We could have drafted a LT who might have started in 2025

[Huckleberry1]

They're only "2nd tier" in your mind because they went in the second round. This was considered a very deep draft class for OT, in other draft classes these two would have gone much higher.

But I agree Polk is a second tier WR, he ran a 4.5... he's not Randy Moss or Calvin Johnson, but he could become a very good WR. Javon Baker is nearly identical player, he was taken in the 4th round... they could be brothers.

Like I said, for me it was a philosophical issue and taking OT was taking a bigger position of need first. Also this is just beating a dead horse at this point. The Patriot's bed is made, there's no use crying over it now. I'm a fan of the laundry, once Caeden Wallace is in uniform I'm rooting for him, once Okorafor is starting at LT I'm rooting for him, I'm rooting for Polk, I'm rooting to be wrong. But if I'm not, I'm going to say I told you so...

By that logic Polk was a first tier prospect who would have gone higher if not for the deep WR class.

 

[PatsFan2]

By that logic Polk was a first tier prospect who would have gone higher if not for the deep WR class.

Wolf have an eye for WR's coming from Green Bay: Polk is a really good WR I watched Washington a lot last year. Watch when Polk hit his stride we are going to say even most of you who wanted a Tackle glad Wolf didn't listed to us. That said Polk - Baker and Pop puts us back on the WR Map.

 

[PatsFan2]

By that logic Polk was a first tier prospect who would have gone higher if not for the deep WR class.

Good post: people forget that the Draft was so deep @ WR that Seven went in the First Round. Also Three went at the very Top of the Second Ladd and Coleman could have been First Rounders Picks 31-34 were all WR's.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

Prioritizing WR over offensive tackle.

There's nothing wrong with that, though. WR has arguably become the second most important position in the game. The trenches are still extremely important but the game has changed.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing wr in 2024/25. The only issue I really care about is value. I had Polk just missing the 2nd so it's not a huge gap at all but had Paul comfortably as a 2nd rounder. There's not a huge gap for me but I did have Paul > Polk as a grade. We'll see what happens. Polk and Baker are guys that really should complement Maye. Hands, catch radius, catching through contact. Again we'll see what happens

 

[Wozzy]

You are overrating the oline. John Hannah is the GOAT LG and never won a ring.

One great lineman on a bad team… and you think that proves something?

I’m not overrating OLine, some people here are taking the “anyone can do the job” attitude with OLine because they’re not a glamour position and that’s a foolish take.

The Cowboys were recently lauded as having the best oline in the league for years and they didn't win a single playoff game.

The Cowboys haven’t had the best line in the league since Dak was a rookie.

Every position in football is important but having an elite oline, wr corps, dline, or secondary doesn't guarantee anything.

Nobody said it did, you misinterpreted something along the way.

Having a HOF QB is the best chance at winning a superbowl

Joe Burrow doesn’t and has suffered two season ending injuries because his OLine sucks. Andrew Luck is a HOF caliber QB who won’t make it because his career was cut short because of a crappy OLine.

You guys give QB credit for things they have little to do with. Like last super bowl the offenses did nothing for 4 quarters of regulation, nothing, the defenses carried the day. In overtime the Chiefs finally scored a TD on an exhausted injury depleted 49er D and the QB fanboys attributed the win to Mahomes greatness… laughable.

 

[Wozzy]

By that logic Polk was a first tier prospect who would have gone higher if not for the deep WR class.

This wasn’t not considered an extraordinary draft class for WR’s. Deep maybe but there were no first round world beaters here.

 

[gobesmug]

One great lineman on a bad team… and you think that proves something?

I’m not overrating OLine, some people here are taking the “anyone can do the job” attitude with OLine because they’re not a glamour position and that’s a foolish take.

The Cowboys haven’t had the best line in the league since Dak was a rookie.

Nobody said it did, you misinterpreted something along the way.

