Why don't any of you have patience?

[A.C Vegas]

The Jets are that bad.

And that is the **** mean. People like you just can not give credit. They beat a team that has more on field talent coaching aside they have better WR, a better OL better QB and better DL and they beat them with a back and they jets definitely had calls go their way.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

And that is the **** mean. People like you just can not give credit. They beat a team that has more on field talent coaching aside they have better WR, a better OL better QB and better DL and they beat them with a back and they jets definitely had calls go their way.

You can also say the Pats beat the Jets because the Jets' kicker missed an easy FG and extra point.

 

[lancerman]

You can also say the Pats beat the Jets because the Jets' kicker missed an easy FG and extra point.

I mean you could also say the Pats defense got a stop to prevent a touchdown drive and also a sack to push the kick further back to make it harder than a chip shot. The Jets did play poorly, but the Pats WR's dropped so many balls, that they really should have run away with the game by that point.

 

[Thelonious]

There are objective evaluations to be made with respect to the elements in place and not in place as the team continues (if that is the word) its rebuild. A willingness to make such progress in those evaluations as is possible at any given point in time is not evidence of impatience. Mayo, for example. to cite but one matter on which evaluation is required, either is or is not - one must eventually determine - the man for the job. While it would be an example of irresponsible impatience to say at this point that he is not - or that he is - it is entirely responsible to examine the evidence on an ongoing basis as to whether he is or is not, Any honest observer - notwithstanding the overblown giddiness associated with Sunday's win - will acknowledge that evidence to date suggests that he might not be. It is indeed too early to form a final judgment, but to indulge delusions, pom-poms in hand, or to whine about those who take note of the facts of the situation, is not evidence of "allegiance to the team" or some such horseshit: it is merely foolish.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Thought this was interesting from Lazar:

the Patriots veterans called a Thursday meeting to address the need for players to do more on and off the field. Although nothing was confirmed, there were rumors about players straying from the program and more noise created by players speaking to the media. Again, this was all speculative, but a narrative was growing around the team that the train was coming off the tracks.

 

[borg]

The Jets did play poorly, but the Pats WR's dropped so many balls, that they really should have run away with the game by that point.

One could argue that Pats WR drops are more the norm than the outlier.
Polk concurs.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Thought this was interesting from Lazar:

Adversity can be a powerful change agent. The season will be successful if the locker room transitions from a collection of individuals into a team where all for one and one for all is the norm. My prediction is that the Pats will insist on being introduced as a team for the 2025 Super Bowl!

 

[mike_usagisan]

Adversity can be a powerful change agent. The season will be successful if the locker room transitions from a collection of individuals into a team where all for one and one for all is the norm. My prediction is that the Pats will insist on being introduced as a team for the 2025 Super Bowl!

Yeah, there was a report earlier that a lot of the veteran leaders are out injured which hit the locker room culture pretty hard. So it's nice to see the other vets stepping up and pulling the team together.

 

[Huckleberry1]

We aren't building a championship team. We are trying to get back to being an 8 or 9 win team.

Patience is fine. As long as there is a reason to be patient. Give me a reason, show me growth, show me something and I will be patient. But it takes more than adding one guy. You might not hit on everyone, but you gotta try. But don't serve me up a **** sandwich and expect me to say "delish, more please..."

You don’t strive for 8-9, you put the right pieces in place every chance you get, and the 2024 free agent market wasn’t one where you could get significant players and sign them to big contracts, it was one where jag players were getting paid like A-Listers, so wasting money in that market would have been stupid. I’m fine with where they are at right now, it’s next season where I expect more, and then I expect play offs in 26’, if not 25 as a wild card.

 

[NFL Mystique]

If the team isn't SB contenders with Maye by 2028, things will have really gone off the rails.

That's four drafts, signings, and trade periods to get things back on track.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes it is! Especially considering the track record of this team when it comes to WR.

You ***** and moan about a guy like CR, but its okay to bring in Osborn?

Young guys who can't catch a football. What was it today? as many drops as catches? Ugh.

Yes. and you don't do that by doing what we did - which is nothing.

It is a race. Whether you like it or not, disagree with me or not, this is a results driven league. You want the high end free agent to look your way? You have to be better than being a 2 win team to do that. If we have to spend that precious cap space to achieve that, then spend. I will never understand the purse wringing when it comes to dollars. Its not your money. It has zero effect on you. Just remember being cheap cost us Brady. Kraft should have stepped up to the plate and paid him to ensure he stayed here for his whole career. This nickle and dime-ing crap needs to stop.

