Belichick remarks on Mayo's "soft" comments on Pat McAfee Show - "They're not soft"

[upstater1]

Oh ok.. thanks for the clarity.. I was reffening to 03 and beyond.. as 02 we played terrible on defense. Those are my generation of players. I wish we had those types of players now.

My point is that, back then, when we were losing, the media and the scouts and the GMs declared it an untalented roster.

So to say "I wish we had those players" just reminds me of the time when the players you mentioned were considered bad an untalented.

The difference between being called a talented player and an untalented player is sometimes (not all the time) the difference between a coach putting you in position to succeed (also forcing you to do your job) and a coach who is not doing either of those things.

 

[upstater1]

John Harbaugh had 0 playoff wins for 5 years, 1 in 7 years after winning the SB, and 3 in the last 11 years.

Mike Tomlin has gone 7 seasons without a playoff win.

Seems some very successful franchises this century have a different idea as to how things should work. Not saying Belichick shouldn’t have been let go, but I am saying no playoff wins shouldn’t have been the reason. Poor roster talent and poor coaching staff decisions, all of which he was responding for, leading to poor performance should have been the reason.

It was actually 1 in 9 years for Harbaugh.

And, in 3 consecutive years, he only won 22 games total, which is exactly what Belichick did here in the last 3 years.

 

[Real fan 02]

My point is that, back then, when we were losing, the media and the scouts and the GMs declared it an untalented roster.

So to say "I wish we had those players" just reminds me of the time when the players you mentioned were considered bad an untalented.

The difference between being called a talented player and an untalented player is sometimes (not all the time) the difference between a coach putting you in position to succeed (also forcing you to do your job) and a coach who is not doing either of those things.

Well said!! You make great sense. As look out our current players. They are asked to play beyond thier talent levels due to roster construction. Barmore is such a huge piece without him everything suffers the rush, the run defense.. lose your next best run player in Bentley and now we see how it looks.

 

[TheRainMaker]

John Harbaugh had 0 playoff wins for 5 years, 1 in 7 years after winning the SB, and 3 in the last 11 years.

Mike Tomlin has gone 7 seasons without a playoff win.

Seems some very successful franchises this century have a different idea as to how things should work. Not saying Belichick shouldn’t have been let go, but I am saying no playoff wins shouldn’t have been the reason. Poor roster talent and poor coaching staff decisions, all of which he was responding for, leading to poor performance should have been the reason.

These are two examples of why it's a bad look Bill was fired. However, these coaches are not making personnel decisions as well.

 

[Vindicate]

It is a political thing. Most are on the left, even far left, and hate Bill because he wrote Trump a letter that Trump read at a campaign rally.

I'm about as far left as it gets and I love Bill lol what the hell are you talking about. This is football.

 

[n1997y]

Well said!! You make great sense. As look out our current players. They are asked to play beyond thier talent levels due to roster construction. Barmore is such a huge piece without him everything suffers the rush, the run defense.. lose your next best run player in Bentley and now we see how it looks.

This hits a point I’ve often pondered. Everybody is talented in different ways. It may also be that they are asked to play in ways that aren’t best suited for their talents. Like if Barmore was asked to cover a tight end it would be beyond his talent level not because he isn’t talented but because it doesn’t match his talents to the job. So it’s roster design as well as roster construction. It’s what happens when there is a disconnect between what the coach wants to put on the field and what the FO gives him to work with. BB ran both of those so there wasn’t a disconnect; now it’s split and we see the consequences of having that disconnect.

 

[Vindicate]

Ope, there goes @archstanton543 with the trigger happy dislikes. I figured I'd accrue more of those by some point.

Edit: I do appreciate his willingness to like these posts though lmao.

 

[Real fan 02]

This hits a point I’ve often pondered. Everybody is talented in different ways. It may also be that they are asked to play in ways that aren’t best suited for their talents. Like if Barmore was asked to cover a tight end it would be beyond his talent level not because he isn’t talented but because it doesn’t match his talents to the job. So it’s roster design as well as roster construction. It’s what happens when there is a disconnect between what the coach wants to put on the field and what the FO gives him to work with. BB ran both of those so there wasn’t a disconnect; now it’s split and we see the consequences of having that disconnect.

