OT : