Wolf has made worse GM decisions than post Brady BB

[Real fan 02]

I never really look for rookies to be spectacular in year one at the WR position. That's just something I've become accustomed too being a patriots fan. Of this FAs listed KJ won't be here, I don't know on Hawkins, and my guy gibby has been being mis-used for the most part.



I believe drakes demeanor and his moxy are what make him the type of QB to make it here. He knows exactly what he has around him and what he will need to be able to maximize his full potential. I really feel confident that some big pieces will be added around him to help him. Let's be honest they have too thier jobs are on the line.

On simply becuase he'd have to hire a whole new staff from GM down to position coaches after just one season. Then again he was ready to fire bill at the beginning of the 01 season..

 

[sb1]

Given everything we seen for 20 years there's no way Tyquan Thornton was a Bill Belichick pick.

I get that but Bill was the GM who signed off on all personnel so everyone was "his pick". If someone talked him into someone else, that's still BB's pick. Literally his job.

 

[Real fan 02]

I get that but Bill was the GM who signed off on all personnel so everyone was "his pick". If someone talked him into someone else, that's still BB's pick. Literally his job.

Agreed. Wolf will be aggressive and get talent back in Foxboro.. I know everyone's calling for he and Mayo to go.. but I've maintained no one is going anywhere. Next season is the clock for everyone. With a much better roster and if it still looks this way then yeah change will come.

 

[sb1]

Even worse than BB the GM
Unacceptable and he does not deserve another year. Team will not have a successful rebuild with this kind of decision making

Draft picks:

Drake Maye- A
Jaa"Lynn Polk- C- (passed on Mcconkey)
Caeden Wallace C-
Javon Baker D
Layden Robinson C
Joe Milton C
Marcellus Dial C-
Jaheim Bell C-

Hard to judge draft picks with less than a full season in.

In 2001 most would have said Mac Jones was an A/B+ pick especially since the Pats gave up nothing to get him. I don't think many people would say that anymore.

Free Agents:

Jacoby Brissett- C+

KJ Osborn D
Sione Takitaki- C-
Austin Hooper B
Antonio Gibson C-
Chukwuma Okorafor F
Armon Watts F
Nick Leverett F
Jaylin Hawkins C-

Chuks, Watts and Leverett are gone so yeah they have to be F.

I'd go a little higher for Gibson. The rest look about right. Brissett might have been a good signing but I don't think anyone thought the offense would regress with him like they did.

 

[Hugepatsfan]

They spent over 25 mill on brissett, Bourne, Osborne, Gibson, chunks, leverrete, Hooper and almost and another 20 on Henry, Stevenson and Onwenu. That’s 45 mill spent and 6 draft picks used on offense and despite the rookie qb looking good we have remained 31st in points and dropped from 30 to 32 in yards.

$25M on Bourne/Brissett/Gibson/Chunks/Leverette is NOTHING in NFL money. And most of that $25M went to Brissett and Bourne. Brissett signed for scraps based on what the QB market is. They needed to sign a vet backup and got one that's very cheap. Signing a stop gap/backup QB is not a move designed to help you win games. You know that. Bourne got basically a one year deal covering the year where he would be recovering from a torn ACL. It's pretty known that most guys struggle in year 1. Their outside WR depth chart was totally empty entering the offseason so they re-signed the only one on their team from the last few years worth being on the team, which makes sense. The other guys were all practically minimum signings, besides Gibson who was still very low cost. Nothing more than shots in the dark to round out the roster and compete for spots. Those aren't serious investments at all.

Henry has been really good this year. Onwenu hasn't given up a sack last I read. Stevenson has struggled at time but he's been great after contact which shows that a lot of it is the team around him vs. himself (besides the fumbling of course). I'd call $20M on those 3 pretty well-spent money.

They're sitting on $40M of cap space. That's a team not taking this year seriously. Football is a team sport, if you let your roster be so weak overall because you're not spending then it makes even the good pieces look worse (not that we have too many good pieces). They didn't spend enough to where they realistically could have been expected to fill much of the roster with legit pieces. And it's fair to question that organizational decision, but with that being the decision it's inconsistent to then question why the results are bad. Of course they are! Their plan was to punt on the year. You can't hire the GM who presents that plan to you and then be surprised when the team is bad.

 

[TheRainMaker]

BB owns the horrendous drafting - there the drafting mistakes are fixed going forward. Just blame BB and the problems all go away.

It still amazes me that Bob truly thought firing Bill for Mayo and Wolf was going solve their problems.

Hard to judge draft picks with less than a full season in.

In 2001 most would have said Mac Jones was an A/B+ pick especially since the Pats gave up nothing to get him. I don't think many people would say that anymore.

This is a plug and play league given the amount of turnover and rules favoring offense. If players can't get on the field (especially on a bad team) and/or show upside, they probably never will.

Also...2001?

