Belichick remarks on Mayo's "soft" comments on Pat McAfee Show - "They're not soft"

[TommyD4207]

Tom e curran and perry , somehow come around to the fact the kraft started but they cant let go of eventually siding with krafts. Aside - this video curran says that mayo was made to drink the orange juice at the owners meeting to imitate bill ??? How lame is that

They don't want to lose their spots on The Committee - especially Curran.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Tom e curran and perry , somehow come around to the fact the kraft started but they cant let go of eventually siding with krafts. Aside - this video curran says that mayo was made to drink the orange juice at the owners meeting to imitate bill ??? How lame is that

And Curren at the end of his rant still blames Belichick for this mess instead of Mayo. Shocking he doesn’t hold accountability towards his friend the way he did towards Bill.

 

[archstanton543]

And Curren at the end of his rant still blames Belichick for this mess instead of Mayo. Shocking he doesn’t hold accountability towards his friend the way he did towards Bill.

BB is responsible for the state of the roster.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

My god that is embarrassing if it's true.

Mayo is his buddy. Mayo probably told Curren that himself.

Kraft is an embarrassment, and has been an embarrassment as an owner, who lucked into Bill and Brady. Without them, he’s Jerry Jones at best.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

BB is responsible for the state of the roster.

Bill didn’t force the team to resign almost all its free agents from a 4-13 team and bring in virtually no external help outside the draft. And outside of the QB, this draft ranks right up there so far with Bill’s worst.

 

[Real fan 02]

I am sure "playing soft" was what he meant - and he's not wrong. 18 runs in a row is an embarrassment.

Agreed I listened to the entire thing ty also said.. he mentioned that Bill ALWAYS deferred to earnie Adams on things. I thought Slater? Mcaddoo? Thought those were some guys he could lean on?

 

[Real fan 02]

Here's a bit from Perry (doing an ask me anything) on the "soft" thing...

Do you think Mayo has lost the room already with all of the players griping in public (Boutte being the latest?

Just speaking for myself as a fan.. I don't care if it was Tomlin or another coach calling out the team played soft.. if that doesn't motivate a player then they shouldn't be in the NFL.. lots or worse things get said then soft.. outspoken team leaders like Godchaux even agreed.

 

[SVN]

Agreed I listened to the entire thing ty also said.. he mentioned that Bill ALWAYS deferred to earnie Adams on things. I thought Slater? Mcaddoo? Thought those were some guys he could lean on?

Mayo's guy upstairs is Evan Rothstein

 

[203Pat]

Mayo is his buddy. Mayo probably told Curren that himself.

Kraft is an embarrassment, and has been an embarrassment as an owner, who lucked into Bill and Brady. Without them, he’s Jerry Jones at best.

I was always pretty pro-Kraft compared to most but these last few years he has really done himself no favors with the fanbase or even his image across the league. So much of what he has done and said the last few years has been incredibly transparent and self-serving. From him making sure it got out there that he wanted Brady to stay but Bill made the call, to the documentary which was just a PR campaign to get himself into the HOF. Kraft has really shown a very petty side during the this transition from Bill and it is a shame that the relationship between Bill and the team is so strained now.

 

[TommyD4207]

BB is responsible for the state of the roster.

lol no.


Edit: He was absolutely responsible for 4-13 last year. What he's not responsible for, is an entire draft, where you may have picked a QB, and no one else from the draft can either see the field, or play when they're on it - take a pass on the entire free agency period, and go into the opener with one of the worst offensive lines, if not the worst, that I've ever seen. Oh, and still be sitting on 50 million in cap space.

The front office made the one no-brainer pick, and whiffed on the rest of the draft and off-season. The roster wasn't going to be completely improved in one season, but they've actually gotten worse. But at least they signed all of BB's players from a 4-13 team the year before to short-term deals, so I guess there's that.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I was always pretty pro-Kraft compared to most but these last few years he has really done himself no favors with the fanbase or even his image across the league. So much of what he has done and said the last few years has been incredibly transparent and self-serving. From him making sure it got out there that he wanted Brady to stay but Bill made the call, to the documentary which was just a PR campaign to get himself into the HOF. Kraft has really shown a very petty side during the this transition from Bill and it is a shame that the relationship between Bill and the team is so strained now.

Yeah, I’m just venting a bit. The fact that Kraft didn’t extort the state and its taxpayers to build him a new stadium will always be a huge thing. It’s the stuff that’s going on now that you mention which has me all riled up. He’s certainly better than most owners, although that’s probably more of an indictment of most owners than true praise.

 

[203Pat]

lol no.

Bill isn't solely responsible for the roster but he definitely deserves some of the blame for the state of it.

 

[sb1]

This is your cope, hm?

?

If a team runs at you 18 times in a row it's because they can. Soft teams can't stop the run. Why do you think the Colts were mocked over the years for having a soft defense?

The last time teams did this to the Pats was 2002 and we know what that run D was like.

 

[203Pat]

Yeah, I’m just venting a bit. The fact that Kraft didn’t extort the state and its taxpayers to build him a new stadium will always be a huge thing. It’s the stuff that’s going on now that you mention which has me all riled up. He’s certainly better than most owners, although that’s probably more of an indictment of most owners than true praise.

