Patriots Pregame Thread Wk 3 - Jets @ Pats pregame

[dliverey44]

People who didn't go through 1-15 and 2-14 thinking like Cam's 7-8 (7-9 overall) was a horrible season was fairly entertaining. Then there's the 0-16 teams who are thinking... this is the worst of the worst... until a football team's plane crashes over the Andes and skinny WRs have to feed off of the carcasses of the linemen...

... I'm telling you I need a breathalyzer before posting...

You morbid ****!! I love it

 

[Jim Beankie]

You morbid ****!! I love it

There's also the scenario where Marcus Jones is the only Patriot who survives...

 

[Ross12]

If either Jacobs (or Wallace )is a good swing OT for 2025, we really are really in relatively good shape in 2025, needing to sign 2 OL's: a backup center capable of starting and a top-level LT.

And yes, we have plenty of guards with Onwenu moving to OG: Sow, Strange, Robinson

My thinking:

LT - 1st round pick, Lowe, Jacobs(swing)
LG - Sow, Thomas
C - Andrews, Strange, Andrews
RG - Onwenu, Robinson
RT - Wallace, Jacobs(swing)

With a 1st round pick LT, and converting Strange to C, things round out well with all positions fleshed out nicely. Jake Andrews is the 3rd C but can also play guard in a pinch, and they may keep Jordan around too. Thomas would also have emergency tackle flexibility if there was a sudden burst of injuries at that spot.

If Strange works out well at C they can extend him to be the new starting center to take over from David Andrews who has a limited shelf life at this point anyway.

 

[Real fan 02]

My thinking:

LT - 1st round pick, Lowe, Jacobs(swing)
LG - Sow, Thomas
C - Andrews, Strange, Andrews
RG - Onwenu, Robinson
RT - Wallace, Jacobs(swing)

With a 1st round pick LT, and converting Strange to C, things round out well with all positions fleshed out nicely. Jake Andrews is the 3rd C but can also play guard in a pinch, and they may keep Jordan around too. Thomas would also have emergency tackle flexibility if there was a sudden burst of injuries at that spot.

If Strange works out well at C they can extend him to be the new starting center to take over from David Andrews who has a limited shelf life at this point anyway.

I agree! More than anything what is hurting the line is the constant line up changes as the offensive line need to be most cohesive unit on a team. Be Goof to have 5 guys together for a number of games.

 

[signbabybrady]

Macky jones.. average 192 pass yards last season... run for your life Brissett averages..120

I thought the one thing we could bank on was that Jacoby would be better than Mac. I didn't expect anything good but better. Haven't seen that yet.

The OL is Mess.

The D was supposed to be better with Gonzalez coming back. But losing Barmore, Judon, and now Bentley I'm not even sure about that.

 

[Real fan 02]

I thought the one thing we could bank on was that Jacoby would be better than Mac. I didn't expect anything good but better. Haven't seen that yet.

The OL is Mess.

The D was supposed to be better with Gonzalez coming back. But losing Barmore, Judon, and now Bentley I'm not even sure about that.

Your right. Brissett I give him credit he hangs in there but I haven't seen a clean pocket in 9 quarters of ball. The D is still good.. but have taken a hit. Injuries starting to mount...

 

[JayNM]

I haven't seen enough of this team to claim for Maye

yeah, Brisset is pretty ****. Maybe a bit worse than I expected.

But you cannot put a rookie behind this oline, at untill you are certain that you have your best 5, and they have played a bit together.

The team is playing much better than expected, if we disregard 2 or 3 critical plays, even if the bar was low.

Steady improvement is all that it matters this year

 

[mike_usagisan]

If either Jacobs (or Wallace )is a good swing OT for 2025, we really are really in relatively good shape in 2025, needing to sign 2 OL's: a backup center capable of starting and a top-level LT.

And yes, we have plenty of guards with Onwenu moving to OG: Sow, Strange, Robinson

That's because we keep drafting guards and saying they can be tackles.

 

[Toofy]

Ideal dream scenario we get the first pick next year, but lose all games by less than a score this year i.w. competitive heartbreaking losses and maye is OROY.

And we trade the first pick to giants for 2 1s and 2 2 s and a stud Defensive veteran from their team and with our 2025 1st draft our long term LT and then again trade up to get the best available defensive player in end of 1st round . Rest all would be rookies to shore up our depth .

