Rookies Report For Training Camp

[Wozzy]

You always tell us wins and points matter the most and now it seems they don’t. Weird.

If you don’t have an all world QB and the Pats are one of many teams who don’t- then a #1 receiver is very helpful.

Like I said... Tom wasn't an All World QB in 2001, he was a first time starter being held by Charlie Weis's hand and doing his best not to turn it over. Tom threw one TD in the entire 2001 postseason... but you were twelve so you're only going on hazy memories of those days so here we are.

 

[gobesmug]

Nobody knows if Polk, Baker or even Thornton might develop into a #1… nobody here can even describe the exact criteria for what makes a “#1.”

The need for a #1 receiver is a myth.

David Patten stretched the field and provided a deep threat which opened up underneath routes.

David Givens was a big strong physical presence who could win on the outside.

Troy Brown was the ultra quick slot receiver who could win in a phone booth and take advantage of the middle of the field.

Kevin Faulk was a quick shifty RB who could catch like a WR and makes plays out of the backfield and on outlet passes.

None of these guys was some ridiculously talented superweapon, they all had a role and attacked an area of the field which allowed the others to do the same. The QB threw to the open man.

The overriding need for a superweapon is a myth. The Chiefs haven’t had one the last two years and won rings.

Travis Kelce has been their HOF weapon.

Few teams win without an elite playmaker on offense. Whether that difference maker is a RB, WR or TE doesn't matter, you need someone like that to win.

 

[gobesmug]

In 2001 Brady wasn’t an “All World QB,” he was ranked 24th in the NFL at 190 passing yards per game… you were 12 years old and still believed in superheroes so I understand your confusion.

Ypg is the most over rated stat of all time.

Fact is the Pats with Bledsoe the year before ave 17ppg which placed the offense in the bottom 10 of the league. With Brady that offense went from ave 10ppg with Bledsoe in 2001 to being the 6th ranked offense ave over 25ppg.

Brady also only played 14 full games. In 14 games as a starter he ave 200 ypg, and after a couple more games he got that ave over 210 ypg.

Brady was also 14th in TD and was tied at 7th with fewest Int thrown.

He obviously wasn't in the top 5 at that point but he certainly wasn't mediocre either. Changing out the QB and going from a 25th ranked offense to a 6 ranked offense is the most important stat.

 

[sb1]

Like I said... Tom wasn't an All World QB in 2001, he was a first time starter being held by Charlie Weis's hand and doing his best not to turn it over. Tom threw one TD in the entire 2001 postseason...

Narrator: one game was in a blizzard and he missed 3/4 of another game from injury, and the Rams might have had the best defense in the league. Only low information fans use that 1 TD as a knock on the GOAT.

The Pats or any other team without a great QB can win a ton of games without a top shelf receiver? Good luck with that.

but you were twelve so you're only going on hazy memories of those days so here we are.

 

[Real fan 02]

In 2001 Brady wasn’t an “All World QB,” he was ranked 24th in the NFL at 190 passing yards per game… you were 12 years old and still believed in superheroes so I understand your confusion.

 

[upstater1]

Narrator: one game was in a blizzard and he missed 3/4 of another game from injury, and the Rams might have had the best defense in the league. Only low information fans use that 1 TD as a knock on the GOAT.

The Pats or any other team without a great QB can win a ton of games without a top shelf receiver? Good luck with that.

Do you think that Rams offense was any good?

They scored 3 points.

On a day in which the Patriots offense couldn't move the ball and they kept giving the ball right back to...

One of the top 11 offenses in the history of the NFL!!

Between holding the Greatest Show on Turf to so few points, squelching one of the greatest offenses we've ever seen (2016 Atlanta), and holding down McVay and the Rams to 3, we saw 3 of the greatest defenses Super Bowl performances in NFL history. Seriously: holding 3 of the best offenses ever to a combined 41 points in 3 Super Bowls was an amazing feat.

 

[Wozzy]

Narrator: one game was in a blizzard and he missed 3/4 of another game from injury, and the Rams might have had the best defense in the league. Only low information fans use that 1 TD as a knock on the GOAT.

In 2001 Brady wasn’t an “All World QB,” he was ranked 24th in the NFL at 190 passing yards per game, 16th in YPA, he had 18 TD's to 12 interceptions, 12 fumbles with the 5th most sacks in the NFL despite only starting 14 games.

He was a first time starter and a project. He improved as the season progressed and in the playoffs, he mostly limited turnovers... one INT in the playoffs along with his one TD.

In the words of his coach, Brady didn't become Brady until 2003.

The Pats or any other team without a great QB can win a ton of games without a top shelf receiver? Good luck with that.

Good QB, with good receivers and a great offensive line is enough to win a ring.

Eagles in 2017 were the best team in football all season, Wentz was the Vegas front runner for regular season MVP until he got hurt, Nick Foles took them the rest of the way. Neither of those guys was a great QB and there was no superweapon. Myth busted...

 

[jdlboot14]

Getting psyched for start of TC. Can't believe we've made it to this point again.
It feels like 2021, but with even more of complete reset.
New team, new offense, new leadership. Fun stuff!

 

[A Defiant Goose]

Jesus...what is with the cheesy little kids photos the Pats are doing? This was the type of **** we didn't see when Bill was around. Is Mayo going to hand out orange slices and Capri Suns after practice too?

