Aiyuk officially requests trade

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Here’s to hoping that he doesn’t go to the queefs, billdos, or phish. Jete I think we don’t have to worry about…

 

[Wozzy]

So let me get this straight, don't take snaps away from a young developing player until next year.

By next year Juju will have no guaranteed money left on his contract and you can cut or upgrade him.

By next year you can have some insight into how good Polk and Baker will be. You signed Osborn to a one year deal, next year you’ll know who he is.

By next year you’ll have either “fixed” Thronton and Boutte or they’ll be gone. By next year you’ll improve the tackle position and have a better chance at a deep passing attack.

Hell, next year Aiyuk might be a free agent and all you’ll have to do is pay him. I didn’t say you have to sign an expensive free agent at all, I said you have a crowded WR room right now with young guys who need snaps and opportunities.

 

[Real fan 02]

ugh still can’t believe we picked Harry over DK and AJ.
I want to know what Wolf would of done?

That's where egos, came into play. As great as we were.. organizationally we just flat out sucked at drafting and developing WRs .

 

[rkarp1]

That's where egos, came into play. As great as we were.. organizationally we just flat out sucked at drafting and developing WRs .

"it was Mac's fault". Wozzy

 

[Zuma]

 

[Zuma]

 

[Toofy]

Any top WR in the league is going for 25 plus.. it's, like the QB market it's what the league is.
It's unavoidable. Even if you develop your own guys if they become high productivity players then they deserved to be paid. Only way he gets traded is a sign and trade. The 49ers developed him, and I'm sure at one point he was willing to play for say 20-25.. maybe a year ago. He's a top 10 WR in the league for sure.

The thing is if rookie WR have higher success rates then you would see a scenario like KC, where the team is filled with lots of number 2s and a solid offensive line. The bust rate is lower when you have decent evaluation criteria . We have lacked that severely in both draft and free agency.

If we need to compete you need to have superstars and you develop and pay them .

Tyreek and Brown were superstars, aiyuk is not top 10 wr in my opinion. And considering the amount of weapons SF has, coupled with shanahan wizardy, it's a risk to evaluate aiyuk potential in isolation.

2nd /3rd rounder + 25 million is what we should partake . If he wants 30 million + , no thanks .

Let's wait up on tee Higgins stake next year . I feel Bengals will have a down year this year.

 

[slash83]

At the end of the day, he’ll be playing in SF this year when it’s all said and done.

 

[PatsFan2]

The thing is if rookie WR have higher success rates then you would see a scenario like KC, where the team is filled with lots of number 2s and a solid offensive line. The bust rate is lower when you have decent evaluation criteria . We have lacked that severely in both draft and free agency.

If we need to compete you need to have superstars and you develop and pay them .

Tyreek and Brown were superstars, aiyuk is not top 10 wr in my opinion. And considering the amount of weapons SF has, coupled with shanahan wizardy, it's a risk to evaluate aiyuk potential in isolation.

2nd /3rd rounder + 25 million is what we should partake . If he wants 30 million + , no thanks .

Let's wait up on tee Higgins stake next year . I feel Bengals will have a down year this year.

Let's give our Week 1 opponent bulletin board material Joe Burrow is Great nuff said!

 

[Wozzy]

The thing is if rookie WR have higher success rates then you would see a scenario like KC, where the team is filled with lots of number 2s and a solid offensive line. The bust rate is lower when you have decent evaluation criteria . We have lacked that severely in both draft and free agency.

If we need to compete you need to have superstars and you develop and pay them .

The Chiefs just proved otherwise two years in a row. From the time Tyreek entered his contract year to last season they drafted 3 WR’s. Sky Moore has had limited returns, Rice has been a good possession WR and one was a bust. But they also brought a bunch of reclamation projects and value vets in at the position. Juju, Watson, Valdes-Scantling… they got by.

Now they grabbed Marquis Brown, he wasn’t some hot commodity, One year 6.5 million guaranteed in a year WR contracts are exploding is great value. Lamar Jackson isn’t a good passer and he certainly has trouble utilizing a little guy like Brown… Mahomes won’t have that problem, see Tyreek. The Chiefs capsize on value vets.