Right now? They look and play like a 2-3 win team. That's their future unless things change.

There is nothing wrong with being critical. And nothing I say, or anything that anyone else says, will change how business is done One Patriot Place.

Osborne got paid a fraction of what Ridley did, and my biggest criticism of Wolf was that he actually tried to get Ridley, which would have been a massive mistake. And I’m fine with criticism, I just think much of it here is misplaced. I think they were playing soft, and that it was Mayo’s fault, as it’s his job to motivate them to play hard every down. I also think the OL sucks, and their coach has done a ****ty job to date. I also think they have had too many costly penalties, and that they should have kept Maye on the bench until they fixed the OL. What I don’t agree on is the idea that should have spent big bucks for mediocre players just to try and get 8 wins. I think they should always make smart decisions on where they spend their big money, and that their win total for this year doesn’t matter, what matters is where they at as a team going into next season, and I will have much higher expectations for all of them at that point. They have their franchise QB, which is the most important piece in building a contender, now they have to be really smart in putting all the pieces around him to get to that level on a consistent basis. Only time will tell if they are successful or not, and this who believe that should have happened in 6 months are morons.

 

[Pape]

You don’t strive for 8-9, you put the right pieces in place every chance you get, and the 2024 free agent market wasn’t one where you could get significant players and sign them to big contracts, it was one where jag players were getting paid like A-Listers, so wasting money in that market would have been stupid. I’m fine with where they are at right now, it’s next season where I expect more, and then I expect play offs in 26’, if not 25 as a wild card.

Wasting money? Come on Ivan... You actually have to spend money to waste money...

The reality of the salary cap era - Every dollar not spent is wasted money... Wasted potential... Wasted Opportunity... Its meaningless if a guy gets "overpaid" when the cap keeps growing every year... The only thing unspent cap dollars mean more money in Krafts pocket.

We knew going into the season that we had a subpar roster. Unlike most franchises with new coaches etc, we have continuity in the front office... Wolf and Mayo have been here for years... They knew or should have known where the holes on the roster are... They did the bare minimum trying to plug those gaps... And you're fine with it... You might be fine with "where we are"... I'm not.

 

[Pape]

Osborne got paid a fraction of what Ridley did, and my biggest criticism of Wolf was that he actually tried to get Ridley, which would have been a massive mistake. And I’m fine with criticism, I just think much of it here is misplaced. I think they were playing soft, and that it was Mayo’s fault, as it’s his job to motivate them to play hard every down. I also think the OL sucks, and their coach has done a ****ty job to date. I also think they have had too many costly penalties, and that they should have kept Maye on the bench until they fixed the OL. What I don’t agree on is the idea that should have spent big bucks for mediocre players just to try and get 8 wins. I think they should always make smart decisions on where they spend their big money, and that their win total for this year doesn’t matter, what matters is where they at as a team going into next season, and I will have much higher expectations for all of them at that point. They have their franchise QB, which is the most important piece in building a contender, now they have to be really smart in putting all the pieces around him to get to that level on a consistent basis. Only time will tell if they are successful or not, and this who believe that should have happened in 6 months are morons.

all of that... and you're fine with where they are right now...

i can't see how anyone is fine with where they are right now.

 

[Wozzy]

One could argue that Pats WR drops are more the norm than the outlier.
Polk concurs.

One player is a player problem, every player is a coaching problem.

 

[Wozzy]

If the team isn't SB contenders with Maye by 2028, things will have really gone off the rails.

That's four drafts, signings, and trade periods to get things back on track.

Seriously... 2028?

This is the NFL, the hardest or ugliest part of the rebuild came in 2020 when they had to shed the third most dead cap in the NFL and say goodbye to all their old players. It doesn't take four years from now, eight years from that low point to improve into a contender.

They presumably have their QB of the future, Brissett showed yesterday with even a semblance of some blocking he can be a great backup. They should be winning now, if not now... next season for sure. Four years from now is nonsense.

 

[n1997y]

Seriously... 2028?

This is the NFL, the hardest or ugliest part of the rebuild came in 2020 when they had to shed the third most dead cap in the NFL and say goodbye to all their old players. It doesn't take four years from now, eight years from that low point to improve into a contender.

They presumably have their QB of the future, Brissett showed yesterday with even a semblance of some blocking he can be a great backup. They should be winning now, if not now... next season for sure. Four years from now is nonsense.

