Greg Bedard skewers AVP

[One-If-By-Sea]

He does deserve criticism for this.

You've got a run heavy offense.

Where are you playfakes, your play-action passes?

We almost never do this.

It was like the JETES knew every count and every play. Why? It is not hard to memorize 10 plays that all are between the tackles and within 10 yards of the LOS.

 

[Clonamery]

He does deserve criticism for this.

You've got a run heavy offense.

Where are you playfakes, your play-action passes?

We almost never do this.

Most definitely doesn't trust the OL for a second.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

I think AVP was about Plan H or Plan K. Seems like a nice person, knows QB fundamentals, but the whole offensive strategy and play calling seems to be way over his head. His play calling is simple and disjointed because AVP is simple and panics. AVP is strictly a QB coach like at Cleveland. Even then he did not work out.

Our GM and coach were not convincing to the other 10 or 15 initial OC candidates. It is not the players, the players change. A new OC looks at the head coach, GM, and owner. It is a statement that so many candidates said No.

As a last resort AVP brought in a known commodity with experience and the willingness to play along with the plan. WIth limited weapons and injuries, he is in a tough spot to learn how to implement and run an offense. The thing that gets me is that the press had a lot of good things to say about him being a great fit for the job of developing Maye, until the real bullets started to fly.

Patriots OC Alex Van Pelt has the offense's full attention

Van Pelt is the Patriots' most important offseason hire and has full control over the Patriots' offense and Drake Maye's development plan.

www.espn.com

 

[Real fan 02]

He does deserve criticism for this.

You've got a run heavy offense.

Where are you playfakes, your play-action passes?

We almost never do this.

What made me optimistic about AVP is his experience. He was a play caller years back.. he coached up 5 different QBs last season and led them to the playoffs. However What I didn't take into consideration is how good the Browns OL is compared to ours. Also those 5 QB'S are all better than Brissett.

OL inconsistent play
Bad QB play

= no abilities by the OC to expand the play book. Brissett is a fine back up.. he's just not a starter in the NFL.

 

[borg]

Quite the offseason for Wolf's offense.....
AVP
Brisket
Chuka O.

Note:
32nd in Offensive yards
32nd in yds passing
31st in pts scored

 

[Real fan 02]

And

It was like the JETES knew every count and every play. Why? It is not hard to memorize 10 plays that all are between the tackles and within 10 yards of the LOS.

And teams know they can get home rushing 4 guys.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

As a last resort AVP brought in a known commodity with experience and the willingness to play along with the plan. WIth limited weapons and injuries, he is in a tough spot to learn how to implement and run an offense. The thing that gets me is that the press had a lot of good things to say about him being a great fit for the job of developing Maye, until the real bullets started to fly.

Patriots OC Alex Van Pelt has the offense's full attention

Van Pelt is the Patriots' most important offseason hire and has full control over the Patriots' offense and Drake Maye's development plan.

www.espn.com

The NE press core always says nice things. Breer always tries to be the thinker. Bedard tries to be honest. Curran reports whatever Kraft says. The rest are obsessed with All-22 to do analysis after the fact.

 

[ahmed]

AVP's call sheet is a 3" x 5" note card. No jet sweeps, no WR screens, no RB screens, no motion, no OL pulling, no passes over 10 yards.

We are going to establish the run is not an innovative offensive system. Idiots!!

Don't forget no play action which is especially incompetent when you have an under performing line/QB and a very good RB.

That said, I am ok to wait till Maye plays next year and pass final judgment. I also wonder if we could better OC candidates next year now that we have a promising rookie QB to entice them.

 

[Real fan 02]

Didn't they go through this with Mac Jones?

The line play had never been this bad with Mac. 2022 happened to Mac. Jacoby has never been a starting caliber QB.. even whenever he's had time he's missing open guys.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

To be fair the guy was an AVP hater upon hire and a little biased, he's not necessarily wrong but he's going to come at it with a negative slant.