Value vets and VV WR’s was how the Pats got by for two decades; a “washed up” Moss for a 4th rounder, Wes Welker, Amendola, Stallworth, Hogan… you don’t need a superstar. You need a variety of weapons so opponents have to defend every blade of grass.

Tyreek and Brown were superstars, aiyuk is not top 10 wr in my opinion. And considering the amount of weapons SF has, coupled with shanahan wizardy, it's a risk to evaluate aiyuk potential in isolation.

2nd /3rd rounder + 25 million is what we should partake . If he wants 30 million + , no thanks .

Let's wait up on tee Higgins stake next year . I feel Bengals will have a down year this year.

Agree wholeheartedly with everything else you wrote. Draft superweapons, they’re cheap when drafted and developed in-house.

 

[rabidfireweasel]

Mac had a great team around him in 2021 and was still mediocre.. nothing was changing that.

I’d pay through the nose for Randy Moss or Tyreek Hill, is Aiyuk either one of those guys? No, not even close…

Aiyuk on a lesser offense is putting up 800-900 yards per season. He’s in a great position in San Fran, he gets peppered with targets because defenses are accounting for Deebo, Kittle and CMC out of the backfield. The scheme is exceptional, Shanahan is an artist… is Van Pelt?

Watch if San Fran can find some sucker to take him off their hands, they’ll replace Aiyuk with the rookie people say they overdrafted this year and the Pearsall will post similar numbers.

You people are attributing to great skill what is easily explained away by great situation and opportunity. He’s not that talented.

This would be accurate in 2022. He has outperformed Deebo and Kittle the past two years.

 

[PatsFan2]

The thing is if rookie WR have higher success rates then you would see a scenario like KC, where the team is filled with lots of number 2s and a solid offensive line. The bust rate is lower when you have decent evaluation criteria . We have lacked that severely in both draft and free agency.

If we need to compete you need to have superstars and you develop and pay them .

Tyreek and Brown were superstars, aiyuk is not top 10 wr in my opinion. And considering the amount of weapons SF has, coupled with shanahan wizardy, it's a risk to evaluate aiyuk potential in isolation.

2nd /3rd rounder + 25 million is what we should partake . If he wants 30 million + , no thanks .

Let's wait up on tee Higgins stake next year . I feel Bengals will have a down year this year.

The Bengals are really good at Drafting WR's they seem to take one every year. I really liked Charlie Jones in the 23 Draft he has Amendola potential also the Princeton kid Andrei Iosivas: they Drafted Jermaine Burton from Bama last Draft who could be a Steal. The Bengals have some really good guys at the skilled positions.

 

[sb1]

Mac had a great team around him in 2021

That was 7-9 the year before and missed the playoffs.

"Great team"

 

[Kdo5]

Absolutely no way I’d part with any high-mid first round pick for Aiyuk. If we wanted a receiver we should’ve paid during Free Agency.

Too many holes to fill in next years draft with an OT and edge rusher to start. Might as well see what the kids can do this season at receiver.

 

[Real fan 02]

The thing is if rookie WR have higher success rates then you would see a scenario like KC, where the team is filled with lots of number 2s and a solid offensive line. The bust rate is lower when you have decent evaluation criteria . We have lacked that severely in both draft and free agency.

If we need to compete you need to have superstars and you develop and pay them .

Tyreek and Brown were superstars, aiyuk is not top 10 wr in my opinion. And considering the amount of weapons SF has, coupled with shanahan wizardy, it's a risk to evaluate aiyuk potential in isolation.

2nd /3rd rounder + 25 million is what we should partake . If he wants 30 million + , no thanks .

Let's wait up on tee Higgins stake next year . I feel Bengals will have a down year this year.

You are correct. Also the offense we ran for so long was tailored to Brady's strength. However as so many WRs veterans and rookies have said over the years it's very complex. Most organizations don't ask as much as the WRs as we did. As Jules said you have to know what the O line is doing, the TE, the other guys lined up.

That's taxing on a player. The AVP offense is much more WR centric and the passing game feeds of the running game.

For example pop could be Elijah Moore. That's who his game imitates he may even be a little better. So I feel good about polk and baker. They won't have so much pressure on them becuase we have a strong running game to lean on and a top 5 TE in hunter Henry as well especially in the red zone.

