Once Maye Is Ready, Should We Even Carry 3 QB's?

[TheRainMaker]

Until they play, everyone is 0-0.

And yes, our 2023 team was the 3rd worst in the NFL.

To predict that we will be as bad this year is your choice. At very least, the injuries should be many, many fewer.

You said they were better at virtually every position. We won't know until they play.

 

[mgteich]

You said they were better at virtually every position. We won't know until they play.

You're right/ We just don't know whether Gonzo will be better than Bryant or Wilson who started at the end of last year.

Obviously, we could be worse or better at every position. We also could win 0 or 17 games. We state our opinions and discuss them.

 

[Zuma]

We just don't know whether Gonzo will be better than Bryant or Wilson…

Seriously?

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

Milton is absolutely a raw project…but a project I suspect a lot of NFL teams would sign up to take on. Execs and coaches will get starry eyed by his physical traits. Don’t see him clearing waivers.

Plus, is another 53’rd player likely to be more valuable than a QB lottery ticket with legit upside? I don’t see it.

Example: of I’m choosing between Mafi and Milton, I’m taking Milton every time.

And they knew it was a lottery ticket that wouldn't pan out soon (like by the end of preseason) when they picked him. They had to. All that basically guarantees he's on the 53 man. Otherwise, it's like buying a lottery ticket and throwing it in the trash on the way out of the convenience store before you've even scratched it off.

 

[KCSVEN]

The odds of Maye being a bust is tiny, I'd say nobody with his college pedigree has ever busted but the only guy with his college pedigree was Patrick Mahomes. I'll spare you the detailed statistical analysis for now but having 3 QB's is a bet against injury. Like the 49ers playoff run with no QB a few years ago. You need 3 QB's, for practice and for emergency. You don't need to carry him on the 53. A 6th round pick does not need to be put on the 53, they lose Milton and have Zappe or someone else as 3, no big deal. The odds of Milton being a starting NFL QB are equal to Maye being a bust, basically zero.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Blame whoever you want, but Mac Jones not working out set the team back 3 years until the cord was cut with the new regime. Had they kept him, it would've been at least 4 years. Now it's year 4 since Mac was drafted and the Pats had to use a high draft pick to fix the situation again. They will not give up on Maye after year one if he isn't good. The rare exception is Rosen in Arizona where they landed the #1 pick and hired a new HC that wanted Murray. And even with Murray, the Cards are 28-36 with him at QB and has one playoff appearance since 2019. They just picked 4th again in the draft. So yeah, if the QB isn't a hit, your team is set back 5 years.

The Mac to Maye journey is a good example of what happens when QB desperate teams miss on finding the right player. Even good QB's require 2-3 years of OJT before being successful or flaming out. If things go well the Pats needed 3 years for Mac to prove that he is not a starting NFL QB and at least 2 years for Maye to develop and establish himself as a consistent starting QB. The Jets are at 6 years and counting after Darnold and Wilson with the no future after Rogers is done. The Pats will be in the same boat if Maye doesn't work out.

 

[BobDigital]

We shouldn't carry 4 anyway. Even if Maye doesn't start do we want him having even less snaps?

 

[stinkypete]

Zappe is the most likely to clear waivers and make it to the PS. Milton has too much raw talent for 29 other teams to pass up.

However, in the event that JB is hurt, Zappe is the guy I want out there...at least until both Maye and the online are ready.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I see now. What you are calling a “developmental roster spot” is really just allocating one of the 53 to a guy who won’t play, barring injuries that take out JB and DM.

With JM, it’s really a simple call: do they want to ensure he can’t be sniped by another team? If so, he has to be on the 53. It’s very possible that another team, bewitched by the same arm that ensnared Wolf, will roll the dice on him.

I want Milton to stay on the roster. If in a year they determine that he isn’t going to be amenable to coaching up to NFL caliber QB then draft another project and move on, but I would always keep that project on the roster.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Zappe is the most likely to clear waivers and make it to the PS. Milton has too much raw talent for 29 other teams to pass up.

However, in the event that JB is hurt, Zappe is the guy I want out there...at least until both Maye and the online are ready.

That’s because no one wants Zappe. IMO he’s shown what he has to offer, and it’s just not enough to justify keeping him around.

 

[patman52]

I see Zappe being cut after TC and he has the playbook down. He will be told to stay ready. Then after the duct has settled both he and milton will be on the PS

 

[Wozzy]

If Milton looks great in preseason and they know exposing him to waivers will get him poached, then they'll probably keep him on the 53 on cutdown day and move him to the protected practice squad spot after the fact. The new practice squad rules are a great addition in my view.