Absolutely correct on your take! The coaching and the scheme.. as go figure the original plan was judon, Barmore, peppers, Bentley, gonzo, Dugger, the Joneses, and tavai.. pretty stout defense when healthy. That was supposed to be the core. Covington said he's kept the same defense in. I still think though it's been hard..thsr we shouldn't give up just yet on Mayo and his staff.. let's allow Drake to continue to grow and be a excellent young QB. It would be inconceivable to think this team wouldn't leaps and bounds better next season.

 

[patman12]

Didn’t Mayo say they were playing soft, not that they were soft players?

 

[RobertWeathers]

This hits a point I’ve often pondered. Everybody is talented in different ways. It may also be that they are asked to play in ways that aren’t best suited for their talents. Like if Barmore was asked to cover a tight end it would be beyond his talent level not because he isn’t talented but because it doesn’t match his talents to the job. So it’s roster design as well as roster construction. It’s what happens when there is a disconnect between what the coach wants to put on the field and what the FO gives him to work with. BB ran both of those so there wasn’t a disconnect; now it’s split and we see the consequences of having that disconnect.

That's what great coaches do. They do a great job of self-scouting and have taken stock in what a player excels at and what they do not.

We don't know if Mayo does that well or not because of the injuries, off-field issues and roster building on the O and D lines.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Didn’t Mayo say they were playing soft, not that they were soft players?

On Sunday he said they were a soft team. On Monday he walked back that statement and said they were playing soft.

 

[archstanton543]

Didn’t Mayo say they were playing soft, not that they were soft players?

He tried walking back his comments but he did initially say that the team was soft.

 

[203Pat]

I think at least a year for every SB ring they win seems fair.

In the past 6 seasons how many coaches have more playoff wins and appearances than Bill? Obviously Reid and Shanahan but can't be that many more.

That is ridiculous to take into account that someone should keep a job for things they did over 20 years ago. Bill got praised so many times over the years for "a year to early instead of a year too late" and keeping a "what have you done for me lately?" mentality but then when it comes to Bill we should let him keep his job forever as some sort of lifetime achievement award.

I like how you needed to stretch it to 6 seasons to capture the Super Bowl with Brady but since you already mentioned Reid and Shanahan here are the guys with the same, or more postseason wins and appearances as bill from 2018-2023.

John Harbaugh 5 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Mike McCarthy 3 postseason appearances, 1 win
Sean Payton 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Sean McVay 4 postseason appearances, 4 wins
Zac Taylor, 2 postseason appearances, 5 wins
Doug Pederson 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Sean McDermott 5 postseason appearances, 5 wins
Matt LeFleur 4 postseason appearances, 3 wins
Nick Sirianni 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Todd Bowles 2 postseason appearances, 1 win
Kevin Sefanski 2 postseason appearances, 1 win

That is 13 coaches out of 32. That means over 40% of the league have the same or more postseason appearances/ wins as Bill in that span. Two of those coaches, McCarthy and Pederson (bother Super Bowl winning coaches) were fired from a job in are now with a new team. McDermott, and Sirianni are firmly on the hot seat with McCarthy and Pederson right there with them. Taylor, and Sefanski both have pretty warm seats as well.

 

[203Pat]

John Harbaugh had 0 playoff wins for 5 years, 1 in 7 years after winning the SB, and 3 in the last 11 years.

Mike Tomlin has gone 7 seasons without a playoff win.

Seems some very successful franchises this century have a different idea as to how things should work. Not saying Belichick shouldn’t have been let go, but I am saying no playoff wins shouldn’t have been the reason. Poor roster talent and poor coaching staff decisions, all of which he was responding for, leading to poor performance should have been the reason.

