Is Mayo the Right Guy to be leading this team?

[TheRainMaker]

I don't think he was ready (maybe never will be) and was rushed into the position with limited experience which all came from one source. I saw red flags at his first press conference just on based on what he said. Maybe he gets it together, takes his lumps and learns moving into year two. But I personally don't think he will be the HC for more than a few years. I hope I am wrong!

It's odd that anyone couldn't see the red flags earlier when the LB group has been a problem since he's been there, gets to game plan with BB and doesn't even call plays.

Him cutting in line is an insult to guys that work hard for years being a good coordinator, but never get consideration. That is the new NFL now of hiring Jim Tomsula's.

 

[dliverey44]

A LB coach vs HC? It does not compute.

We can throw that on Kraft for making him the HC. But again would BB go out and ask the idiot Mayo to come coach or did Mayo become an idiot this year? So my question to the BB can do no wrong crowd was Mayo always and idiot and BB got it wrong or Mayo became an idiot this year.

Another question because I know that some think BB should still be here, why??

 

[dliverey44]

And you are pretty good at ignoring the obvious.

You tried to claim that if Mayo is a bad HC it reflects negatively on the guy who thought he would be a good position coach.
Why?
When a good salesman gets promoted to manager and fails do you go back and criticized the guy who hired him as a salesman?
I guess I don’t really understand the point you are trying to make.

I was asking if Mayo was always and idiot or did it just happen. I do not think Kraft should have made Mayo the HC, but can accept that Mayo is not an idiot. I honestly think that the whole thing should be blown up from Wolf down.

 

[Patsfan1645]

We can throw that on Kraft for making him the HC. But again would BB go out and ask the idiot Mayo to come coach or did Mayo become an idiot this year? So my question to the BB can do no wrong crowd was Mayo always and idiot and BB got it wrong or Mayo became an idiot this year.

Another question because I know that some think BB should still be here, why??

Don't throw shade on thunda kat!

Bill needed to go. I feel the game passed him by with regards to what teams were trying to do across the league. He did not want to adapt to how other teams were playing and evolve. I think Bill always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and maybe he was but the team suffered because he was not a fan of new, outside Foxborough ideas and concepts. I personally think that he thought he was so smart he could continue to win with anyone coaching and the kids from Foxborough High taking the field. But hey he called the shots during the most prolific dynasty in the modern days sports era and I'm just a dude on a forum

 

[Ring 6]

I was asking if Mayo was always and idiot or did it just happen. I do not think Kraft should have made Mayo the HC, but can accept that Mayo is not an idiot. I honestly think that the whole thing should be blown up from Wolf down.

Who is saying he is an idiot? You are creating an argument with yourself it seems

 

[dliverey44]

Don't throw shade on thunda kat!

Bill needed to go. I feel the game passed him by with regards to what teams were trying to do across the league. He did not want to adapt to how other teams were playing and evolve. I think Bill always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and maybe he was but the team suffered because he was not a fan of new, outside Foxborough ideas and concepts. I personally think that he thought he was so smart he could continue to win with anyone coaching and the kids from Foxborough High taking the field. But hey he called the shots during the most prolific dynasty in the modern days sports era and I'm just a dude on a forum

Regardless of how I felt about him at the end. I am so thankful to him for the dynasty in New England and have no doubt that the Lombardi should be called The Big Balls Belichick.

 

[dliverey44]

Who is saying he is an idiot? You are creating an argument with yourself it seems

There have been several between here, youtube and reddit. Although, you are onto something about my arguing with the voices in my head. My motto is if 4 out the 5 voices in my head say do it then I am going for it

 

[Triumph]

Don't throw shade on thunda kat!

Bill needed to go. I feel the game passed him by with regards to what teams were trying to do across the league. He did not want to adapt to how other teams were playing and evolve. I think Bill always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and maybe he was but the team suffered because he was not a fan of new, outside Foxborough ideas and concepts. I personally think that he thought he was so smart he could continue to win with anyone coaching and the kids from Foxborough High taking the field. But hey he called the shots during the most prolific dynasty in the modern days sports era and I'm just a dude on a forum

BB wanted to get fired so he could collect all his pay from ungrateful Kraft.

Without question BB worked tirelessly for Kraft literally around the clock. No other NFL owner had the type of success that Kraft has had in the NFL.

I will never be convinced that Corky Mac was BBs choice. At heart BB is a DC who can spot flaws in a QB 5 miles away and its crystal clear that Corky has a noodle arm and snowflake temperament. Nope, me thinks that Kraft took some draft power away from BB after Brady left and won another Super Bowl.

 

[NashuaPats]

BB wanted to get fired so he could collect all his pay from ungrateful Kraft.

Without question BB worked tirelessly for Kraft literally around the clock. No other NFL owner had the type of success that Kraft has had in the NFL.

I will never be convinced that Corky Mac was BBs choice. At heart BB is a DC who can spot flaws in a QB 5 miles away and its crystal clear that Corky has a noodle arm and snowflake temperament. Nope, me thinks that Kraft took some draft power away from BB after Brady left and won another Super Bowl.

Here’s the draft war room when the Pats decided on Mac. It looks like the collaborative decision that Kraft had ordered. Bill verified with a few others if they were good with the decision before finalizing it.

It might support your theory that Mac wasn’t Bill’s choice. It’s hard to say. He certainly didn’t make the decision unilaterally.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Don't throw shade on thunda kat!

Bill needed to go. I feel the game passed him by with regards to what teams were trying to do across the league. He did not want to adapt to how other teams were playing and evolve. I think Bill always thought he was the smartest guy in the room and maybe he was but the team suffered because he was not a fan of new, outside Foxborough ideas and concepts. I personally think that he thought he was so smart he could continue to win with anyone coaching and the kids from Foxborough High taking the field. But hey he called the shots during the most prolific dynasty in the modern days sports era and I'm just a dude on a forum

A thread about Mayo and your post is all about BB. BB is not with the Pats anymore. How long will BB keep hurting you? Are you talking to your emotional therapist about your pain?