If Polk and maye pan out we would have struck gold with 2023 and 2024 drafts and could be in real good contention in 2025 with LT and additional edge rusher being the lone gap. I don't expect us to resign Uche. Maybe we might need a CB to replace J Jones who is still playing like a stud.

 

[Ross12]

Looking a little forward, but…

- No CMC or Deebo in week 4 game
- No Tua in week 5 game (went on IR today)

Definitely helps the defense and limits the offensive potency of those teams. If the Pats can get some things figured out on their own side then maybe they can get one win there (Miami more likely)

If they can beat NYJ this week, lose to SF and then beat Miami (Maye game?) they’ll be off to a 3-2 start, 3-0 in the AFC and 2-0 in the division which ain’t too shabby at all. Well positioned to push for a lower ranked playoff seed.

 

[Real fan 02]

Looking a little forward, but…

- No CMC or Deebo in week 4 game
- No Tua in week 5 game (went on IR today)

Definitely helps the defense and limits the offensive potency of those teams. If the Pats can get some things figured out on their own side then maybe they can get one win there (Miami more likely)

If they can beat NYJ this week, lose to SF and then beat Miami (Maye game?) they’ll be off to a 3-2 start, 3-0 in the AFC and 2-0 in the division which ain’t too shabby at all. Well positioned to push for a lower ranked playoff seed.

Agreed. However I'm thinking of we can beat NY. And SF would give us some momentum. Defense has taken a hit and they still play hard and limit offenses. I don't think there is a team on the schedule that has 3 #1 WRs like what Seattle has as a unit. That will stress any Defense. This team has heart, fight, toughness and well COACHED. The only thing that can hurt them is the injury bug.

 

[Real fan 02]

Ideal dream scenario we get the first pick next year, but lose all games by less than a score this year i.w. competitive heartbreaking losses and maye is OROY.

And we trade the first pick to giants for 2 1s and 2 2 s and a stud Defensive veteran from their team and with our 2025 1st draft our long term LT and then again trade up to get the best available defensive player in end of 1st round . Rest all would be rookies to shore up our depth .

If Polk and maye pan out we would have struck gold with 2023 and 2024 drafts and could be in real good contention in 2025 with LT and additional edge rusher being the lone gap. I don't expect us to resign Uche. Maybe we might need a CB to replace J Jones who is still playing like a stud.

I like it. I entertained the idea of possible wolf looking into trading for Jhaire Alexander to pair with gonzo on the outside. We have some guys but no one has separated themselves on the outside yet. I think we all collective agree the O line is priority. We need to draft at least 2 tackles IMO. Leonard Williams was available last season we should have been in on. So I'm thinking OTs , CB, LB, DE in the draft?

 

[signbabybrady]

I like it. I entertained the idea of possible wolf looking into trading for Jhaire Alexander to pair with gonzo on the outside. We have some guys but no one has separated themselves on the outside yet. I think we all collective agree the O line is priority. We need to draft at least 2 tackles IMO. Leonard Williams was available last season we should have been in on. So I'm thinking OTs , CB, LB, DE in the draft?

I'd draft 7 LTs and a developmental center.

 

[PatsFan2]

Agreed. However I'm thinking of we can beat NY. And SF would give us some momentum. Defense has taken a hit and they still play hard and limit offenses. I don't think there is a team on the schedule that has 3 #1 WRs like what Seattle has as a unit. That will stress any Defense. This team has heart, fight, toughness and well COACHED. The only thing that can hurt them is the injury bug.

Points taken Rham is on a mission he reminds me of vintage Le'Veon Bell. Rham's yardage after contact is almost unreal hope we don't run him into the ground. Your man Gibby is ready nice 50 yard run.

 

[Real fan 02]

Points taken Rham is on a mission he reminds me of vintage Le'Veon Bell. Rham's yardage after contact is almost unreal hope we don't run him into the ground. Your man Gibby is ready nice 50 yard run.

Yes. He and gibby as I had projected are one of the best RB duos in the NFL. They both are big, strong and physical but also quick and agile. I also like the change of pace back in hasty.