 

[Patsfan1645]

Saying "he owns it" does not recognize the problem. Who cares about the past and who owns what? That will not impact getting back to the SB. What will impact being a winning team is not repeating the same stupid scouting mistakes because "BB owns" the past mistakes so we have to make new mistakes in order to recognize there is a problem. So ridiculous. The guys that were under BB are still employed by the Pats and making the same stupid mistakes with the same stupid scouting methodology. When will the ownership stop the same people from making the same stupid mistakes? When looking forward, let's hope RK and JK are smarter than the posters here who are looking to blame the past coaching.

The thread I replied to said no way TT was BB choice when he was the HC and GM....its his. I dont care about the past either as its in the past but dont make excuses and paint a picture that leads one to believe BB didnt have his hands all over every aspect of the team so the buck stops with him. I agree though that we have a lot of the status quo for staff. I think most should be let go to include the owners selling the team simply because they stood by for years watching this slow train crash and did nothing but make matters worse.

 

[sb1]

It still amazes me that Bob truly thought firing Bill for Mayo and Wolf was going solve their problems.

This is a plug and play league given the amount of turnover and rules favoring offense. If players can't get on the field (especially on a bad team) and/or show upside, they probably never will.

Also...2001?

lol my bad. 2021

 

[Real fan 02]

It still amazes me that Bob truly thought firing Bill for Mayo and Wolf was going solve their problems.

This is a plug and play league given the amount of turnover and rules favoring offense. If players can't get on the field (especially on a bad team) and/or show upside, they probably never will.

Also...2001?

I've come around to think that if RK was quick on the draw to fire bill in the '01 season early on before we turned it around.. then I believe mayo gets to the beg of next season? What do you think on that?

 

[Ring 6]

$25M on Bourne/Brissett/Gibson/Chunks/Leverette is NOTHING in NFL money. And most of that $25M went to Brissett and Bourne. Brissett signed for scraps based on what the QB market is. They needed to sign a vet backup and got one that's very cheap. Signing a stop gap/backup QB is not a move designed to help you win games. You know that. Bourne got basically a one year deal covering the year where he would be recovering from a torn ACL. It's pretty known that most guys struggle in year 1. Their outside WR depth chart was totally empty entering the offseason so they re-signed the only one on their team from the last few years worth being on the team, which makes sense. The other guys were all practically minimum signings, besides Gibson who was still very low cost. Nothing more than shots in the dark to round out the roster and compete for spots. Those aren't serious investments at all.

Henry has been really good this year. Onwenu hasn't given up a sack last I read. Stevenson has struggled at time but he's been great after contact which shows that a lot of it is the team around him vs. himself (besides the fumbling of course). I'd call $20M on those 3 pretty well-spent money.

They're sitting on $40M of cap space. That's a team not taking this year seriously. Football is a team sport, if you let your roster be so weak overall because you're not spending then it makes even the good pieces look worse (not that we have too many good pieces). They didn't spend enough to where they realistically could have been expected to fill much of the roster with legit pieces. And it's fair to question that organizational decision, but with that being the decision it's inconsistent to then question why the results are bad. Of course they are! Their plan was to punt on the year. You can't hire the GM who presents that plan to you and then be surprised when the team is bad.

They spent 45 mill and 6 draft picks on offense.
We have just about the worst offense in the NFL.
You seem to think it was a good job.

Why would a team not take a season seriously?

 

[Ring 6]

On simply becuase he'd have to hire a whole new staff from GM down to position coaches after just one season. Then again he was ready to fire bill at the beginning of the 01 season..

Is it better to have another year of incompetence or to hire new people?

 

[Real fan 02]

Is it better to have another year of incompetence or to hire new people?

Should have just kept bill.

 

[The Gr8est]

And to think that broncos after expending valuable assets on Russell Wilson , Sean Payton and the massive dead cap with Wilson release and with an relatively inferior rookie QB than Maye look like playoff contenders in a season speaks volumes about our coaching , drafting and off-season .


Not sure how you can give maye and wolf 1 more season when broncos can do much more with less.

Do we want to allow Wolf and company to control the high draft picks we will have next year when his previous track record is so poor?

You hope you are not drafting this high year after year, and when you are, you can’t be botching the picks.

You never know how players will turn out, but trading a WR for two who can’t, and getting caught with your pants down when the run on tackles began, does not inspire confidence.

 

[Ross12]

I'll also throw in the fact that you can only pick the best of the worst groceries available with Mac Jones and Bailey Zappe as your QB, a no-name coach, and no skill players (we had no tight ends signed in March and a worse WR group than we have now...if that's even possible). So nobody wanted to come here. No amount of money was enough for that. I'm not making excuses, it's just reality. And if you read what I wrote today, I'm also not exactly giving the coaches a pass for what's going on here.

But free agent-wise, I really believe that will be different next March. I'd judge Wolf based on what he does next March forward. But they had no chance this past offseason from a free agent standpoint. And obviously, the results are what they are.

