Pats front office at the deadline

[PatsFan2]

Boy we couldn't use a WR like him. Oh I forgot we have Slow Polk wouldn't want to hinder his stellar progress.

 

[PatsFan2]

Washington is a very desirable place players want to go there with the emergence of Daniels.

 

[Toofy]

Is kraft being cheap and not opening his purse...

 

[lancerman]

Brother honestly every WR here has suffered in this offense.. I'm willing to give polk and baker more time they are rookies and polk had been the best WR in camp and caught everything thrown to him. I think he will be fine.

The WR's here just aren't good. I mean Meyers was the best one we had and he's doing fine elsewhere. The ones we all thought were bad have floundered everywhere else. We knew Henry was a solid pass catching TE and he's been that.

It's not rocket science. We haven't aggressively prioritized getting pass catchers for a long time. We've been in free agency situations where we passed up on the guy people thought was the better acquisition and got someone else because they had more perceived value in their contract. We've let huge WR runs happen right in front of us in WR rich drafts and stayed put and then traded down because we didn't want to go get a guy and then they were all gone. We've gone against our scouting and paid for it drafting busts over the years. We've let the few solid guys we had go because we either scoffed at their new potential contract or thought their was value in trading them. Meyers like I said. But you could also look at Cooks where trading him instead of paying him started a long string of us struggling to replace him and find a quality receiver

It's been an open secret across the NFL that the Patriots haven't valued WR's all that much and then are dumbfounded each year when nobody respects their passing offense and it suffocates them. It's frankly been a joke that all year Patriots fans cry about WR's and then when it's time to get one they find excuses for why a guy is too expenses or don't want to give up assets to get one.

This is going to be a problem until they change how they value the position and also how they evaluate it. We've had more than enough evidence.

-Tom Brady who went on to win a SB a year later and was an MVP candidate the year after that looked washed in our offense in 2019.
-Drake Maye is having guys drop perfect passes and not get seperation despite being very accurate and buying time.

Between those bookends, we blamed the QB's for the lack of production for the WR's and said Cam/Mac were making everyone look worse. No the truth is the WR's have sucked a long time and made everyone look worse and we wanted the quickest fix, which was to say "it's the QB, let's blame them and get someone better". Now that Maye is here and he's looking good and still getting let down, people are finally waking up to the idea that there is a very serious problem with the talent on the offense that wasn't just about who the guy passing was.

 

[ScottishPatriots]

There's context to this.

1. Let's be real, Jayden Daniels is easily looking like the best QB drafted this year and he's actually in the discussion for MVP right now. He might actually be having the best rookie season we've seen in the modern era. We couldn't get him and it was unrealistic for any team to expect that outcome regardless of who they took. Even Washington didn't think he'd be this.

2. The NFL is lopsided towards offense. The Commanders weakness was defense. The Patriots defense was offense. Their new QB was not in as bad of a situation as New England. Before free agency and the draft New England was widely regarded as the worst situation for a rookie QB due to the lack of talent on offense, the lack of consistency in offensive coaching, and the track record they had since 2019.

3. This is going to sound like cop out. But the Commanders schedule has been pretty easy. They beat the Bengals who we beat. The Giants, Panthers and Browns who they played are Patriots level dumpsterfires and as bad or worse than anybody we played. That's 5 wins out of their 7 that the Patriots would have good odds at getting if they played all those teams. You are talking all teams competing for the number 1 overall. Arizona and Chicago are there their only respectable wins and those are still middle of the pack teams that.

The Commanders did have a better free agency, I won't debate that. But their results are just as much luck of the draw than anything else.

I don have a major issue that we kept Wolf who has been part of the front office while we've been failing for years in talent acquisition and that we got rid of Belichick to hire someone on his coaching tree who coached under him. But there's far more to what's going on to account for the differences of the two teams right now.

You can only beat who's on your schedule, the Pats have played The Titans, Jaguars and Dolphins who are 3-19 against the rest of the league and not won a game against any of them.

