Aiyuk officially requests trade

[PatsFan2]

All evidence to the contrary over the past two seasons.

Wasn't he suspended for one of those seasons?? Not that I'm nitpicking or anything.

 

[Grogan14]

Aiyuk if he is smart should not want to come to Patriots

Niners would be wise to take Cooper and draft picks from Browns

Aiyuk will not make a difference for Pats

 

[203Pat]

This actually is not close to being true. Are you confusing him with Gil Brandt, the long-time Cowboys player personnel executive who died last year at the age of 91? Andrew Brandt was VP of the Pack for less than a decade and has been out of the NFL altogether since 2008.

Having clarified that, Andrew Brandt is a smart guy and at one point was Green Bay’s cap expert and main contract negotiator so he knows his stuff, assuming that he has stayed current with the new salary cap rules, which which seems likely.

The cap is crap in the sense that there are enough loopholes that a team can figure out ways to fit almost all of their top guys under the cap (although we have seen plenty of teams who have let young, talented players walk in free agency due to seller concerns) and with the cap limit rising significantly every year, teams can get away with a lot more than they used to be able to. There is usually collateral damage, however, to going all-in and signing all of your stars to big money contracts. It can have a dramatic effect on a team’s ability to play the second year players and role players, and in general can leave teams with very little depth.

We are seeing an example of the cap not being crap in Dallas. Yes, Jerry may not completely believe in Dak and is, therefore, hesitant to give him a record setting contract while using the cap as an excuse for not locking him up already, but cap restraints/concerns are also likely playing a role in their negotiations with him and CD.

Blah. I think I meant to say between being an agent and a GM he basically had 20 years experience negotiating NFL contracts.

Not sure what his exact title was the whole time he was there but per Packers.com he was in charge of negotiating player contracts starting in 2001.

In February 1999, Brandt was hired as the Packers' director of player finance/ football operations after two separate stints as a high-profile agent. Now entering his third season with the team, his primary responsibilities include negotiating player contracts and interacting with player representatives. In other words, he now sits on the exact opposite side of the table from his former peers.

 

[KCSVEN]

 

[TheRainMaker]

Blah. I think I meant to say between being an agent and a GM he basically had 20 years experience negotiating NFL contracts.

Not sure what his exact title was the whole time he was there but per Packers.com he was in charge of negotiating player contracts starting in 2001.

In February 1999, Brandt was hired as the Packers' director of player finance/ football operations after two separate stints as a high-profile agent. Now entering his third season with the team, his primary responsibilities include negotiating player contracts and interacting with player representatives. In other words, he now sits on the exact opposite side of the table from his former peers.

Listening to a podcast with former Eagles executive Jake Rosenberg echoes what Andrew Brandt has said that fans and media are misinformed on how the cap works. In a nutshell, it all comes down to cashflow and whether an Owner wants to pay up or not. You can fit anyone you want under the cap. Brandt uses Brady as a prime example of taking less money over the years for absolutely no reason.

Also, he said players will often forget their player averages which causes them to get angry and hold out. For example, they make most of their money upfront in year one, but then notice they make less and less as the years go on. Then they see another player get an outrageous amount forgetting to look at the life of the contract. This plays into the Judon situation who's pissed off he's only making $6.5M this season. I do think he overall average is still low compared to his peers, but he's not taking into account his overall average is around $13-$15M per season.

 

[Real fan 02]

I am all for draft, develop, and pay. That is ideally how I hope we do things but when we continually fail to develop receivers we need to stop bargain hunting for the Sanu's, Agholor's, and Devante Parker's of the world. Trade for AJ Brown, Deandre Hopkins, Tyreek Hill, Stefon Diggs, Davante Adams instead of letting the Eagles, Cardinals, Dolphins, Bills, and Raiders do it. Surround your young QB with actual athletes.