 

[Triumph]

Here’s the draft war room when the Pats decided on Mac. It looks like the collaborative decision that Kraft had ordered. Bill verified with a few others if they were good with the decision before finalizing it.

It might support your theory that Mac wasn’t Bill’s choice. It’s hard to say. He certainly didn’t make the decision unilaterally.

My sister lives in Nashua.

Perhaps BB went along to get along. Certainly BB wanted to get rid of Corky in year 2, but Kraft vetoed the measure. Kraft made BB use Corky.

 

[Brotherblues]

I'm really surprised there are so many who claim all criticism of Mayo comes from some "BB can do no wrong" cult.

They basically lump all Mayo critics with Andy.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Some of you guys should watch the Vince Lombardi documentary on HBO, a lot of the things you guys are saying about Mayo they were saying about Lombardi at the time. Like anything else some people learn on the job and become good or even great but don't always start out that way. Wouldn't this be a good year to have a rookie head coach? No matter who the coach would be this year, we're not good, let's see if they can get some good players and build a good team going forward and Mayo learns on the job before we kick him out of town. Very impatient people on this forum.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I don’t think it’s possible to get a read on how good this defense is until the offense starts doing a decent job of staying on the field. That doesn’t excuse them letting teams come out and go right down the field, but overall the offense has been hanging them out to dry the past couple of seasons. If Maye starts converting for 1st downs, and the offense can start giving them some breathers, and keep them in games we will be able to get a better idea of where they are really at, and what they need to improve.

 

[Tunescribe]

Some of you guys should watch the Vince Lombardi documentary on HBO, a lot of the things you guys are saying about Mayo they were saying about Lombardi at the time. Like anything else some people learn on the job and become good or even great but don't always start out that way. Wouldn't this be a good year to have a rookie head coach? No matter who the coach would be this year, we're not good, let's see if they can get some good players and build a good team going forward and Mayo learns on the job before we kick him out of town. Very impatient people on this forum.

There is nothing wrong with being impatient about a team that hasn't won at home in a full calendar year. They've gone 5-18 since last season -- truly awful. It also is reasonable to seriously question whether a coach with Mayo's lack of experience was the right choice to handle a rebuilding job of this magnitude. That is, along with a personnel director in Wolf who also is heading a front office for the first time.

The bottom line is the Patriots didn't have to sink this low, forcing fans to suffer the inevitable growing pains. That includes time lost to eventually replacing the likes of AVP. They'd be in better shape overall had RKK prioritized proven track records at both positions in the hiring process.

 

[rogerthat]

I've said this before but it bears repeating: (many will disagree with what I'm about to say) One of the reasons that I didn't like the Mayo hire is that I didn't like Mayo as a football player. Or at least, I thought he was one of the most overrated players I've ever seen along with Devin McCourty. Not enough big plays. Not enough interceptions, TFL, forced fumbles, fumble recoveries, plays on big 3rd and 4th downs. It's really those kinds of plays that win games; not so much consistent tackles 4 and 5 yards down the field.

For that reason, I would have much rather have hired Vrabel. Or if you going to go with someone with limited experience, Troy Brown. Those guys were winning football players. And if they started off as poor coaches, I'd have more faith for them to improve.

I'm willing to give Mayo some more time to figure it out but it's the 2nd quarter and he's already down 14-0.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Very impatient people on this forum.

Either there are very impatient people on the forum or Mayo is not Lomardi and not a good NFL head coach.

Do you think one story applies solely to Mayo, or is it possible that Mayo was a poor choice?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I don’t think it’s possible to get a read on how good this defense is until the offense starts doing a decent job of staying on the field. That doesn’t excuse them letting teams come out and go right down the field, but overall the offense has been hanging them out to dry the past couple of seasons. If Maye starts converting for 1st downs, and the offense can start giving them some breathers, and keep them in games we will be able to get a better idea of where they are really at, and what they need to improve.

@RobertWeathers thinks the defense is lagging last year's performance due to injuries. You think the defense needs some breathers. Are there any other reasons our 2024 defense has noticably collapsed from 2023? Maybe the collapse is not real and it is only BB lovers that are creating this mirage? Any other excuses?

 

[TheRainMaker]

Some of you guys should watch the Vince Lombardi documentary on HBO, a lot of the things you guys are saying about Mayo they were saying about Lombardi at the time. Like anything else some people learn on the job and become good or even great but don't always start out that way. Wouldn't this be a good year to have a rookie head coach? No matter who the coach would be this year, we're not good, let's see if they can get some good players and build a good team going forward and Mayo learns on the job before we kick him out of town. Very impatient people on this forum.

Again, the difference between the two was that Lombardi was a coordinator for 5 years while Mayo was not.

Bill Belichick coached for 16 years before getting a shot as a HC. WTF has Mayo done to warrant him cutting in front of the line to becoming a HC? Not one Mayo defender has any rebuttal other than the "give him a chance" nonsense. That is an absolute slap in the face to a guy like Bill who went up the coaching ranks for many years.

 

[jeremy2020]

We can throw that on Kraft for making him the HC. But again would BB go out and ask the idiot Mayo to come coach or did Mayo become an idiot this year? So my question to the BB can do no wrong crowd was Mayo always and idiot and BB got it wrong or Mayo became an idiot this year.

Another question because I know that some think BB should still be here, why??

Or.. ya know.. maybe BB thought he was a good linebackers coach which is rather different from being a good head coach.

Also, why add the straw man that people had to think that BB should still be here in order to think Mayo has not been a good head coach?