 

[Hyped]

???

I have exactly ZERO question with regards to where Strange plays when he is healthy. If he is healthy, he is by far the best LG that we have for 2024 and 2025.

Are you saying that you think that we should be starting Sow or Jordan over Strange?

Strange apparently is the heir apparent to David Andrews. That was widely reported a few weeks back when David Andrews went on I/R.

 

[lancerman]

Is kraft being cheap and not opening his purse...

The Patriots have 2 wins. This is not the type of team that are historically buyers at the deadline.

The teams that buy are ones that are either

1. Already contenders and are trying to close some gaps in their roster while they still have a chance.
2. Teams like Washington that didn't expect to be in the mix and see a chance and want to aggressively amp up their roster while they see a window this year.

Teams like the Patriots that aren't going to make the playoffs are typically sellers who are looking at a longterm approach because there is no urgency to stock up for the playoffs this year. Getting draft assets for guys that are older and aren't part of the longterm vision is usually the motion. That's why the Saints are selling. They know they are about to be in a decent sized rebuild and guys like Lattimore aren't useful to them because they will be much older when the team has any shot of being relevant again and they don't want to pay for that.

 

[captain stone]

I’d check off Corner from that list.

You need at least 2 of them, plus a Slot CB.

 

[Love The Drake]

Another poster who thinks that there is a rule that allows the patriots to force trades and to force players to sign good deals with us.

He went for a third

 

[Toofy]

The Patriots have 2 wins. This is not the type of team that are historically buyers at the deadline.

The teams that buy are ones that are either

1. Already contenders and are trying to close some gaps in their roster while they still have a chance.
2. Teams like Washington that didn't expect to be in the mix and see a chance and want to aggressively amp up their roster while they see a window this year.

Teams like the Patriots that aren't going to make the playoffs are typically sellers who are looking at a longterm approach because there is no urgency to stock up for the playoffs this year. Getting draft assets for guys that are older and aren't part of the longterm vision is usually the motion. That's why the Saints are selling. They know they are about to be in a decent sized rebuild and guys like Lattimore aren't useful to them because they will be much older when the team has any shot of being relevant again and they don't want to pay for that.

No I get that in the current context .but on broader basis be it how they hire coaches or looking to add cornerstone players we Are super conservative. We have the QB of future now. The purse strings ought to be opened if we can get maye the support he needs now for instance dj humphries if he is even a half decent tackle we should sign him for this year.


We just seem to be settling for scrap heaps.

 

[lancerman]

You can only beat who's on your schedule, the Pats have played The Titans, Jaguars and Dolphins who are 3-19 against the rest of the league and not won a game against any of them.

Sure. But the Pats also played the 49'ers, Seahawks, and Texans. Those are 3 pretty much guaranteed losses.

If you flipped schedules. The Pats are probably going to be a lot closer to .500 right now. The Giants x2, Panthers, Browns have been bottom feeders and frankly are worse than the Dolphins and Jaguars if you look at any metric beyond pure record. So you're looking at 4 teams we should at minimum be 50/50 odds against and a team we beat.

There's very little doubt if you swap schedules, we have a better record than what we have now.

 

[Real fan 02]

The WR's here just aren't good. I mean Meyers was the best one we had and he's doing fine elsewhere. The ones we all thought were bad have floundered everywhere else. We knew Henry was a solid pass catching TE and he's been that.

It's not rocket science. We haven't aggressively prioritized getting pass catchers for a long time. We've been in free agency situations where we passed up on the guy people thought was the better acquisition and got someone else because they had more perceived value in their contract. We've let huge WR runs happen right in front of us in WR rich drafts and stayed put and then traded down because we didn't want to go get a guy and then they were all gone. We've gone against our scouting and paid for it drafting busts over the years. We've let the few solid guys we had go because we either scoffed at their new potential contract or thought their was value in trading them. Meyers like I said. But you could also look at Cooks where trading him instead of paying him started a long string of us struggling to replace him and find a quality receiver

It's been an open secret across the NFL that the Patriots haven't valued WR's all that much and then are dumbfounded each year when nobody respects their passing offense and it suffocates them. It's frankly been a joke that all year Patriots fans cry about WR's and then when it's time to get one they find excuses for why a guy is too expenses or don't want to give up assets to get one.

