Belichick remarks on Mayo's "soft" comments on Pat McAfee Show - "They're not soft"

[Triumph]

Bill doing Mayo no favors with that commentary, not that he owes him or anything.

Kraft needs to hear it.

 

[signbabybrady]

Cut what off at 5? When I normally talk about the "rebuild" or at least Bill's rebuild I talk about post-Brady which would be 2020-2023. There are more than enough things Bill did in that span that should have gotten him fired.

Didn't have a backup plan for Brady (and don't give me the Jimmy G argument. He had 2.5 years to formulate a plan after he traded Jimmy) but pushed Brady out anyways.

Bill took the wrong QB and tried to build through free agency leading to a cheap pop but couldn't sustain it.

He completely mismanaged the guard situation between Thuney, Mason, Karras, and then that terrible Cole Strange pick.

Bad drafting.

Made a DC the OC and offensive line coach then engaged in a Cold War with anyone who didn't like the decision.

Hired a new OC but allegedly wouldn't let him pick his assistants.

The team, and the offense, basically got worse every year with Mac.

I am right there with you on where we are at with Mayo and how he was an underwhelming hire in the first place. Just because they picked the wrong successor doesn't mean we should have kept Bill.

6 years ago he won us a SB and he's gone now. During the span of that 6 years your list shows that there is one coach definitely better a few that are tied and a few more that are close and over 15 that are worse. I think you made my point thanks.

 

[lancerman]

I think at least a year for every SB ring they win seems fair.

In the past 6 seasons how many coaches have more playoff wins and appearances than Bill? Obviously Reid, Shanahan, and McVay but can't be that many more.

So he would have gotten fired at the end of this year instead. Bill had 4 years to rebuild post Brady. The last two were disasters. He embarrassed the team with his Patricia stunt.

He was given the rope to hang himself with and he did

 

[sb1]

John Harbaugh 5 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Mike McCarthy 3 postseason appearances, 1 win
Sean Payton 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Sean McVay 4 postseason appearances, 4 wins
Zac Taylor, 2 postseason appearances, 5 wins
Doug Pederson 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Sean McDermott 5 postseason appearances, 5 wins
Matt LeFleur 4 postseason appearances, 3 wins
Nick Sirianni 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Todd Bowles 2 postseason appearances, 1 win
Kevin Sefanski 2 postseason appearances, 1 win

And Bill was paid significantly more than any of them.

 

[lancerman]

6 years ago he won us a SB and he's gone now. During the span of that 6 years your list shows that there is one coach definitely better a few that are tied and a few more that are close and over 15 that are worse. I think you made my point thanks.

Doug Pederson was fired 3 years after winning a SB. Also Bill was the GM and the team was awful. And hell, even in 2018, we were seein the cracks of Bill the GM showing. Things ended well, but the offseason was a total circus and the team looked ****ty for a 2/3rds of the year

 

[sb1]

6 years ago he won us a SB and he's gone now. During the span of that 6 years your list shows that there is one coach definitely better a few that are tied and a few more that are close and over 15 that are worse. I think you made my point thanks.

Nah Bill was worse than most coaches the last 2 seasons and being paid $20M to be so.

 

[lancerman]

And Bill was paid significantly more than any of them.

And he was the GM. And he chose to get rid of the the GOAT QB. And he chose to not name a DC. And he chose to make Patricia the OC.

He got great leeway to make decisions those other coaches would never be allowed to make. That came with him having to answer for a lot more.

 

[sb1]

You might believe that letting Bill go was the right move at this point in time for the team while not yet being sold on Mayo being his replacement. This is where I am right now.

Those are not mutually exclusive.

 

[signbabybrady]

So he would have gotten fired at the end of this year instead. Bill had 4 years to rebuild post Brady. The last two were disasters. He embarrassed the team with his Patricia stunt.

He was given the rope to hang himself with and he did

I think he would be going better now with Maye and avoid getting fired but either way I think he deserved that opportunity before we got in the rotation of sucky and inexperienced coaches line.

 

[sb1]

Cut what off at 5? When I normally talk about the "rebuild" or at least Bill's rebuild I talk about post-Brady which would be 2020-2023. There are more than enough things Bill did in that span that should have gotten him fired.

Didn't have a backup plan for Brady (and don't give me the Jimmy G argument. He had 2.5 years to formulate a plan after he traded Jimmy) but pushed Brady out anyways.

Bill took the wrong QB and tried to build through free agency leading to a cheap pop but couldn't sustain it.

He completely mismanaged the guard situation between Thuney, Mason, Karras, and then that terrible Cole Strange pick.

Bad drafting.

Made a DC the OC and offensive line coach then engaged in a Cold War with anyone who didn't like the decision.