 

[Stu Pidassle]

If Milton looks great in preseason and they know exposing him to waivers will get him poached, then they'll probably keep him on the 53 on cutdown day and move him to the protected practice squad spot after the fact. The new practice squad rules are a great addition in my view.

The scenario is similar to Zappe last year. If Milton plays well enough to earn a spot on another teams 53 man roster, the Pats have no options other than adding him to their 53. If not, the team needs to use the opportunity to convince Milton that the Pats are his best option so he is willing to join the PS here, even if other teams want him on their PS.

 

[goheels22002]

NFL QBs with better resumes are now selling insurance.

This kid is very good. The major thing that will prevent him from being an excellent rookie right now is the Patriots' offensive line. If the line comes together, both Jacoby Brissett and Drake Maye will keep this team in games and give them a shot at a winning record. My guess this year is in the 7-10, 8-9 range.

It's probably worth a moment of your time to understand Drake Maye's accomplishments. A little perspective:

Drake Maye was ACC Player of the Year in 2022. Other ACC PLayer of the Year QBS include Trevor Lawrence, Lamar Jackson, Kenny Pickett, Jameis Winston, Tyrod taylor, Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Steve Fuller, Roman Gabriel, and others. Non QBs include Lawrence Taylor, Tiki Barber, Randy White, Calvin Johnson, William Perry and others.

The rebuild will not deliver an AFC champion contender immediately, but it is underway. I hope the Patriots find a way to pay the remaining veterans on defense competitive salaries (Judon and Godchaux).

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

If Milton looks great in preseason and they know exposing him to waivers will get him poached, then they'll probably keep him on the 53 on cutdown day and move him to the protected practice squad spot after the fact. The new practice squad rules are a great addition in my view.

He will still have to clear waivers whatever moment they choose to try to get him on the PS. If he looks good in preseason he won’t clear. But I doubt we’ll have to worry about him making much of an impression, so he should clear.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

The Mac to Maye journey is a good example of what happens when QB desperate teams miss on finding the right player. Even good QB's require 2-3 years of OJT before being successful or flaming out. If things go well the Pats needed 3 years for Mac to prove that he is not a starting NFL QB and at least 2 years for Maye to develop and establish himself as a consistent starting QB. The Jets are at 6 years and counting after Darnold and Wilson with the no future after Rogers is done. The Pats will be in the same boat if Maye doesn't work out.

Not the same boat! We will have Eliot Wolf, an extraordinary genius, making our next QB pick. Let’s hope Maye pans out.

 

[Force Zero Boomer]

I see Zappe being cut after TC and he has the playbook down. He will be told to stay ready. Then after the duct has settled both he and milton will be on the PS

Zappe (or another vet backup) will be on the 53. It shall be! I hope it’s Zappe just to drive the anti-Zappers bananas.

 

[Toofy]

No it will not. If Maye is obviously a bust in year one it will set the team back precisely one year. We will need to get another QB next year, but overall we will be in a better position than we were six months ago because yes we need a QB, but WR and OL should both be better. And yes if Maye is a bust it will be wasted cap space but it's not like the team is in any danger of running out of that.

This.... If maye turns out to be rg III then milton is our cousins ..I don't see the front office allowing Mayo to drop Milton out of 53 And I think everyone has an agreement on that .

We have 2 projects and we will see which one sticks. If maye works out that's the best case. If Milton develops we can trade him for a second rounder or 2 just like garopollo .

Especially on a losing season like this year , Milton is more valuable than the 53rd player who is going to be a backup LB or CB or STer. Go with Milton , it's an easy decision. If everyone is injured, the season is anyways thrown out of the window, just get whoever can play out of PS of other teams.

We are definitely looking at top 3 draft pick next year.

 

[JohnJH]

Even if Maye is ready by the end of training camp (let alone after pre-season), I wouldn't put him behind this OL as it's currently constituted.

 

[stinkypete]

The odds of Maye being a bust is tiny, I'd say nobody with his college pedigree has ever busted but the only guy with his college pedigree was Patrick Mahomes. I'll spare you the detailed statistical analysis for now but having 3 QB's is a bet against injury. Like the 49ers playoff run with no QB a few years ago. You need 3 QB's, for practice and for emergency. You don't need to carry him on the 53. A 6th round pick does not need to be put on the 53, they lose Milton and have Zappe or someone else as 3, no big deal. The odds of Milton being a starting NFL QB are equal to Maye being a bust, basically zero.

I don't understand how you can say no one of his college pedigree has ever busted?

Ryan Leaf? Marcus Marriotta? Johnny Manzel? They came from similar pedigrees.

I also don't understand how Mahomes is the only comp? I though Caleb Williams was the "Mahomes" guy and Maye is more of a Herbert/Allen/Roethlisburger type.