Joe Burrow doesn’t and has suffered two season ending injuries because his OLine sucks. Andrew Luck is a HOF caliber QB who won’t make it because his career was cut short because of a crappy OLine.

You guys give QB credit for things they have little to do with. Like last super bowl the offenses did nothing for 4 quarters of regulation, nothing, the defenses carried the day. In overtime the Chiefs finally scored a TD on an exhausted injury depleted 49er D and the QB fanboys attributed the win to Mahomes greatness… laughable.

Luck and Borrow suffer from holding on to the ball too long trying to make a hero play. Brady didn't always have a good oline, he helped it by getting the ball out.

 

[Wozzy]

There's nothing wrong with that, though. WR has arguably become the second most important position in the game. The trenches are still extremely important but the game has changed.

There's nothing wrong with prioritizing wr in 2024/25. The only issue I really care about is value. I had Polk just missing the 2nd so it's not a huge gap at all but had Paul comfortably as a 2nd rounder. There's not a huge gap for me but I did have Paul > Polk as a grade. We'll see what happens. Polk and Baker are guys that really should complement Maye. Hands, catch radius, catching through contact. Again we'll see what happens

WR has become the second most important position in football is a made up statistic.

Wozzy is the best looking poster on patsfans.com, it’s a fact…. see, I can make sht up also.

 

[Wozzy]

Luck and Borrow suffer from holding on to the ball too long trying to make a hero play. Brady didn't always have a good oline, he helped it by getting the ball out.

Yeah…it’s just coincidence their offensive lines were made up of garbage players and also had trouble rushing… and they “held the ball too long.”

Burrow and Luck weren’t good enough, we’ve officially entered flat earth territory.

 

[PatsFan2]

WR has become the second most important position in football is a made up statistic.

Wozzy is the best looking poster on patsfans.com, it’s a fact…. see, I can make sht up also.

Oh really so why are they paying them so much?? We backed up the Brinks for Ridley who took an even better offer "Facts" Woozy facts.

 

[Wozzy]

Oh really so why are they paying them so much?? We backed up the Brinks for Ridley who took an even better offer "Facts" Woozy facts.

Player salaries fluctuate over time, at one point RB's were highly paid, now they're undervalued. At one point left tackle was highly coveted, now it's reverting to where both tackles are equally coveted and interior protecters like guard are more valued. WR's who can dominate on the outside have always been highly paid. Salaries have risen with the salary cap. Using methods employed by franchises who have won nothing of note is not advised.

The Chiefs decided not to make Tyreek the highest paid WR in history and traded him instead. The Dolphins made Tyreek the highest paid WR in history. The Chiefs are trying to win their third Super Bowl in as many years, the Dolphins got bounced from the wildcard round the past two seasons. The Chiefs didn't need a great WR, they had Juju... who apparently sucks now because he's a Patriot. Tyreek is the best WR in the NFL... it's not helping the Dolphins.

The Eagles decided to trade for AJ Brown and make him one of the highest paid players in the league, great... to do so meant letting great defenders like Javon Hargrave walk out the door. In one season the Eagle's defense went from 10th in the NFL in points per drive allowed to 30th. They went from making it to the Super Bowl to getting bounced in the first round.

You people confuse fantasy football for real football...

 

[PatsFan2]

Player salaries fluctuate over time, at one point RB's were highly paid, now they're undervalued. At one point left tackle was highly coveted, now it's reverting to where both tackles are equally coveted and interior protecters like guard or more valued. WR's who can dominate on the outside have always been highly paid. Salaries have risen with the salary cap. Using methods employed by franchises who have won nothing of note is not advised.

The Chiefs decided not to make Tyreek the highest paid WR in history and traded him instead. The Dolphins made Tyreek the highest paid WR in history. The Chiefs are trying to win their third Super Bowl in as many years, the Dolphins got bounced from the wildcard round the past two seasons. The Chiefs didn't need a great WR, they had Juju... who apparently sucks now because he's a Patriot. Tyreek is the best WR in the NFL... it's not helping the Dolphins.