 

[Real fan 02]

I haven't seen enough of this team to claim for Maye

yeah, Brisset is pretty ****. Maybe a bit worse than I expected.

But you cannot put a rookie behind this oline, at untill you are certain that you have your best 5, and they have played a bit together.

The team is playing much better than expected, if we disregard 2 or 3 critical plays, even if the bar was low.

Steady improvement is all that it matters this year

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Looking a little forward, but…

- No CMC or Deebo in week 4 game
- No Tua in week 5 game (went on IR today)

Definitely helps the defense and limits the offensive potency of those teams. If the Pats can get some things figured out on their own side then maybe they can get one win there (Miami more likely)

If they can beat NYJ this week, lose to SF and then beat Miami (Maye game?) they’ll be off to a 3-2 start, 3-0 in the AFC and 2-0 in the division which ain’t too shabby at all. Well positioned to push for a lower ranked playoff seed.

Yeah, after this last game which we def should have won, on top of beating Cinci on the road, the time is now, which was not the feeling before the games started. We're as good as most of the teams on our schedule, assuming:
- we can stabilize the OL, whose main problem right now is the injuries to Lowe, Sow, & Strange
- we can unlock Pop, Tyquan, and Polk - which is mainly up to Jacoby
- we move on to Maye for the SF game

 

[Real fan 02]

Yeah, after this last game which we def should have won, on top of beating Cinci on the road, the time is now, which was not the feeling before the games started. We're as good as most of the teams on our schedule, assuming:
- we can stabilize the OL, whose main problem right now is the injuries to Lowe, Sow, & Strange
- we can unlock Pop, Tyquan, and Polk - which is mainly up to Jacoby
- we move on to Maye for the SF game

I'm posted similar sentiments. I believe the next game is huge. I know the Jets have a good defense but they are like us banged up on D. We should be able to move the ball. We know what the line is.. so whenever Brissett has a clean pocket he should be looking for pop.

I've begged the question how many 120 yards passing before mayo says enough?

 

[jdlboot14]

I expect us to lose in a close game, with very little changing as far as offensive potency.
We'll keep it close, okay run game, but it'll come down to 4th qtr where JB can't move the passing O when the game depends on it.
That will increase the noise for Maye. But, they won't play him yet - until after the SF trip.
I just hope that these next two games allow the OL to get more healthy (move Big Mike back to RG, play Wallace at either T)
And for the WR's to keep improving, expanding their playbook. Maybe even getting Bourne back after week 4...
So Maye will start (or at least come in 2nd half) vs MIA in week 5.

 

[Thelonious]

I agree! More than anything what is hurting the line is the constant line up changes as the offensive line need to be most cohesive unit on a team. Be Goof to have 5 guys together for a number of games.

I think the reason we have not been able to reap the benefits of a consistent o-line is that the personnel is just so lousy. Perhaps if they had settled on a group early and stuck with it, we might arguably be better off, but I don't buy it. To do so we would have had to forego to a degree evaluating the o-linement not chosen to be part of that group, which would have been a genuine loss, given how insecure a sense we had - perhaps have - of the merits of the ragtag gaggle of players assembled by those who acquired them under Bill and subsequently. It may be, I suppose, that the present coaching staff working with the o-linemen is not up to the job, but I myself have no evidence whatsoever that that is the case. How would one know?

It's a guessing game, and there is blame enough to go around, Lord knows, but I think the main driver of the o-line's inadequacy is the poor quality of the players on hand, a couple of them aside. If I had to pick someone to blame, it would be the drafting work of present and past GM's. Neither Bil nor the new guy did a remotely responsible job of maintaining/building an o-line roster worthy of an NFL team.

If the present GM, or whatever his title is, can't remedy the o-line issue in the next draft/trade/free agent phase, I'd fire him. I think in fact that there might even be a strengthening case to be made that given the questionable quality of his work both under Bill and subsequently, we might do well give up on him even sooner.

One hears how broadly admired Wolf is in "GM community." Maybe they just like having squishy-as-a-grape adversaries heading up other teams' draft rooms - guys they can out-think and take advantage of. Maybe it's not so much admiration as gratitude for the incompetence of an adversary. Maybe the Wolf is a kitty. Maybe he's just a nice guy elevated by nepotism to a job he cannot do.