AVP is not a top Coordinator, you watch the top guys, the creativeness, the motion, the unpredictability is all there.
Shanahan, McVay, Reid, McDaniel, Lafleur, O Connell, Johnson, maybe Slowik are my list. AVP lands somewhere in the group after.

I was not a fan of his fit for Maye, I hope he will adjust play calling to fit Maye when the time comes.
I want a younger, more creative caller from one of the systems of the best coordinators.
If AVP cannot get the offense rolling this year they need to fire him and go aggressively after a more innovative coach. Don't wait.
I also hope AVP can adjust his style a bit to fit his personnel, but he makes several dumb play calls a game and not clear if that's common for play callers, Josh would have a couple a game also but was more creative.
It seems we've gone from a game plan offense to a system offense, I hate that. I'm already bored with his play calling, I assume it might be related to the line issues and Jacoby limitations so I withhold full judgement until Maye plays and the line is healthier.

In terms of Daniels, as I stated I expected him to have the best rookie season of all QB's but also expected him to have a rough 2nd year as teams adjust. 17 games of running and being hit takes its toll, ask Lamar. When you get more reluctant to run, you have to rely on throwing and then we will see down the line with Daniels. Running skills always translate and the elite skill he has makes life easier for sure. Of course, the 2nd best scrambler in college last year was Drake Maye. The stats they quote in the video on Daniels and Maye are a laymen's way of looking at college QB's, completely meaningless drivel.

Gotcha, assuming you’re referring to the all 22 guy who did the review. He seemed like an independent so I didn’t think thered be any reason for bias but you might know more about him than i, i actually think it was you who posted the link to it.

Im hoping for the best , but i would hope we are on top of it if a change is needed. Its not an easy spot as no upstart young oc’s will be wanting to come here, i read that caley turned down a nice deal. Avp is probably the best we could have hoped to land right now. Hopefully if maye is able to get on the field and shows enough to make this a reasonably attractive team to coach for.

 

[upstater1]

Most definitely doesn't trust the OL for a second.

The way to help the OL is with a QB who threatens them and plays that keep them off balance.

Let's face it, there's not a great deal of variance between most NFL interior linemen.

Most of the success is relating to scheming and keeping the D off balance.

 

[Tunescribe]

Way to early to get too critical but I'm not sure what he's done that we are supposed to be encouraged by?

One thing Bedard pointed out yesterday blew my mind: Most of the Patriots' running attack STILL comes off a straight-ahead gap scheme, even though AVP has installed a purported west coast offense that traditionally emphasizes stretch zone blocking. But then, EVERY play action pass -- which they've used sparingly, due to poor protection -- has come off stretch zone blocking. So defenses see play action and automatically play the pass. No wonder Brissett keeps getting hammered. Beyond that, the team's offensive linemen apparently aren't fast/athletic enough to execute zone blocking consistently, which was the same problem with Patricia trying to install it two years ago.

Another thing he emphasized: Maye's skill set is ill-suited for the west coast offense's rigid precision. Apparently, he needs leeway to free lance/improvise but still know where receivers will be. Bedard said AVP being ready for Maye might be the bigger question vs. Maye being ready to play.

 

[Ring 6]

What made me optimistic about AVP is his experience. He was a play caller years back.. he coached up 5 different QBs last season and led them to the playoffs. However What I didn't take into consideration is how good the Browns OL is compared to ours. Also those 5 QB'S are all better than Brissett.

OL inconsistent play
Bad QB play

= no abilities by the OC to expand the play book. Brissett is a fine back up.. he's just not a starter in the NFL.

I really wish I had your outlook. Everything that’s terrible you find some little kernel to build up and make it awesome. We are stuck with friends u practice squad caliber DT, and he’s fine because he “flashed” We blew an off season and that’s ok because we tried and his can you expect a GM to actually sign good players, clearly they just don’t want to play here, so who needs them.

