Soft? It's DT

[SinceGroganWalkedIn]

The softness issue is personnel. Last year the Pats D was good. Media claimed it's the same D, but it's not.

Last year 3rd and 3 was a passing down for most opponents as the Pats, who were thin at DT, were lucky enough to have Lawrence Guy, Godchaux and Barmore go wire to wire for 17 games with almost no games inactive/injury. They also played 2 edge guys that are intact and today.

The Pats cut a guy from the Steelers that was supposed to replace Guy. So now they're down to 1 of the 3 DTs and like last year, have little depth. Equale is a good rotational backup guy that played 3rd down primarily, as he's not great on run-d. He's the starter. Add in Bentley on IR and of late Peppers being out and Dugger missing some time, and that adds up to 'SOFT'. It's personnel and not some drama dripping BS the media will spin to you. "Is it the coaching and BB gone". "Is it player buy-in" or some other chaos they can feed the drama treadmill - NO.

 

[Brotherblues]

Ok Jerod.

 

[archstanton543]

The softness issue is personnel. Last year the pats D was good. Media claimed it's the same D but it's not. Last year 3rd and 3 was a passing down for most opponents as the pats, whom were thin at DT were lucky enough to have Lawrence Guy, Godshaux and Baremore go wire to wire 17 games with almost no games inactive/injury. They also played 2 edge guys that are intact and today. The pats cut a guy from the steelers that was supposedly to replace Guy. So now they're down to 1 of the 3 DTs and alike last year had little depth. Equale is a good rotational backup guy that played 3rd down primarily as he's not great on run-d. He's the starter. Add in Bently on IR and of late Peppers being out and Dugger missing some time, and that adds up to 'SOFT'. It's personnel and not some drama dripping BS the media will spin to you. "Is it the coaching and BB gone". "Is it player buy-in" or some other chaos they can feed the drama treadmill - NO.

Two things can be true at once. The personnel can be garbage and the coaching can be garbage.

 

[signbabybrady]

This is why most people are blaming both the coaching and the personnel side too.

Kraft, Mayo, and Wolf failed this team from the jump.

 

[PatsFan2]

This is why most people are blaming both the coaching and the personnel side too.

Kraft, Mayo, and Wolf failed this team from the jump.

They have failed this city.

 

[signbabybrady]

They have failed this city.

 

[KCSVEN]

I got to go with personnel on the run defense. I could coach stopping the run, it's not complicated.
LB's are terrible. Bentley was holding them together. Barmore and Godchaux together could hold up to double teams. Barmore's loss is devastating, had 8.5 sacks as an interior lineman! You lost your 3 of your best run defenders (Peppers) and the replacements are not as good.
Before yesterday they were the 4th worst run defense in the NFL per PFF, Jets are 2nd worse FYI.
Teams have tape they can attack the weak players; I don't see hope.

Pass defense is personnel AND coaching. With no Barmore they have White and nobody to Rush the passer and yet they seem to run few stunts and also blitz too infrequently and then when they do blitz Marcus Jones can be a free blitzer and lets a tap from the tackle Push him just enough to let the QB out for a big run. Seem very vanilla on defense, lots they could do but not doing it so that's coaching.

I can't figure out how you can coach up this talent on defense to be good unless the QB you are playing is dog poop.

 

[Spiral]

After QB, OT and DT are arguably the most important positions. The Patriots are notably worse than last year at both positions, possibly the worst in the league. This is at least a three-year rebuild.

 

[Real fan 02]

This is why most people are blaming both the coaching and the personnel side too.

Kraft, Mayo, and Wolf failed this team from the jump.

We've been failing since 2019. Honestly.. not a shot a bill.

 

[PatsFan2]

I got to go with personnel on the run defense. I could coach stopping the run, it's not complicated.
LB's are terrible. Bentley was holding them together. Barmore and Godchaux together could hold up to double teams. Barmore's loss is devastating, had 8.5 sacks as an interior lineman! You lost your 3 of your best run defenders (Peppers) and the replacements are not as good.
Before yesterday they were the 4th worst run defense in the NFL per PFF, Jets are 2nd worse FYI.
Teams have tape they can attack the weak players; I don't see hope.