And it's a little early to judge the draft. Those always take a couple of years before you really have a sense of guys, especially later-round players. Polk is still figuring it out and I feel like he'll at least be more valuable than Thortnon, Wallace is hurt but he could be a future starter at RT if they take a LT next year. Bell might also pan out, and Robinson just needs to get stronger. So who knows.

I definitely understand the QB angle, but they have even worse than a no-name coach now - they have a known coach, who is now known to be bad. I am concerned that any gains Drake Maye gives them in the free agent market will be erased by Jerod Mayo being the HC.

 

[The Gr8est]

I definitely understand the QB angle, but they have even worse than a no-name coach now - they have a known coach, who is now known to be bad. I am concerned that any gains Drake Maye gives them in the free agent market will be erased by Jerod Mayo being the HC.

And maybe the Krafts are not desirable owners to work under?

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Do we want to allow Wolf and company to control the high draft picks we will have next year when his previous track record is so poor?

You hope you are not drafting this high year after year, and when you are, you can’t be botching the picks.

Bobby Grier says:
"Hold my beer"

 

[Ian]

I definitely understand the QB angle, but they have even worse than a no-name coach now - they have a known coach, who is now known to be bad. I am concerned that any gains Drake Maye gives them in the free agent market will be erased by Jerod Mayo being the HC.

It's an interesting point. I sort of wonder on the offensive side how that would go, because I don't know how AVP is viewed league-wide. He was highly touted by a lot of players, which at the time made it seem like a good pick. But I can't tell if he was just limiting Maye in the early going and that played a part in some of the playcalling, or if he really actually is not a good coordinator.

I'll give him some credit, he's evolved, but I think I'm more frustrated with Covington right now than I am with AVP. I wrote this in the thing a few dozen people read yesterday, but as good as he and Mayo might be from an defensive planning standpoint, I don't know how well he's seeing things in real-time because they've been so late in reacting. Sunday was a glaring example.

As for free agents, Mayo is a likable guy, and the players will likely help there provided they're on his side here. Unless there are whispers within the locker room that things are a mess and the finger is pointed at him when they're asked where the issue is. That's definitely the type of thing that would get around, but aside from that, I don't know - in the event there are any whispers - where the blame might be being placed at this point. But your point is absolutely a good one.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I get that but Bill was the GM who signed off on all personnel so everyone was "his pick". If someone talked him into someone else, that's still BB's pick. Literally his job.

But if you're the owner, don't you want to know who advised that pick to Bill and make sure you don't hand the charge card over to them?

 

[TheRainMaker]

I've come around to think that if RK was quick on the draw to fire bill in the '01 season early on before we turned it around.. then I believe mayo gets to the beg of next season? What do you think on that?

The team still had high expectation after the 1999 season. They regressed pretty badly in 2000 and it was going in that same direction in 2001 after they lost to a horrible Bengals team and then only scored 3 points at home against the Jets.

The turnaround happened because Tom Brady stabilized the QB position and they had a very easy schedule. In fact, 10 of their 16 games were against teams below .500. Even with Tom, they struggled against better competition going 2-3. Had Tom flamed out, Bill absolutely would've gotten fired. It happens to all coaches. No coach can survive without good QB play.

Now we have Mayo. Bob seemed to think if he were to remove Bill that Mayo would get this team back on track. That is complete nonsense and it's clear Bob just wants a puppet in Mayo. If Mayo can exceed Bill's 4 wins, then he'll get one more shot. But we all know they are lucky as hell to even have 3 wins at this point. Because they have become a laughing stock among the media and NFL, Bob is going to cut ties with Jerod after this season if they lose out.

 

[Real fan 02]

The team still had high expectation after the 1999 season. They regressed pretty badly in 2000 and it was going in that same direction in 2001 after they lost to a horrible Bengals team and then only scored 3 points at home against the Jets.

The turnaround happened because Tom Brady stabilized the QB position and they had a very easy schedule. In fact, 10 of their 16 games were against teams below .500. Even with Tom, they struggled against better competition going 2-3. Had Tom flamed out, Bill absolutely would've gotten fired. It happens to all coaches. No coach can survive without good QB play.

Now we have Mayo. Bob seemed to think if he were to remove Bill that Mayo would get this team back on track. That is complete nonsense and it's clear Bob just wants a puppet in Mayo. If Mayo can exceed Bill's 4 wins, then he'll get one more shot. But we all know they are lucky as hell to even have 3 wins at this point. Because they have become a laughing stock among the media and NFL, Bob is going to cut ties with Jerod after this season if they lose out.

Great stuff! I remember all of it too. I believe Drew had just gotten a contract extension too right? On Mayo your right Kraft wanted to take back control over his organization he knows Mayo a media friendly face and well spoken. I think Mayo's safe until next season. They will invest. Drake being developed is what's brought everyone Time. Everything else is shot to ****.