Patriots Daily News Thread Wednesday Patriots News Thread 8/21

[PatsFan2]

Wonder if they contemplate putting Onwenu back at RT and playing Robinson at RG. Does the overall unit play improve? It seems like they are happy with Robinson so far. When Strange returns, Sow could go over to RG and Strange takes back LG. Overall, though, LT is still the pain point. I guess you could move Okorafor over to LT but I'm not sure he's measurably better than Lowe has been.

I'm hearing very good things about L Robinson his early development would be a blessing for this Team.

 

[Sciz]

People keep mentioning the "cap floor" but there's no such thing in 2024. It's a 3 year window of spending, and 2024 is the first year of that 3 year period. So pointing to the cap floor as a reason for needing to spend right now doesn't make a lot of sense. You can't really make that argument in good faith until 2026.

Teams do seem to be trying to stay on pace rather than falling behind and catching up later. Only the Cowboys are shy of 90% for 2024 right now, and they could join the other 31 teams at over 90% if they can come to an agreement with CeeDee Lamb (or less likely Prescott or Parsons).

 

[Ross12]

Teams do seem to be trying to stay on pace rather than falling behind and catching up later. Only the Cowboys are shy of 90% for 2024 right now, and they could join the other 31 teams at over 90% if they can come to an agreement with CeeDee Lamb (or less likely Prescott or Parsons).

Sure, but the argument that "they HAD to spend that much, they're required to!" holds no water.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

The CBA mandate reasoning would make sense if the Pats spent that much and then stopped. It’s completely irrelevant now that they’re $70M past the 90% minimum (in the first of three years).

It still applies. Of course they did not stop at the absolute minimum. Why do they have so much cap space in '24, '25, and '26?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Spending money for the sake of spending money is the best way to land your butt at the bottom of the league time and again.. Just ask the Jets.

Saving money just for the sake of saving money is the best way to be at the bottom of the league. Who will win more games this year, the Pats of the JETS?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Sure, but the argument that "they HAD to spend that much, they're required to!" holds no water.

It holds water. You are being pedantic. Are they going to get sued? No - you are right.

The Pats are not required to upgrade their locker room, weight room, or family room. RK said he had no idea the players were dissatisfied. But the Pats did it. Why? Because of the preception. Same thing in this case. Are they legally required to spend to just over the limit? Yes. Did they spend over the minumum limit? Yes. Why? Because spending right over the limit is obviously "being cheap". So they went 10% over the limit. It is the same thing.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Teams do seem to be trying to stay on pace rather than falling behind and catching up later. Only the Cowboys are shy of 90% for 2024 right now, and they could join the other 31 teams at over 90% if they can come to an agreement with CeeDee Lamb (or less likely Prescott or Parsons).

You are correct. What company suspends all R&D for a year, and tries to catch up the next year by spending twice as much on R&D. No companies act that way because it does not work. Same thing applies to the Pats. Having a MONSTER FA class in '25 or '26 to make up for under spending in '24 is NUTS.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Overall, though, LT is still the pain point. I guess you could move Okorafor over to LT but I'm not sure he's measurably better than Lowe has been.

I think if they liked Chuks at LT, he'd have been at LT the last few weeks. I think they see more upside with Lowe.

 

[WinstonSmith]

You are correct. What company suspends all R&D for a year, and tries to catch up the next year by spending twice as much on R&D. No companies act that way because it does not work. Same thing applies to the Pats. Having a MONSTER FA class in '25 or '26 to make up for under spending in '24 is NUTS.

That's a poor analogy, you do realize that there's a difference in maximizing profit/stock and building a superbowl contender, right?

 

[Fuzz]

 

[Ross12]

I think if they liked Chuks at LT, he'd have been at LT the last few weeks. I think they see more upside with Lowe.

Maybe, but I get the sense that they've also potentially been trying to give guys a lot of reps at positions that they may not necessarily play, but just want them to be prepared.

 

[Fuzz]

Maye had his first reps with Andrews today

 

[The Gr8est]

He hasn’t been great, but losing Lowe would not be optimal.

 

[Ross12]

An INT and a near-INT for Brissett? That's not how you win the QB battle.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

That's a poor analogy, you do realize that there's a difference in maximizing profit/stock and building a superbowl contender, right?

Yes, no analogy is complete. This case is no different. An analogy is by definition a correlation for the purpose of explanation.

The need for continued improvement for a business' long term sustainability and the idea that doubling activity in one year can not compensate for no activity in a prior year applies.

 

[mgteich]

I wonder if they were hoping to sneak him through and then onto the PS

If that were the case, they would have waived him in the last hour of the cutdowns.

 

[jmt57]

Patriots release veteran DT ahead of cutdown day

The Patriots must get their roster down to 53 players by Tuesday.

www.masslive.com

Purcell was brought in after Christian Barmore was diagnosed with blood clots. With no timetable for his return, New England needed some depth at the position. The veteran defensive tackle was playing behind Davon Godchaux, Jeremiah Pharms, Daniel Ekuale and Trysten Hill during training camp.​

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Purcell had a brief stint with New England in 2017 when he was signed to the team’s practice squad in October. He was released a day later before re-signing to the practice squad that November. The 33-year-old was released for a second time a few weeks later.​

 

[jmt57]

Report: Patriots among teams interested in left tackle Dennis Daley

The Patriots need an upgrade and/or more depth at left tackle, and it seems free agent Dennis Daley is on their radar.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

 

[Love The Drake]

Report: Patriots among teams interested in left tackle Dennis Daley

The Patriots need an upgrade and/or more depth at left tackle, and it seems free agent Dennis Daley is on their radar.

www.nbcsportsboston.com

Why not.

 

[WinstonSmith]

Yes, no analogy is complete. This case is no different. An analogy is by definition a correlation for the purpose of explanation.

The need for continued improvement for a business' long term sustainability and the idea that doubling activity in one year can not compensate for no activity in a prior year applies.

Actually it doesn't apply even if we move beyond the silly hyperbole of doubling in one year to no activity In a prior year:

1. Large companies often delay spending cash reserves for more than a year to take advantage of market-timing issues or synergies gained via strategic timing/coordination of efforts.

2. Spending should refect the level of talent being pursued and signed and not some fan boy's need to spend cap dollars.

3 You're comparing an ambiguous company that I would assume is in a relatively free market to a team in the NFL that operates within the rules and frameworks of the NFL, which is far from a free market. The NFL rules and framework, including the rookie pool and salary cap, incentivizes and rewards teams to build via the draft as opposed to via free agency, especially for long term (not one off) success.

This, especially for rebuilding teams, can create timing issues between cap/cash spending and supporting/developing young core talent. Smart teams will try to add to and maximize their draft capital, they'll resign their best players, and then will augment the team via smart FA acquisitions. Sometimes this means they'll have a decent cap carryover to the next season. We'll have to agree to disagree.