The Eagles decided to trade for AJ Brown and make him one of the highest paid players in the league, great... to do so meant letting great defenders like Javon Hargrave walk out the door. In one season the Eagle's defense went from 10th in the NFL in points per drive allowed to 30th. They went from making it to the Super Bowl to getting bounced in the first round.

You people confuse fantasy football for real football...

The Chiefs are a poor example they have the *Great Mahomes* and Kelce. On the Eagles that's just a bump in the road they were a ball or clock control Offense tush push. They lost Miles Sanders in FA 2023 they now have S Barkley a monster all Purpose RB and some decent young guys behind him. The Eagles can field an average Defense with that Offense. That said I am sure you see the Trend Wozzy: Devante Adams was once the Highest paid WR in the League ditto Hill and A.J. Brown that trend ain't going away anytime soon.

 

[Wozzy]

The Chiefs are a poor example they have the *Great Mahomes* and Kelce. On the Eagles that's just a bump in the road they were a ball or clock control Offense tush push. They lost Miles Sanders in FA 2023 they now have S Barkley a monster all Purpose RB and some decent young guys behind him. The Eagles can field an average Defense with that Offense. That said I am sure you see the Trend Wozzy: Devante Adams was once the Highest paid WR in the League ditto Hill and A.J. Brown that trend ain't going away anytime soon.

You guys always have these "yeah but" excuses... like Mahomes has magic powers. Baloney... Mahomes was mortal when his line was bad, getting sacked 3-4 times and bounced from the playoffs... and that was with Tyreek. The only time Mahomes has been successful into the postseason was when his offensive line was great. In fact you can go back with a fine tooth comb year after year and find the teams that advanced had one thing in common, good line play on both sides of the ball.

This isn't fantasy football. Not "anyone can do that job," that's nonsense. There's a massive difference between Trent Williams and Chuka Okorafor. The Dolphins offensive line gets exposed against great playoff defenses, they post 70 points against crap teams like Denver then fold like cheap suits in the playoffs. That's because someone bigger stronger and more athletic beat them in the trenches... not because Tua didn't have enough magic powers or his weapons weren't good enough. Big powerful guys upfront allow the glamour positions to do their jobs well.

 

[PatsFan2]

Player salaries fluctuate over time, at one point RB's were highly paid, now they're undervalued. At one point left tackle was highly coveted, now it's reverting to where both tackles are equally coveted and interior protecters like guard are more valued. WR's who can dominate on the outside have always been highly paid. Salaries have risen with the salary cap. Using methods employed by franchises who have won nothing of note is not advised.

The Chiefs decided not to make Tyreek the highest paid WR in history and traded him instead. The Dolphins made Tyreek the highest paid WR in history. The Chiefs are trying to win their third Super Bowl in as many years, the Dolphins got bounced from the wildcard round the past two seasons. The Chiefs didn't need a great WR, they had Juju... who apparently sucks now because he's a Patriot. Tyreek is the best WR in the NFL... it's not helping the Dolphins.

The Eagles decided to trade for AJ Brown and make him one of the highest paid players in the league, great... to do so meant letting great defenders like Javon Hargrave walk out the door. In one season the Eagle's defense went from 10th in the NFL in points per drive allowed to 30th. They went from making it to the Super Bowl to getting bounced in the first round.

You people confuse fantasy football for real football...

Wozzy you'll see first hand how important the WR Position is our First Six games: we are playing some of the Best WR's the League.

Chase and Higgins

Metcalf and Smith-Njigba

Garrett Wilson and *Mike Williams* if healthy

Deebo and *Aiyuk*

Hill and Waddle *Ps I'm not even counting their 3rd WR have mercy*

Nico Collins and Diggs *Ps I'm not even counting their 3rd WR have mercy*

 

[PatsFan2]

You guys always have these "yeah but" excuses... like Mahomes has magic powers. Baloney... Mahomes was mortal when his line was bad, getting sacked 3-4 times and bounced from the playoffs... and that was with Tyreek. The only time Mahomes has been successful into the postseason was when his offensive line was great. In fact you can go back with a fine tooth comb year after year and find the teams that advanced had one thing in common, good line play on both sides of the ball.