Van pelt has experience because he called plays once. Wasn’t that on an interim basis, many years ago, and based upon that audition no one ever let him call plays again?
He coached offense for the #1 ranked Defensive team, cycled through 3 failing QBs before they forced Flacco on him, they led the league in Ints and turnovers. 3 of those QBs had passer ratings under 64, and you take that as “he coached up 5 QBs”.

I wish I could ignore reality and put lipstick on the pig like you do

 

[Brotherblues]

There's an entire suck ecosystem that makes it hard for most of us outside observers to really assess AVP.

The protection is bad, but how much is it just the weaker links getting exploited? How much is on the QB for not being able to recognize the blitz and leading the league in time holding on to the ball? How much is scheme? How much is having a rookie boss that says he's "just here to learn" in offensive meetings? Every single thing that sucks influences the suck level of the other things, creating a powerful suck vortex that complicates separating what is and what isn't a turd swirling within.

 

[Real fan 02]

I really wish I had your outlook. Everything that’s terrible you find some little kernel to build up and make it awesome. We are stuck with friends u practice squad caliber DT, and he’s fine because he “flashed” We blew an off season and that’s ok because we tried and his can you expect a GM to actually sign good players, clearly they just don’t want to play here, so who needs them.

Van pelt has experience because he called plays once. Wasn’t that on an interim basis, many years ago, and based upon that audition no one ever let him call plays again?
He coached offense for the #1 ranked Defensive team, cycled through 3 failing QBs before they forced Flacco on him, they led the league in Ints and turnovers. 3 of those QBs had passer ratings under 64, and you take that as “he coached up 5 QBs”.

I wish I could ignore reality and put lipstick on the pig like you do

Becuase it's over as bad as it's painted to be and never as good as something can be made out as well. You have to step back and look at the overall Picture.

Why we are Here.
Continued decline after what we thought was a build back in 2021.

We've been in the situation since brady left. No this isn't about bashing BB it's about as a fan recognition of how we got here. This is still a rebuilding team the roster is Incomplete. Try not to loose sleep over being over analytical.

At this point I just want Drake to play.. I'd rather loose with him at QB then gain absolutely nothing by watching Brissett. I know you don't possess the capacity to do that but you can try.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

Caley was offered 3.5 to be the OC.. he and Mayo have a great relationship.. reported was that the Rams really like caley and wanted him to stay.. so that is why the pivot to AVP.. he wasn't the top choice. Caley turned the job down to stay with McVay.

Caley should have been OC before Patricia and Judge.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Caley should have been OC before Patricia and Judge.

I have to think Caley is getting a great masterclass in offensive coaching with the Rams. He'll probably be even better whenever he finally takes an OC role.

 

[PatsFan2]

I know Greg Bedard has his detractors but I trust his analysis more often than not. Today on his weekly 98.5 stint he didn't have much positive to offer on the Pats coaching staff, firing a few salvos at AVP citing poor scheme beyond the personnel woes.

He's preaching to the choir AVP's scheme have been horrible ie...sending the RB on a Route when your OL can't Pass Block for ****. We gotta have at least Six Blockers on every pass play RB included until we iron this **** out.

 

[PatsFan2]

I have to think Caley is getting a great masterclass in offensive coaching with the Rams. He'll probably be even better whenever he finally takes an OC role.

I think Caley's ship has sailed around here he probably feels slighted by the organization.

 

[patman52]

Wolf, Mayo and AVP are all tied to Drake. So I say this. After week 5 stranger will be available. Get him and Sow back in the line up and start Drake. There is no reason to keep trotting Jacoby out there. 368 pass yards in 3 games. Just painful to watch. I'm not sure the offense is better than last season at this point. I was optimistic in the offseason the QB position even with Brissett would be better. I was wrong. Yeah the line has been bad.. but so has he. AVP is wolf's guy so he will give him rope.

No, Maye should not be out there until the line has proven itself capable of him not getting hit every series. What is the rush? The team needs 6 more starting players to compete for the playoffs. Embrace the suck. Love BB, but he should have let the team bottom out and build for the future, the day Brady moved on.