Agree. That's what hampered the last regime. It was always expected that goat could elevate any WR burng in. Outside of Brown and moss there were really never what I'd call real attempts of going after game changers in FA or the draft at WR. What I'd absolutely love to see is if polk and baker could become those types of players here. I'll say this from what I see from those guys they don't seem like rookies.. Baker and his routes and head fakes, polk and his ability to change his route and own the middle is just a welcome revelation.

 

[Real fan 02]

Are 9ners going to pay anyone? The QB, the LT and thier best offensive player all haven't been paid.

 

[Wozzy]

Listening to a podcast with former Eagles executive Jake Rosenberg echoes what Andrew Brandt has said that fans and media are misinformed on how the cap works. In a nutshell, it all comes down to cashflow and whether an Owner wants to pay up or not. You can fit anyone you want under the cap. Brandt uses Brady as a prime example of taking less money over the years for absolutely no reason.

You can fit anyone you want under the cap, there are also ramifications for that. For every dollar spent, a dollar of salary cap has to be accounted for. There's no tax shelter in the Bahamas for salary cap debt. The Dolphins just let their best defensive lineman walk out the door because they have to sign their QB and because of decisions made in their recent past. Anything that forces teams to make tough personnel decisions and allow good players to walk out the door is not "crap." The NFL has a hard cap... period. This isn't baseball.

Also, he said players will often forget their player averages which causes them to get angry and hold out. For example, they make most of their money upfront in year one, but then notice they make less and less as the years go on. Then they see another player get an outrageous amount forgetting to look at the life of the contract. This plays into the Judon situation who's pissed off he's only making $6.5M this season. I do think he overall average is still low compared to his peers, but he's not taking into account his overall average is around $13-$15M per season.

Averages are all well and good, the cap goes up almost every season. Judon got a bump last year because he was coming off a season where he was tied for third in the NFL in sacks and 7th in tackles for a loss... he outplayed his average salary and the team rewarded him. They took money from the last year of his contract to reward him.

Now is 2024, he has 6.5 million left on his contract for this year. Expecting him to play for roughly half his average salary from year's past is not realistic. And the way NFL contracts are set up through collective bargaining, the last year of his deal is a negotiable year, he's pushing for a new contract... for security. What he made in the past has no bearing on the situation at all. The Patriots don't care about the past and neither does Judon... the only thing that matters is this year and going forward.

 

[rkarp1]

You can fit anyone you want under the cap, there are also ramifications for that. For every dollar spent, a dollar of salary cap has to be accounted for. There's no tax shelter in the Bahamas for salary cap debt. The Dolphins just let their best defensive lineman walk out the door because they have to sign their QB and because of decisions made in their recent past. Anything that forces teams to make tough personnel decisions and allow good players to walk out the door is not "crap." The NFL has a hard cap... period. This isn't baseball.

Averages are all well and good, the cap goes up almost every season. Judon got a bump last year because he was coming off a season where he was tied for third in the NFL in sacks and 7th in tackles for a loss... he outplayed his average salary and the team rewarded him. They took money from the last year of his contract to reward him.

Now is 2024, he has 6.5 million left on his contract for this year. Expecting him to play for roughly half his average salary from year's past is not realistic. And the way NFL contracts are set up through collective bargaining, the last year of his deal is a negotiable year, he's pushing for a new contract... for security. What he made in the past has no bearing on the situation at all. The Patriots don't care about the past and neither does Judon... the only thing that matters is this year and going forward.

that is absolutely false since contracts are not guaranteed.

 

[Wozzy]

that is absolutely false since contracts are not guaranteed.

Guaranteed money is all players, agents and team care about... it's all we're talking about now.

What's next? Water is wet, the sky is blue... you're not adding anything we don't already know.

 

[rkarp1]

Guaranteed money is all players, agents and team care about... it's all we're talking about now.

What's next? Water is wet, the sky is blue... you're not adding anything we don't already know.

but if 50-60% of the money in deals are guaranteed, then 40-50% of the money is not guaranteed. how is a contract an albatross if teams can walk away?
you continuously us the Wilkins deal as your narrative, but the Phins are paying everyone else. if they felt paying Wilkins was the best football decision, then they would of. Wilkins was not cut due to cap space. other players were ahead of him.