And there were/are plenty of fans and media calling for their jobs throughout those stints. Neither one of those guys had their teams decline and YoY for 3-4 years in a row and hired defensive coordinators to run the offense for their second year QB.

 

[Steve102]

Of course he would have. 1,2,3 was locked in and even a caveman would have made the same picks.

Based on his comments on draft night, I think he trades out of #3 and takes McCarthy.

 

[203Pat]

Based on his comments on draft night, I think he trades out of #3 and takes McCarthy.

Seems like the most Bill-like move.

 

[signbabybrady]

That is ridiculous to take into account that someone should keep a job for things they did over 20 years ago. Bill got praised so many times over the years for "a year to early instead of a year too late" and keeping a "what have you done for me lately?" mentality but then when it comes to Bill we should let him keep his job forever as some sort of lifetime achievement award.

I like how you needed to stretch it to 6 seasons to capture the Super Bowl with Brady but since you already mentioned Reid and Shanahan here are the guys with the same, or more postseason wins and appearances as bill from 2018-2023.

John Harbaugh 5 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Mike McCarthy 3 postseason appearances, 1 win
Sean Payton 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Sean McVay 4 postseason appearances, 4 wins
Zac Taylor, 2 postseason appearances, 5 wins
Doug Pederson 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Sean McDermott 5 postseason appearances, 5 wins
Matt LeFleur 4 postseason appearances, 3 wins
Nick Sirianni 3 postseason appearances, 2 wins
Todd Bowles 2 postseason appearances, 1 win
Kevin Sefanski 2 postseason appearances, 1 win

That is 13 coaches out of 32. That means over 40% of the league have the same or more postseason appearances/ wins as Bill in that span. Two of those coaches, McCarthy and Pederson (bother Super Bowl winning coaches) were fired from a job in are now with a new team. McDermott, and Sirianni are firmly on the hot seat with McCarthy and Pederson right there with them. Taylor, and Sefanski both have pretty warm seats as well.

I like how you guys conveniently cut it off at 5

So we'll over half the coaches have a significantly weaker resume. Most of your list is still slightly weaker. Very few with more. Thanks that helps make my point.

The pool we get to search for a replacement from is even worse too or completely unproven like Mayo.

Boy am I glad we volunteered for this rinse and repeat wash cycle.

 

[203Pat]

I like how you guys conveniently cut it off at 5

So we'll over half the coaches have a significantly weaker resume. The pool we get to search for a replacement from is even worse too or completely unproven like Mayo.

Boy am I glad we volunteered for this rinse and repeat wash cycle.

Cut what off at 5? When I normally talk about the "rebuild" or at least Bill's rebuild I talk about post-Brady which would be 2020-2023. There are more than enough things Bill did in that span that should have gotten him fired.

Didn't have a backup plan for Brady (and don't give me the Jimmy G argument. He had 2.5 years to formulate a plan after he traded Jimmy) but pushed Brady out anyways.

Bill took the wrong QB and tried to build through free agency leading to a cheap pop but couldn't sustain it.

He completely mismanaged the guard situation between Thuney, Mason, Karras, and then that terrible Cole Strange pick.

Bad drafting.

Made a DC the OC and offensive line coach then engaged in a Cold War with anyone who didn't like the decision.

Hired a new OC but allegedly wouldn't let him pick his assistants.

The team, and the offense, basically got worse every year with Mac.

I am right there with you on where we are at with Mayo and how he was an underwhelming hire in the first place. Just because they picked the wrong successor doesn't mean we should have kept Bill.

 

[borg]

On Sunday he said they were a soft team. On Monday he walked back that statement and said they were playing soft.

I believe Mayo suffers from a host of intestinal issues....

 

[Triumph]

I feel for Mayo, but you should not call out your players in public, if it needs to be said then you do it behind closed doors. BB should keep his mouth shut too, just take a look back Bill and see the mess you left us in.

BB wanted to 5hitcan Corky and bring in Baker Mayfield. Thats a team contending for a post season spot.

The mess right now and of the last few years was caused by Kraft.