordan. He sucked. We agree.

It's about a management team that goes into the wind in OT, challenges plays when you can't win, if you win, and calls players soft, then backs off.

Life is about patterns, not a one dimensional "I don't agree" button.

 

[Ross12]

I just feel like this is another sign of awful coaching.

The starter was supposed to be Sidy Sow, who was solid last year, but this year somehow became terrible. So they pivoted to Michael Jordan who for whatever reason was solid (to our surprise), but as time passed he slowly became terrible too.

There’s a trend here. They claimed Ben Brown and brought him over, and he was surprisingly competent, but after a few weeks he’s started to look a bit bad. Onwenu has not been nearly the player he used to be at RG or RT either. Demontrey Jacobs had an acceptable debut game but has gotten worse over time. The only guy who (IMO) has been fairly steady is Lowe, but he’s been a bit of a penalty machine at times.

Now the apparent fix for Jordan’s poor play is to cut him in favor of claiming some PS player from somewhere else who has yet to be coached by this organization.

Is it not a hallmark of bad or inept coaching to take players you haven’t worked with before with a certain talent level and slowly make them worse?

 

[Family]

I just feel like this is another sign of awful coaching.

The starter was supposed to be Sidy Sow, who was solid last year, but this year somehow became terrible. So they pivoted to Michael Jordan who for whatever reason was solid (to our surprise), but as time passed he slowly became terrible too.

There’s a trend here. They claimed Ben Brown and brought him over, and he was surprisingly competent, but after a few weeks he’s started to look a bit bad. Onwenu has not been nearly the player he used to be at RG or RT either. Demontrey Jacobs had an acceptable debut game but has gotten worse over time. The only guy who (IMO) has been fairly steady is Lowe, but he’s been a bit of a penalty machine at times.

Now the apparent fix for Jordan’s poor play is to cut him in favor of claiming some PS player from somewhere else who has yet to be coached by this organization.

Is it not a hallmark of bad or inept coaching to take players you haven’t worked with before with a certain talent level and slowly make them worse?

More is less.

Like the coaching staff.

 

[maust]

Objective reasoning followed by torches & pitchforks is exactly what we need.

Whatever works for you. As for me, with the way this season has gone I'm probably just gonna cut to the chase and go with the bourbon

 

[Hugepatsfan]

I believe Layden Robinson was a pure RG in college who might not have adjusted well to the left side. Sow player left guard in college so he should be fine there even though he was a RG last year. But both of those guys are really gap scheme blockers who are probably adjusting to the new system.

It seems weird to be cutting the starter instead of the backups. But I guess I can kind of see the logic. It’s possible that they think Sow and Robinson have better long term potential if they adjust to a new scheme for them, but that if they cut those guys a gap scheme team might pick them up. Whereas Jordan might be the better option right now because more scheme familiarity/comfort but has limited long range potential.