 

[Real fan 02]

That was 7-9 the year before and missed the playoffs.

"Great team"

Agree I'd even argue the version of Cam we got was better than crap Zapp...

 

[Real fan 02]

This would be accurate in 2022. He has outperformed Deebo and Kittle the past two years.

Agree and deebo and Kittle are so physical they are always hurt as well so they miss time.

 

[XLIX]

The Chiefs just proved otherwise two years in a row. From the time Tyreek entered his contract year to last season they drafted 3 WR’s. Sky Moore has had limited returns, Rice has been a good possession WR and one was a bust. But they also brought a bunch of reclamation projects and value vets in at the position. Juju, Watson, Valdes-Scantling… they got by.

It's amazing how well teams "get by" when they have the best QB and best TE in football.

Meanwhile, for the 31 teams who don't have Mahomes under center, having talented WR's leads directly to wins.

 

[Real fan 02]

It's amazing how well teams "get by" when they have the best QB and best TE in football.

Meanwhile, for the 31 teams who don't have Mahomes under center, having talented WR's leads directly to wins.

KC is the 2024 version of what we used to be. As we all know brady elevated players and we all know coaches as well. KC still realized they needed a threat on the outside... worthy and Hollywood will thrive with Mahomes.

 

[PatsFan2]

I think a few 2nd + 4th/5th for BA would be fair on both sides. I've been banging this drum for a while now. I have no problem going into the year with the young guys but Aiyuk is a man/coverage beater. Hes extremely efficient and productive. In his prime. Can separate, win outside/deep. One of the better rr and blockers at his position. I mean if it's a 2nd/5th + 25-28 per. You won't find a better option in next years class. Our 1st is off the table unless it's Myles Garrett or someone on that god-tier. Aiyuk is very much worthy of a 2nd though

From another thread ...

"He caught 14 of 20 passes thrown both outside the numbers and 15-plus air yards last season, the best rate (70%) of any player in the last four seasons (min. 20 targets)" - cbs

"No qualifying receiver (at least 50 catches total over the last two seasons) has a higher Success Rate (receptions of at least 40% of yards required on first down, at least 60% of yards required on second down, and 100% of required yards on third or fourth down, divided by targets) than Aiyuk, and only Rashid Shaheed of the New Orleans Saints (11.1) has a higher Yards per Target average over the last two seasons than Aiyuk’s 10.8. And Aiyuk’s catch rate of 69.9% is unusually high for a guy with so many deep targets" - Doug Farrar

Y/R 17.9 (2nd)

1342 (7th) - - - (Out of the top 10 in rec yards he had at least 27 less than the next wr)

1st down % (1st)

YPR (2nd or 3rd I know its Hill, Nico? than Aiyuk or Aiyuk is 2nd) - - - (PFF - In the past 10 years, only six receivers have hit 3.0 yards per route run over a season, Aiyuk being one of them)

***side note***
It's well known Aiyuk was dealing with a core injury when he ran the 40. It's not really a big negative in context. Also BA has an incredible wingspan at 80". Hardly just a guy that runs a "4.5"

---ASTB--- Give Aiyuk more targets and you have a more explosive player and probably still more efficient. Plus Aiyuk is more of an outside threat. He's very as good or better than ASTB.

ASTB had 164 targets this past year for 1515 10 TD 12.7 Y/R
72.6%

22 - 146 targets - 1161 - 6 TD - 10.0 Y/R
72.6%

BA
23 - 105 targets - 1342 - 7 TD - 17.9 Y/R
71.4% catch rate

22 - 114 targets - 1015 - 8 TD - 13.0 Y/R - 68.4 catch rate

Again I never suggested parting with our 25 1st. It's just pretty clear Aiyuk has joined the 1B cast of players."

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@PatsFan2

Interesting you brought up Dontayvion Wicks: the Packers Drafted Four WR's over the the last Two years Watson/Doubs Reed/Wicks and have decent success on all. They are Loaded with young up and coming WR's. Also the Titans have made some vet Acquisitions at WR with D-Hop - Ridley and Slot Tyler Boyd to go with Treylon Burks... Will Levis should be happy with that cast.