Belichick remarks on Mayo's "soft" comments on Pat McAfee Show - "They're not soft"

[Foxypats]

That's also Mac Jones fault like everything else in life.

Wow, are you really taking Mac’s side now with the sarcastic retort? I didn’t realize till just now how much you hate Bill. It makes me sad when some of the fans on this board speak so disparagingly about a legend in New England . Only our fan base….

 

[lancerman]

Wow, are you really taking Mac’s side now with the sarcastic retort? I didn’t realize till just now how much you hate Bill. It makes me sad when some of the fans on this board speak so disparagingly about a legend in New England . Only our fan base….

Mac sucked. Also a huge contingent on this board was saying Mac was so bad that he was the reason the team was losing and that we had a good team otherwise. Mac isn't here and the team is 1-6. Drake Maye is 0-2 and one of the worst teams in the league is counted in that.

Mac clearly wasn't the main culprit in the outcomes the team was getting. There was far more to it despite the people who wanted to believe it was a quick QB swap that would solve most problems.

 

[lancerman]

No we weren't; not by a damn sight.

The same people who believe that were the same people who said we would be contenders as long as we got rid of Cam and then as long as we got rid of Mac.

People can't accept how bad the roster is and how far this team has to go to be relevant.

 

[sb1]

Wow, are you really taking Mac’s side now with the sarcastic retort? I didn’t realize till just now how much you hate Bill. It makes me sad when some of the fans on this board speak so disparagingly about a legend in New England . Only our fan base….

I don’t hate Bill just the job that he did the last couple of seasons. He was terrible.

Yes it was sarcasm directed at the idea that the Pats were a contender if the QB was someone other than Jones. Plenty of cope from those folks now that they see this was just fantasy.

 

[signbabybrady]

Wow, are you really taking Mac’s side now with the sarcastic retort? I didn’t realize till just now how much you hate Bill. It makes me sad when some of the fans on this board speak so disparagingly about a legend in New England . Only our fan base….

He might be the boards biggest Bill hater. It's close between him and one or 2 others.

 

[signbabybrady]

Mac sucked. Also a huge contingent on this board was saying Mac was so bad that he was the reason the team was losing and that we had a good team otherwise. Mac isn't here and the team is 1-6. Drake Maye is 0-2 and one of the worst teams in the league is counted in that.

Mac clearly wasn't the main culprit in the outcomes the team was getting. There was far more to it despite the people who wanted to believe it was a quick QB swap that would solve most problems.

That's because ownership threw out the best thing we had going for us

 

[signbabybrady]

I don’t hate Bill just the job that he did the last couple of seasons. He was terrible.

Yes it was sarcasm directed at the idea that the Pats were a contender if the QB was someone other than Jones. Plenty of cope from those folks now that they see this was just fantasy.

 

[signbabybrady]

He might be the boards biggest Bill hater. It's close between him and one or 2 others.

@archstanton543 disagreed I guess that's his way of claiming the title all for his own.

 

[sb1]

That's because ownership threw out the best thing we had going for us

And then they had to watch him win a SB right away.

 

[lancerman]

That's because ownership threw out the best thing we had going for us

Pretty sure throwing out Tom Brady wasn't an ownership thing

 

[captain stone]

That's because ownership threw out the best thing we had going for us

Brady? I thought that was Bill...

 

[TheRainMaker]

Pretty sure throwing out Tom Brady wasn't an ownership thing

Why not? Bologna Bob knew what Tom was asking for and could've told Bill give him the extra year for $25M. I highly doubt Bill would've thrown a fit that he'd have to coach Tom for another couple years. However, it's a moot point because Brian Hoyer revealed Tom was planning his exit.

 

[captain stone]

Why not? Bologna Bob knew what Tom was asking for and could've told Bill give him the extra year for $25M. I highly doubt Bill would've thrown a fit that he'd have to coach Tom for another couple years. However, it's a moot point because Brian Hoyer revealed Tom was planning his exit.

Because Brady knew what Bill thought of his effectiveness as an NFL QB going forward; he might've also already noticed how many more draft whiffs were entering (and exiting) the building the past few years too... Oh yeah and that whole SB52 thingy...

 

[Foxypats]

I don’t hate Bill just the job that he did the last couple of seasons. He was terrible.

Yes it was sarcasm directed at the idea that the Pats were a contender if the QB was someone other than Jones. Plenty of cope from those folks now that they see this was just fantasy.

Sb1, yes you do. Let’s be honest about that. If it was only his coaching the last couple of years you didn’t like, then you would have been okay with the comments he has made this week ! You would actually appreciate them knowing how much he knows about football , his football IQ is so superior to most anybody . But you react negatively to anything related to Bill. Not just you , there are a few others and that is just something I can’t understanding.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Because Brady knew what Bill thought of his effectiveness as an NFL QB going forward; he might've also already noticed how many more draft whiffs were entering (and exiting) the building the past few years too... Oh yeah and that whole SB52 thingy...