Pass defense is personnel AND coaching. With no Barmore they have White and nobody to Rush the passer and yet they seem to run few stunts and also blitz too infrequently and then when they do blitz Marcus Jones can be a free blitzer and lets a tap from the tackle Push him just enough to let the QB out for a big run. Seem very vanilla on defense, lots they could do but not doing it so that's coaching.

I can't figure out how you can coach up this talent on defense to be good unless the QB you are playing is dog poop.

A dog poop QB don't have to pass, just hand it off and committee RBs gets 200yds on the ground. The Patriots Run Defense the gift that keeps on giving.

 

[Real fan 02]

A dog poop QB don't have to pass just hand it off and RB gets 200yds on the gourd. The Patriots Run Defense the gift that keeps on giving.

Mayo checked thier guts thier balls as men yesterday and they deserve it.. even as back ups they should have more pride. If getting checked as a man can't make them play with heart then they shouldn't be in the NFL.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Last year the pats D was good.

No it wasn’t. If you want to see what a good defense is, watch KC. No matter who they played in 2023, the opposition averaged 16 points per game. This season, their defense continues to back up their mediocre offense.

Media claimed it's the same D but it's not.

Yes it is.

 

[signbabybrady]

We've been failing since 2019. Honestly.. not a shot a bill.

Not like this not even last year was like this

 

[Pape]

We've been failing since 2019. Honestly.. not a shot a bill.

Of course it is a shot at Bill otherwise why bring it up? The defense wasn't the problem until this year. They weren't as good as their rankings but was passable to the point that with a competent O, we could have won more than we did.

 

[Pape]

No it wasn’t. If you want to see what a good defense is, watch KC. No matter who they played in 2023, the opposition averaged 16 points per game. This season, their defense continues to back up their mediocre offense.

Yes it is.

Spagnulo is one hell of a dc

 

[Real fan 02]

Not like this not even last year was like this

We were 2-12 at one point last season and Bill did his best to keep the noise silenced.. it's just losing brother.. we've seen it under the best to ever do it and we are seeing now.. no matter who is the coach when a team loses it makes everything become a question.

 

[Real fan 02]

Of course it is a shot at Bill otherwise why bring it up? The defense wasn't the problem until this year. They weren't as good as their rankings but was passable to the point that with a competent O, we could have won more than we did.

No it's not. I'm making a point that post brady we've been losing. So people can ***** about things all they want. It's we've been in this constant state starting when Brady left. Now we seem to have our QB now let's build around him and identify guys we want here and those we don't as well as add pieces.

 

[captain stone]

As in many cases, it’s personnel and coaching both: this lazy, incompetent front orifice failed to adequately replace the Big Guy even though it had an Entire off-season to do so; it was therefore & naturally completely unprepared to replace Barmore, both of whose roles were filled by undeserving Belichick holdovers Danny Eukalele the ‘Roid Cheat & Lil’ Jerry Pharma from Friends U, plus lightweight, useless waiver claim Eric Johnson. The only one of the bunch with a possible future here is King Jack, though he did himself no favors yesterday either. As for the coaching, this is what happens when you place your trust in a defensive coordinator who was a small-school college WIDE RECEIVER. But according to the Old boss and I guess now the New boss: a good coach is a good coach amirite

 

[upstater1]

The softness issue is personnel. Last year the Pats D was good. Media claimed it's the same D, but it's not.

Last year 3rd and 3 was a passing down for most opponents as the Pats, who were thin at DT, were lucky enough to have Lawrence Guy, Godchaux and Barmore go wire to wire for 17 games with almost no games inactive/injury. They also played 2 edge guys that are intact and today.

The Pats cut a guy from the Steelers that was supposed to replace Guy. So now they're down to 1 of the 3 DTs and like last year, have little depth. Equale is a good rotational backup guy that played 3rd down primarily, as he's not great on run-d. He's the starter. Add in Bentley on IR and of late Peppers being out and Dugger missing some time, and that adds up to 'SOFT'. It's personnel and not some drama dripping BS the media will spin to you. "Is it the coaching and BB gone". "Is it player buy-in" or some other chaos they can feed the drama treadmill - NO.

Peppers was out there when we gave up 190+ yards to the Jets. Dugger missed one game. We added Gonzalez and Marcus Jones.

 

[State]

Resigning Lawrence Guy was eminently doable this summer.