It's a joke you angry old fart

 

[Steve102]

yeah, kinda embarrassing, no doubt

but hey Foxboro is now fun! so we got that going for us

Oh look, happy first day picks of my new kindergartner.


EDIT: @A Defiant Goose I kinda feel the same. Hopefully the first day/last day photos are them at the SB.

 

[Steve102]

Do you think that Rams offense was any good?

They scored 3 points.

On a day in which the Patriots offense couldn't move the ball and they kept giving the ball right back to...

One of the top 11 offenses in the history of the NFL!!

Between holding the Greatest Show on Turf to so few points, squelching one of the greatest offenses we've ever seen (2016 Atlanta), and holding down McVay and the Rams to 3, we saw 3 of the greatest defenses Super Bowl performances in NFL history. Seriously: holding 3 of the best offenses ever to a combined 41 points in 3 Super Bowls was an amazing feat.

Lest we forget the vaunted Colts offense in 2004-05. Put up 49 vs Denver and then Ty Law's 3 pick game held them to 3 as well.

 

[Clonamery]

It's a joke you angry old fart

He's not that old.

 

[Zuma]

 

[Huckleberry1]

Or blow out his knee 4 games into the season because he is big and slow changing directions and body catches a good bit!!!!!

He’s old too, and white. Don’t forget that.

 

[PatsFan2]

ROY of the year Candidate right there yeah I said it Baker is going to be Very Good.

 

[Dedhampatsfan]

ROY of the year Candidate right there yeah I said it Baker is going to be Very Good.

Barring injuries, agreed! He has the heart.

 

[KCSVEN]

Do you think that Rams offense was any good?

They scored 3 points.

On a day in which the Patriots offense couldn't move the ball and they kept giving the ball right back to...

One of the top 11 offenses in the history of the NFL!!

Between holding the Greatest Show on Turf to so few points, squelching one of the greatest offenses we've ever seen (2016 Atlanta), and holding down McVay and the Rams to 3, we saw 3 of the greatest defenses Super Bowl performances in NFL history. Seriously: holding 3 of the best offenses ever to a combined 41 points in 3 Super Bowls was an amazing feat.

Then you have the Eagles Super Bowl and the Bills playoff loss, 2 of the worst defensive performances in playoff history.
Patriots were lucky that it was Goff and not Stafford that SB and lucky McVeigh was completely in awe of BB or it's a completely different outcome.
BB had the Giants win, the greatest show on turf win. All-time great coaching. The last Rams Super Bowl was good, took advantage of Goff for sure.

The Falcons pretty much went up and down the field (6 yards a carry, 144 QB rating etc.) and made a few stupid plays on offense (fumble, holding penalty, not running the ball to kick a winning field goal etc.), I don't call that game anything close to a good defensive performance.

3 good/great performances, only 1 in the last decade and 2 incredible stinkers., both in the last decade. Seems like BB was not as good as he got older in big games, for whatever reason.

 

[Pape]

If Polk betters TG’s rookie season I’ll dip the jewels in honey and take a jaunt through Jellystone looking for Yogis relatives.

that ... is absolutely hilarious

thanks for the laugh

 

[sb1]

Do you think that Rams offense was any good?

They scored 3 points.

I was referring to the GSOT Rams they had one of the best defenses in the league that year.

On a day in which the Patriots offense couldn't move the ball and they kept giving the ball right back to...

One of the top 11 offenses in the history of the NFL!!

Between holding the Greatest Show on Turf to so few points,

squelching one of the greatest offenses we've ever seen (2016 Atlanta), and holding down McVay and the Rams to 3, we saw 3 of the greatest defenses Super Bowl performances in NFL history. Seriously: holding 3 of the best offenses ever to a combined 41 points in 3 Super Bowls was an amazing feat.

I wouldn’t say they stopped the GSOT… they did let the Rams score twice to tie in the 4th quarter and Warner threw for a then SB passing record number of yards. But they made clutch plays when they needed to and that’s what mattered. The defense had a poor first 40 minutes against the Falcons but then stopped them cold when they needed to and Brady obviously did the rest. The defense unfortunately couldn’t stop Eli Manning twice when it really mattered. Had the lead late and coughed it up both times with a TD drive.

 

[sb1]

Then you have the Eagles Super Bowl and the Bills playoff loss, 2 of the worst defensive performances in playoff history.
Patriots were lucky that it was Goff and not Stafford that SB and lucky McVeigh was completely in awe of BB or it's a completely different outcome.
BB had the Giants win, the greatest show on turf win. All-time great coaching. The last Rams Super Bowl was good, took advantage of Goff for sure.

The Falcons pretty much went up and down the field (6 yards a carry, 144 QB rating etc.) and made a few stupid plays on offense (fumble, holding penalty, not running the ball to kick a winning field goal etc.), I don't call that game anything close to a good defensive performance.

3 good/great performances, only 1 in the last decade and 2 incredible stinkers., both in the last decade. Seems like BB was not as good as he got older in big games, for whatever reason.

Goff looked spooked the whole game. I’m sure Lions Goff would be a lot better than that.

Agreed with the rest. Also being blown out 72-3 in consecutive games in 2024 and not beating any good teams in recent years.