Jets have been rebuilding for decades…

 

[lancerman]

Wasting money? Come on Ivan... You actually have to spend money to waste money...

The reality of the salary cap era - Every dollar not spent is wasted money... Wasted potential... Wasted Opportunity... Its meaningless if a guy gets "overpaid" when the cap keeps growing every year... The only thing unspent cap dollars mean more money in Krafts pocket.

We knew going into the season that we had a subpar roster. Unlike most franchises with new coaches etc, we have continuity in the front office... Wolf and Mayo have been here for years... They knew or should have known where the holes on the roster are... They did the bare minimum trying to plug those gaps... And you're fine with it... You might be fine with "where we are"... I'm not.

No... Bad teams stay bad because they get desperate and waste money on mediocre and overrated talented out of a feeling that they need to do something just to do it. The truth is, alot of the people that fans here wanted us to get not only would have proven to be bad deals and not much if any improvement, they would have cost more and tied us up with them for longer. You just don't do that.

It's not about being fine with where we are. It's about not prolonging a problem by making dumb decisions. Anxiety inducing action is usually going to be the wrong move.

 

[lancerman]

Seriously... 2028?

This is the NFL, the hardest or ugliest part of the rebuild came in 2020 when they had to shed the third most dead cap in the NFL and say goodbye to all their old players. It doesn't take four years from now, eight years from that low point to improve into a contender.

They presumably have their QB of the future, Brissett showed yesterday with even a semblance of some blocking he can be a great backup. They should be winning now, if not now... next season for sure. Four years from now is nonsense.

It's still not a one year thing. 2026 is the earliest this team has a real shot at the Super Bowl. People are jerking it to the Bears and Washington. But they have been committing to a rebuild longer and they STILL aren't one of the teams that people expect to have a good shot at winning the Super Bowl this year. The offensive line won't rebuild itself overnight. Teams don't let young quality lineman go nowadays and there's only a few blue chip guys in the draft. Our entire WR room needs an overhaul.

 

[Pape]

No... Bad teams stay bad because they get desperate and waste money on mediocre and overrated talented out of a feeling that they need to do something just to do it. The truth is, alot of the people that fans here wanted us to get not only would have proven to be bad deals and not much if any improvement, they would have cost more and tied us up with them for longer. You just don't do that.

It's not about being fine with where we are. It's about not prolonging a problem by making dumb decisions. Anxiety inducing action is usually going to be the wrong move.

the roster was lacking.

the holes they filled were filled with subpar talent.

Okorafor? Osborne? come on... There were guys out there who were better options. They may have tried with Ridley... but zero results.

This team needs to change the way they approach free agency. Belichick is not here anymore. The coaching staff has yet to show it can coach up lower tiered players like BB was able to. Until that happens they will need to spend money.

The issue is this team does not want to spend money.

 

[Wozzy]

It's still not a one year thing. 2026 is the earliest this team has a real shot at the Super Bowl. People are jerking it to the Bears and Washington. But they have been committing to a rebuild longer and they STILL aren't one of the teams that people expect to have a good shot at winning the Super Bowl this year. The offensive line won't rebuild itself overnight. Teams don't let young quality lineman go nowadays and there's only a few blue chip guys in the draft. Our entire WR room needs an overhaul.

We first have to be honest with ourselves as fans... things take a long time when you rush out to sign Okorafor as an answer.

Good teams sign good players, they find other teams hidden gems and steal them when that team is in a little bit of a salary cap bind. It's what the dynasty did for decades, go out and find "value vet" free agents that other teams didn't covet as much and turn them into starters.

Nincovich, Vrabel, Welker, Rodney Harrison, pretty much the entire 2001 free agent class, Lawrence Guy and on and on and on... these guys were considered too old, they were late round picks or UDFA's by their prior teams so they were unknowns league wide. The Patriots recognized their talent, scouted their play on special teams or in spot duty and went out and signed them.

Wolf signed dogs... bad free agents. We need to be honest about who they're signing... start there. When I said Okorafor sucked this offseason, so many fans here jumped to his defense it was crazy, when I said relying on Lowe, Leverett or Jordan was a bad idea the same thing... fans here said I was wrong.

Bad players are bad players, true whether BB or Wolf signs them. The length of time it takes to turn this around depends on their ability to find and sign better players.

We suck right now because, despite having the most resources in the entire NFL this offseason... they signed bad players. Excuses for losers.