Hired a new OC but allegedly wouldn't let him pick his assistants.

The team, and the offense, basically got worse every year with Mac.

I am right there with you on where we are at with Mayo and how he was an underwhelming hire in the first place. Just because they picked the wrong successor doesn't mean we should have kept Bill.

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Created a QB controversy between Mac Jones/Bailey Zappe that wasn't a thing until he egged it on.

Completely froze out Mac Jones just like he did with Brady

47-17 in a wild card game. 72-3 in two games. For him, having his team shockingly unprepared as they were

Complete collapse of special teams and lack of on field discipline in his final year here

 

[signbabybrady]

Nah Bill was worse than most coaches the last 2 seasons and being paid $20M to be so.

You aren't/didn't find anyone better.

 

[sb1]

I think he would be going better now with Maye and avoid getting fired but either way I think he deserved that opportunity before we got in the rotation of sucky and inexperienced coaches line.

BB would not have picked Maye at all. Most likely a trade down for McCarthy.

If Bill "deserved the opportunity" then so should have Brady and we all know what happened there.

 

[sb1]

You aren't/didn't find anyone better.

Bill was a putrid HC the last two seasons, I think almost anyone would have done a better job than he did. I'm also sure they wouldn't have hired two bozos out of their element who were buddies of his to run his offense.

I'm not talking about his career, just the last two seasons.

 

[lancerman]

I think he would be going better now with Maye and avoid getting fired but either way I think he deserved that opportunity before we got in the rotation of sucky and inexperienced coaches line.

He had 4 years and he got to pick and develop his QB. He made his choices. I have no reason to think he does anything different in free agency or the draft and the team was a mess last year as well. They were undisciplined and his defense would have had the same injuries.

Even if they were "better" they'd still be a losing team.

 

[signbabybrady]

BB would not have picked Maye at all. Most likely a trade down for McCarthy.

If Bill "deserved the opportunity" then so should have Brady and we all know what happened there.

Kraft shouldn't have given away the franchise clause and Bill would have kept Brady. And of course Bill would have taken Maye it was the choice everyone would have made.

 

[signbabybrady]

Bill was a putrid HC the last two seasons, I think almost anyone would have done a better job than he did. I'm also sure they wouldn't have hired two bozos out of their element who were buddies of his to run his offense.

I'm not talking about his career, just the last two seasons.

I prefer to take a man's entire resume into account when making such pivotal decisions. When you start parsing things like that you wind up firing the GOAT and hiring a traveling companion because for 2 seasons he split DC role decently and ignored that his resume has basically nothing else on it.

 

[sb1]

Kraft shouldn't have given away the franchise clause and Bill would have kept Brady.

Why would Bill "deserve" the chance that Brady didn't get here?

And of course Bill would have taken Maye it was the choice everyone would have made.

That's doubtful. Bill is a win now coach at his age, he wouldn't take a raw high upside prospect like Maye where he would never get to coach the finished product. He never had a QB like Maye why would he start now? He'd trade down no doubt about it.

 

[catent]

Don't forget his binkie Lombardi who drafted jamarcus Russell got fired from every organization hea worked, and hasn't had an NFL job in almost 10 years.

Al Davis was the owner and GM of the Raiders for as long as he was there. They don't draft Jamarcus Russell without Davis' approval. Also, Lombardi was fired IN 2007, not following 2007 ... Jamarcus Russell was drafted IN 2007, so I'm not even clear if he was around to draft Russell.

Some bizarre reaching back 15+ years ago to an entirely irrelevant (and a seemingly inaccurate/wrong account of what actually happened) anecdote about the Raiders, Jamarcus Russell, and Mike Lombardi, in an attempt to excuse/deflect from how bad Mayo has been.

 

[lancerman]

BB would not have picked Maye at all. Most likely a trade down for McCarthy.

If Bill "deserved the opportunity" then so should have Brady and we all know what happened there.

Yup. Bill was trying to move on from Brady and start the next era back in 2014. The first down year Brady had was leveraged against him to not engage with him on a contract and make him leaving inevitable.

Belichick got to choose to start his next era of the Patriots, the team was horrible after 4 seasons, he failed.

 

[catent]

Judon, Peppers, Barmore, Bentley...

There's the problem - those are four (well. 3.5) in-the-box beasts.

Bentley is as good as any LB against the run. Barmore is a pure bear at the line. Peppers hits like a truck, and Judon was worth a couple of TFL every game.

That's a lot of talent off the field, right there.

Judon barely played last season. Tore his biceps and only ended up playing during the month of September; was injured on Oct. 1, 2023 and never played another meaningful down for the team.