Not going to lie, it worries me where Johnathan falls in all this. Billionaire's kids always seem to go through life acting like they hit a triple when they were born on third base. I would assume, as Robert is in his 80's, there is a transition plan that is already underway or imminent and the word is Johnathan and Robin Glaser are basically a tandem. I don't know where she falls into all this either as she has no football background. It seems to me like the Kraft's may be enjoying taking the reigns back but in doing so creating a mess in the chain of command.

 

[sb1]

Most people agree on this, btw.
That was January, though. This is now October.

Some fans think Bill should have stayed and gotten another shot at a rebuild. If he did there's no reason to think things would be better than they are right now - and why would Bill do that anyway when it's highly unlikely he would still be coaching in his mid-late 70's when the rebuild is completed.

 

[archstanton543]

I don't know where she falls into all this either as she has no football background. It seems to me like the Kraft's may be enjoying taking the reigns back but in doing so creating a mess in the chain of command.

She's a team lawyer who handles contracts and things like that. It's been reported before. She makes no personnel decisions. All teams have a lawyer or lawyers who do this. This is not something unique to the Pats.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

BB is responsible for the state of the roster.

While you gave me an Ugh for my response to this, I do want to note that the decision to fire or retain Mayo should have nothing to do with the state of the roster. I was responding to Curren’s take in the video, and Curren was discussing Mayo’s coaching acumen. And at the very end he deflected because he assumed Mayo was being judged on w/l results and that’s where the Bill comment came from.

I hope Curren is wrong here, because Mayo shouldn’t be judged on w/l at this point. Everyone knows the roster is lacking talent, regardless of what proportion one wants to assign Bill versus Wolf. I’m judging Mayo based on what he’s doing with the talent he has, and I hope Kraft is too. In 1993 and 2000 the team had horrible records and it extended into the beginning of the following year, but it was easy to see the culture being built and established, and when the light turned on, the team didn’t turn back (halftime of Vikings game in 1994, and when Brady, a QB who was listening to the offensive coaching unlike Drew, took over). The problem right now is we’re not seeing the culture being established, rather the opposite. When players didn’t compete hard or take to their coaching, they were benched then. Not really seeing it here yet, outside of Baker. You could see quality play designs and adjustments from the prior coaching staffs, even if it didn’t work due to lack of talent. We’re not seeing that here either.

That’s all on Mayo and has nothing to do with Bill. If they go 0-10 the rest of the way, but players are being held accountable, they’re playing for the team and not making business decisions, coaches are starting to make in game adjustments and improving play designs — if that happens and they go 0-10 just because all that wasn’t enough to overcome the talent deficiencies, I’m fully on board with Mayo continuing on. But if on December 24 all of those elements are the same as they are on October 24, that’s all on Mayo, and would make me want him gone next year.

 

[TommyD4207]

Some fans think Bill should have stayed and gotten another shot at a rebuild. If he did there's no reason to think things would be better than they are right now - and why would Bill do that anyway when it's highly unlikely he would still be coaching in his mid-late 70's when the rebuild is completed.

He had his shot at a rebuild in 2023, and they went 4-13. That's when most people got off the bus. Like, the vast majority were willing to say 'it's time'.

What they disagree with was the smear campaign afterwards, and completely whiffing on the draft and free agency except for Maye, and hiring a coaching staff that's completely in over their head.

'Hurr durr it's all Bill's fault' at this point is ridiculous, for that reason.

 

[Ross12]

Bill didn’t force the team to resign almost all its free agents from a 4-13 team and bring in virtually no external help outside the draft. And outside of the QB, this draft ranks right up there so far with Bill’s worst.

It’s really weird, when you think about it. They tried to keep the team as similar as possible, keep tons of the same players, as if they were trying to keep that core nucleus and retain that culture. But then Mayo was committed to also setting in a brand new, different, kinder, laid back culture…

So, what’s the point? Why retain all your own guys if you’re going to change the culture? Some of those guys will probably scoff at the new culture… Some will underperform because they needed to be driven harder like in the old culture to excel… It seems like a waste. You may as well have just tried to acquire the best players possible because they were all basically starting from ground zero anyway.

My best guess is that Wolf signed these guys assuming the culture would be similar and so Mayo would benefit from having guys return to back him up and reinforce that culture, but then Mayo went way off the reservation and did things “his way” instead.

 

[TommyD4207]

It’s really weird, when you think about it. They tried to keep the team as similar as possible, keep tons of the same players, as if they were trying to keep that core nucleus and retain that culture. But then Mayo was committed to also setting in a brand new, different, kinder, laid back culture…

So, what’s the point? Why retain all your own guys if you’re going to change the culture? Some of those guys will probably scoff at the new culture… Some will underperform because they needed to be driven harder like in the old culture to excel… It seems like a waste. You may as well have just tried to acquire the best players possible because they were all basically starting from ground zero anyway.

Do you want the doomer answer?

They re-signed guys on short-term deals that wouldn't have necessarily gotten more anywhere but New England, so they paid market value contracts to fill roster spots, a) and b) did this to send signals to the fanbase that they were 'doing something' and 'signing their own', and 'spending money'.

It's funny how the 'The roster is Belichick's fault' contingent, are the same people that were just fine with these re-signings.

The regressions of Dugger and specifically Onwenu has been drastic. I think Godchaux's finally starting to be a true DT, but he's all alone out there. I thought Bentley was playing as well as he ever has until he got hurt. Jelani Tavai was so bad last week he got pulled.