This is going to be a problem until they change how they value the position and also how they evaluate it. We've had more than enough evidence.

-Tom Brady who went on to win a SB a year later and was an MVP candidate the year after that looked washed in our offense in 2019.
-Drake Maye is having guys drop perfect passes and not get seperation despite being very accurate and buying time.

Between those bookends, we blamed the QB's for the lack of production for the WR's and said Cam/Mac were making everyone look worse. No the truth is the WR's have sucked a long time and made everyone look worse and we wanted the quickest fix, which was to say "it's the QB, let's blame them and get someone better". Now that Maye is here and he's looking good and still getting let down, people are finally waking up to the idea that there is a very serious problem with the talent on the offense that wasn't just about who the guy passing was.

You make perfect sense. I. Just willing to give more time for polk.and baker.. they're drafted into terrible situations offensively. I think they have a chance to get better and grow with Drake

 

[Real fan 02]

In 2035 Wolf is probably holding out for 2034: you know the saying better year early than a year late.

 

[lancerman]

No I get that in the current context .but on broader basis be it how they hire coaches or looking to add cornerstone players we Are super conservative. We have the QB of future now. The purse strings ought to be opened if we can get maye the support he needs now for instance dj humphries if he is even a half decent tackle we should sign him for this year.


We just seem to be settling for scrap heaps.

Anything you get right now is going to cost draft capital and be relatively short term deals that you will have to pay for this off season or next off season at the latest. Which is why the teams doing it are the ones that are looking at this years playoffs. Yes in the off season when guys hit free agency, we should start paying them to come here longterm for Maye on offense.

 

[Love The Drake]

It’s quiet the Patriots are in convos about who?
Higgins?
Metcalf?
Pickens?

Nelson Agholar? Lmao

 

[captain stone]

Except they chose the Falcons over the Bears for Judon even though the Falcons had a weak division with a strong roster and good QB and the Bears had a rookie QB and a bad coach in a tougher division. Might cost them 10 draft spots.

Didn't they let Judon choose. Geniuses.

I wrote at the time the trade was made that if Atlanta finishes with a better record than Chicago does, then Wolfie should be Fired.

I mean, he should be fired for multiple reasons, and this is yet another example why.

 

[PatsFan2]

It’s quiet the Patriots are in convos about who?
Higgins?
Metcalf?
Pickens?

Nelson Agholar? Lmao

That's funny they took Harry over Metcalf and Tyquan Thornton over George Pickens. IF we could turn back time.

 

[captain stone]

???

I have exactly ZERO question with regards to where Strange plays when he is healthy. If he is healthy, he is by far the best LG that we have for 2024 and 2025.

Are you saying that you think that we should be starting Sow or Jordan over Strange?

Left Guard is the Least of this offensive Line's problems.

 

[50-yard-line]

BB had First shot at him not many moons ago and let him leave the Building.

He's not the guy he was, of course, but he's still a top-end WR, particularly with a guy like Mahomes.

Josh Allen was meh until Diggs came to town. The Pats NEED that desperately. hopkins wouldn't have been my first choice - he'll be nearly done by the time Maye matures, but DON'T GIVE HIM TO MAHOMES!

 

[captain stone]

???
So, you want to sit one of our best prospects on the OL in order to have Jordan start?

To be clear, Jordan is NOT a young developing player. He is a career backup at best, and I am glad to have him.

My OL priorities for the rest of the year are to give development time to Lowe, Brown and Jacobs.

What does Low, Brown & Jacobs have to do with Jordan?