Patriots Daily News Thread Tuesday Patriots News Thread 8/20

[Brotherblues]

Exactly. Smokes guys in practice, playing exclusively with the 1s. Has started both preseason games. Has run just a handful of routes each game and still managed to get open for sure TDs with a better QB. They've sat him both games before he breaks a sweat. Just the ultimate "starter" treatment all the way through.

 

[PatsFan2]

Exactly. Smokes guys in practice, playing exclusively with the 1s. Has started both preseason games. Has run just a handful of routes each game. Has still managed to get open for sure TDs with a better QB. They've sat him both games before he breaks a sweat. Just the ultimate "starter" treatment all the way through.

Glad they are watching Tyquan's tapes closely not because a guy isn't targeted doesn't mean he's not getting open. I thought he was going be a Bust but he's really stepped it up in practice now get him a QB who can get him the football hint *Drake Maye*.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

To my untrained eye this looks like a good amount of seperation and the qb failed in each instance. I can see why hes a roster lock now. Still not sold on him in terms of reliability and want to see him prove it in real games but appears he should at least get 2024 to prove himself.

 

[hornetfb85]

Ready for the full speed youth movement at WR. Polk, Douglas, Baker, Thornton and Boutte. Bourne to PUP or IR or whichever one means he sits 6 weeks and comes back. Let those 5 get as many reps as possible. Then when Bourne is healthy, the young guys have some experience under their belt. We will also know by that point if our OL will get Maye killed or not. If the OL shows some ability to pass protect I would think about putting Maye in there. If he’s gonna get trucked every dropback I’m not even entertaining it.

 

[Ross12]

To my untrained eye this looks like a good amount of seperation and the qb failed in each instance. I can see why hes a roster lock now. Still not sold on him in terms of reliability and want to see him prove it in real games but appears he should at least get 2024 to prove himself.

His route running is SO much better this season, he's really improved significantly... and he's still super fast. So this might finally be his year to put it all together. But I still have the same concern you mentioned - reliability. When he hits the ground will he get up in 1 piece?

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

His route running is SO much better this season, he's really improved significantly... and he's still super fast. So this might finally be his year to put it all together. But I still have the same concern you mentioned - reliability. When he hits the ground will he get up in 1 piece?

Also needs a qb to get him the ball. Really hope to see him and maye on the field together soon

 

[Ross12]

Also needs a qb to get him the ball. Really hope to see him and maye on the field together soon

I also think that this is another way that starting Maye is helpful - less potential Tyquan injury risk. If Brissett is throwing deep to him, it's less accurate and he has to try to adjust and track the ball and probably goes to the ground. If Maye is throwing deep to him, there's a good chance it's a dime right in his hands in stride.

 

[Zuma]

Also needs a qb to get him the ball. Really hope to see him and maye on the field together soon

It’s such a small sample size of him actually playing…I’m just not even sold he is capable of catching the deep ball somewhat consistently…but I’d like to see him get to that point so we can find out.

 

[Fuzz]

Guy who didn't know where to line up sounded like Harry.

Sounds like every single rookie receiver he ever played with. Brady was amazing at what he did, but I’ve always wondered if he hampered the development of most of our drafted receivers by demanding excellence from the jump.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Isn't Parcell's the coach who started Drew as a rookie?

 

[PatsFan2]

Isn't Parcell's the coach who started Drew as a rookie?

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Ex coaches and grumpy ex players are getting to be as full of crap as sleazy media pundits. It is all about getting those clicks.

 

[The Gr8est]

Also needs a qb to get him the ball. Really hope to see him and maye on the field together soon

Hopeful that Tyquan has turned the corner and will be an asset.

I don’t remember any other player who you had to consistently be concerned about physically every time they hit the ground.

 

[Sicilian]

Isn't Parcell's the coach who started Drew as a rookie?