Their relationship had deteriorated. Rumor was Tom was seriously considering retiring after the 2017 Super Bowl blunder.

Bledsoe recently revealed on Edelman's podcast that the Pats drafts in late 90's were "poor", so you know players are aware of the what the front office is doing with the team. The body language from Tom during the 2019 season was very uncharacteristic and looked like a guy who was going to leave in the off-season.

 

[catent]

BB is responsible for the state of the roster.

This is absolutely untrue. Wolf/Mayo had every opportunity to dump recent draft picks if they deemed them lacking in talent.

Dugger, Onwenu, Jennings, Tavai, Godchaux, Uche, all re-signed.

The state of the OL was often blamed on BB. It’s never been worse than it is under Wolf/Mayo (including several draft picks who’ve done nothing). Meanwhile, Cole Strange - the guy everyone loves to hate - is the guy folks are waiting on to help patch things up at OL.

The FA acquisitions have been completely unremarkable.

If Wolf/Mayo had truly turned over the roster and they still sucked on Sundays, fair, I can see folks giving them time and appreciating they’ve adopted a new way of evaluating talent. But they didn’t. They kept many of BB’s draft picks, and any new personnel have done nothing of note.

Wolf/Mayo have shaped this roster in their image. They chose to re-sign certain guys. They chose the FAs. They made the draft picks. The on-field product has never been worse, and clearly a cultural issue is festering in the locker room.

They deserve all the criticism they’re receiving.

 

[JPPT1974]

Bet due to age it would be very surprising but technically wouldn't be for BB to get another coaching job. As really hope that the team with Drake Maye at the helm will help save Mayo's job. Hey better late than never.

 

[sb1]

Sb1, yes you do. Let’s be honest about that. If it was only his coaching the last couple of years you didn’t like, then you would have been okay with the comments he has made this week ! You would actually appreciate them knowing how much he knows about football , his football IQ is so superior to most anybody . But you react negatively to anything related to Bill. Not just you , there are a few others and that is just something I can’t understanding.

I only react negatively to gaslighting about the state of the team today, how it got there and and how our previous QB was developed. Uninformed nonsense like this team was a contender and our previous QB was the one and only reason why they weren't is laughable.

I said many times he lost me for good with the MP/JJ hirings and he did a poor job ever since. I also don't think he knows anything more about the Patriots than anyone else does since he's no longer connected to the team.

Nobody is questioning Bill's credentials as a football guy.

 

[Real fan 02]

It’s really weird, when you think about it. They tried to keep the team as similar as possible, keep tons of the same players, as if they were trying to keep that core nucleus and retain that culture. But then Mayo was committed to also setting in a brand new, different, kinder, laid back culture…

So, what’s the point? Why retain all your own guys if you’re going to change the culture? Some of those guys will probably scoff at the new culture… Some will underperform because they needed to be driven harder like in the old culture to excel… It seems like a waste. You may as well have just tried to acquire the best players possible because they were all basically starting from ground zero anyway.

My best guess is that Wolf signed these guys assuming the culture would be similar and so Mayo would benefit from having guys return to back him up and reinforce that culture, but then Mayo went way off the reservation and did things “his way” instead.

Agreed. The team identified guys that would be part of the rebuild, as well as the culture going forward. Peppers, Barmore, Tavai, Bentley, rham, Dugger, ownenu. I believe ownership knows Mayo's a product of bill and the culture. Mayo didn't want to initially come into coaching bill convinced him to do so as he felt he'd make a great NFL coach one day. I don't personally have a problem with the guys re-upped. Your trying to start with a Need regime and identity leaders to carry on tradition. Next season was always the year We'd see any real progress. Drake playing and looking like a stud is a huge acceleration to where I'd thought he'd be right now as a player.

 

[Real fan 02]

Do you want the doomer answer?

They re-signed guys on short-term deals that wouldn't have necessarily gotten more anywhere but New England, so they paid market value contracts to fill roster spots, a) and b) did this to send signals to the fanbase that they were 'doing something' and 'signing their own', and 'spending money'.

It's funny how the 'The roster is Belichick's fault' contingent, are the same people that were just fine with these re-signings.

The regressions of Dugger and specifically Onwenu has been drastic. I think Godchaux's finally starting to be a true DT, but he's all alone out there. I thought Bentley was playing as well as he ever has until he got hurt. Jelani Tavai was so bad last week he got pulled.

The entire defense has regressed. Without a pass rush Dugger does not make the plays on the ball that he did before to make him a top 10 safety. The NFL is is next man up. However with a talent devoid roster and then loosing 3 of your better players on defense doesn't help. The last few seasons had nothing to do with coaching. Bill didn't forget how to coach neither has Mayo.. the teams they coached just have no talent.