This isn't fantasy football. Not "anyone can do that job," that's nonsense. There's a massive difference between Trent Williams and Chuka Okorafor. The Dolphins offensive line gets exposed against great playoff defenses, they post 70 points against crap teams like Denver then fold like cheap suits in the playoffs. That's because someone bigger stronger and more athletic beat them in the trenches... not because Tua didn't have enough magic powers or his weapons weren't good enough. Big powerful guys upfront allow the glamour positions to do their jobs well.

If it wasn't for Brady Twice Mahomes would have Five Rings by now remember his last SB win here then with Tampa. Don't let this FACT escape you Mahomes is Brady Great yeah I said it he's the closest QB I have seen to Brady he just Wins. Though some of you Patsfans just hate to admit it he lost his Best OT in FA 2023 Orlando Brown and went on to Repeat. Regarding the Dolphins Injuries played a part in them fading down the stretch we'll see this year.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

This wasn’t not considered an extraordinary draft class for WR’s. Deep maybe but there were no first round world beaters here.

This was considered one of three better & deeper wr classes of the last decade. You really have no idea what you're talking about. You have a very black & white pov on things and I've noticed you keep repeating the same things.

To each their own but there are some things you can't argue with. You're extremely off on the wr position. You make it seem like you're a fantasy football nerd if you bring up the position.

 

[Huckleberry1]

This wasn’t not considered an extraordinary draft class for WR’s. Deep maybe but there were no first round world beaters here.

9 WR’s were picked before Polk at 37, 6 OT’s went before that pick, according to ESPN’s draft tracker. So WR was clearly viewed as stronger at the top of the draft than OT.

 

[gobesmug]

Yeah…it’s just coincidence their offensive lines were made up of garbage players and also had trouble rushing… and they “held the ball too long.”

Burrow and Luck weren’t good enough, we’ve officially entered flat earth territory.

You have the reading comprehension of a squirrel.

Luck and Burrow are/were great QBs. They also take/took unnecessary hits trying to do to much.

That's one comment Brady has made on how important it is to learn how to avoid and take hits. It's much better to take an incomplete on or gentle sack as opposed to hurting yourself trying to make a great play

 

[rkarp1]

You have the reading comprehension of a squirrel.

Luck and Burrow are/were great QBs. They also take/took unnecessary hits trying to do to much.

That's one comment Brady has made on how important it is to learn how to avoid and take hits. It's much better to take an incomplete on or gentle sack as opposed to hurting yourself trying to make a great play

I believe Brady has comments on both avoiding taking hit as well as taking hits. He discussed how he would turn his body and have it go limp, and also fall to the ground a certain way. he had getting hit down to a science

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

You have the reading comprehension of a squirrel.

Luck and Burrow are/were great QBs. They also take/took unnecessary hits trying to do to much.

That's one comment Brady has made on how important it is to learn how to avoid and take hits. It's much better to take an incomplete on or gentle sack as opposed to hurting yourself trying to make a great play

QB play = bartering

You accept pressure that might result in sacks or INT for explosive plays-TD/ypa etc Brady, Manning, Young were all "old god-tier" at one point or another for long stretches. Brady moreso but the others peak were insane.

It's all a trade off. Some guys will accept pressure consciously regardless of their OL. That's why many say sacks are a QB stat. Like Russell Wilson and D Watson, two guys known for eating sacks & bad OL. Have shown that the better the OL they have the more risk they'll take. That's a conscious decision on thei part. Give them the best OL in the league and both will still take sacks.

We should've never got rid of the barter system. It was all downhill from their. Hopefully @Wozzy picking this up. I'm trying to help the poor guy