I don't think that's necessarily hypocritical. He didn't say "Never start a rookie QB under any circumstances." He just said you have to make sure he's mentally ready for it. He clearly thought Drew was ready. We'll see when the Patriots feel the same about Maye.

It's also possible that Parcells has changed his stance on the issue sometime in the last 30 years.

 

[Wozzy]

To my untrained eye this looks like a good amount of seperation and the qb failed in each instance. I can see why hes a roster lock now. Still not sold on him in terms of reliability and want to see him prove it in real games but appears he should at least get 2024 to prove himself.

I've been saying this for the last two years, beyond being able to stay healthy, the only thing Tyquan needed was blocking and a QB who could get him the ball.

I remember going to practices all last season and thinking man, this guy gets open on every play but he's so far downfield those little QB's couldn't see him or the blocking didn't hold up long enough to find him. The typical draft bashers didn't want to hear it or see it, but he had no problem getting open.

 

[Ross12]

I don't think that's necessarily hypocritical. He didn't say "Never start a rookie QB under any circumstances." He just said you have to make sure he's mentally ready for it. He clearly thought Drew was ready. We'll see when the Patriots feel the same about Maye.

It's also possible that Parcells has changed his stance on the issue sometime in the last 30 years.

This is what's tough for me.

So many talking heads, media members, ex-coaches, players, etc are just saying what boils down to "don't play him until he's ready."

Well what the hell does "ready" mean, exactly? Can someone define that? Ready for what? I'm sure he's "ready" to line up and receive a snap, and I'm also sure he's NOT "ready" to lead a Brady-caliber drive dissecting every coverage perfectly over and over. So what is the goal here exactly? At what point does a QB become "ready" to play?

 

[mike_usagisan]

This is what's tough for me.

So many talking heads, media members, ex-coaches, players, etc are just saying what boils down to "don't play him until he's ready."

Well what the hell does "ready" mean, exactly? Can someone define that? Ready for what? I'm sure he's "ready" to line up and receive a snap, and I'm also sure he's NOT "ready" to lead a Brady-caliber drive dissecting every coverage perfectly over and over. So what is the goal here exactly? At what point does a QB become "ready" to play?

Mainly I want to wait until he's ready to process the game fast enough to get through his progressions, but also won't develop bad habits because the line isn't going to hold up. But I have no idea how Mayo makes that call.

 

[Sicilian]

This is what's tough for me.

So many talking heads, media members, ex-coaches, players, etc are just saying what boils down to "don't play him until he's ready."

Well what the hell does "ready" mean, exactly? Can someone define that? Ready for what? I'm sure he's "ready" to line up and receive a snap, and I'm also sure he's NOT "ready" to lead a Brady-caliber drive dissecting every coverage perfectly over and over. So what is the goal here exactly? At what point does a QB become "ready" to play?

I think that can vary depending on the team. I don't know what the plan they've determined is, but my guess is they have a specific list of things they want him to show, in a planned order (get the footwork up to speed, then get the playcalls and cadence down pat, etc), and they're sticking to that so as not to overwhelm him. Remember, he was the youngest QB with very little starting experience in college. If there's a "right" way to do it, there's no reason to scrap that and rush him just because Brissett has been uninspiring.

 

[Clonamery]

I think that can vary depending on the team. I don't know what the plan they've determined is, but my guess is they have a specific list of things they want him to show, in a planned order (get the footwork up to speed, then get the playcalls and cadence down pat, etc), and they're sticking to that so as not to overwhelm him. Remember, he was the youngest QB with very little starting experience in college. If there's a "right" way to do it, there's no reason to scrap that and rush him just because Brissett has been uninspiring.

This is fine. Home game would be ideal.

 

[Sicilian]

This is fine. Home game would be ideal.

Yeah, that four game stretch from weeks 5-8 (Miami, Houston, Jax (London), and Jets) seems like the most likely stretch. Could be sooner too of course, but I feel like, on the trajectory he's showing, anything beyond week 8 means something has gone wrong, or the Patriots are being too stringent on the requirements.