 

[Wozzy]

but if 50-60% of the money in deals are guaranteed, then 40-50% of the money is not guaranteed. how is a contract an albatross if teams can walk away?

We’re all talking about guaranteed money.

Between last season playing for us and now not playing at all, the Chargers owe 30 million in dead cap for JC Jackson. I’ll be sure to tell the Chargers 30M shouldn’t sting too bad because they got out of the last year of his contract.

Players can also “walk away,” which is what Judon is doing. The last year of a contract is a write off and every penny is negotiable… that’s how collective bargaining worked out. Yore either on the side of the billionaires or the guy laying his health on the line.

you continuously us the Wilkins deal as your narrative, but the Phins are paying everyone else. if they felt paying Wilkins was the best football decision, then they would of.

Wilkins was not cut due to cap space. other players were ahead of him.

Why, the cap is crap… right?

Unless you’re suggesting he isn’t great, in which case you’re high.

 

[dliverey44]

The cap doesn’t exist, it’s cool…

The cap exists as an accounting tool, but can be manipulated in many different ways.

 

[rkarp1]

We’re all talking about guaranteed money.

Between last season playing for us and now not playing at all, the Chargers owe 30 million in dead cap for JC Jackson. I’ll be sure to tell the Chargers 30M shouldn’t sting too bad because they got out of the last year of his contract.

Players can also “walk away,” which is what Judon is doing. The last year of a contract is a write off and every penny is negotiable… that’s how collective bargaining worked out. Yore either on the side of the billionaires or the guy laying his health on the line.


Why, the cap is crap… right?

Unless you’re suggesting he isn’t great, in which case you’re high.

Jackson's deal was for $82.5 m
the LAC paid his $28m
they saved over $50m on his deal.
that's why the cap is crap

yes you already said "For every dollar spent, a dollar of salary cap has to be accounted for."

which of course is incorrect

we agreed on this. you will not discuss anything cap related as it goes completely over your head.

 

[rkarp1]

We’re all talking about guaranteed money.

Between last season playing for us and now not playing at all, the Chargers owe 30 million in dead cap for JC Jackson. I’ll be sure to tell the Chargers 30M shouldn’t sting too bad because they got out of the last year of his contract.

Players can also “walk away,” which is what Judon is doing. The last year of a contract is a write off and every penny is negotiable… that’s how collective bargaining worked out. Yore either on the side of the billionaires or the guy laying his health on the line.


Why, the cap is crap… right?

Unless you’re suggesting he isn’t great, in which case you’re high.

no one said Wilkins was not great
some teams believe paying a DT that much money is not worth the value.
thats a football decision
sorry

 

[KCSVEN]

Pretty Rickey says deal is done. Rapaport and Pelissero say not done and this guy says done to Steelers, who do we believe? I think it is Steelers and done.

 

[Wozzy]

The cap exists as an accounting tool, but can be manipulated in many different ways.

The cap is why accounting tools or gimmicks exist… to circumnavigate the cap.

But beyond paying it off, or trading it away, there’s no way to make cap debt disappear. You pay eventually…

 

[Wozzy]

Jackson's deal was for $82.5 m
the LAC paid his $28m
they saved over $50m on his deal.
that's why the cap is crap

yes you already said "For every dollar spent, a dollar of salary cap has to be accounted for."

which of course is incorrect

we agreed on this. you will not discuss anything cap related as it goes completely over your head.

Only you could make paying 30 million in dead cap sound delicious. You a used car salesman?

 

[slash83]

Pretty Rickey says deal is done. Rapaport and Pelissero say not done and this guy says done to Steelers, who do we believe? I think it is Steelers and done.

If true this is a disgusting miss for NE.

 

[rkarp1]

The cap is why accounting tools or gimmicks exist… to circumnavigate the cap.

But beyond paying it off, or trading it away, there’s no way to make cap debt disappear. You pay eventually…

you can cut the player and walk away from a percentage of owed money or 100% of owed money depending on the structure of the deal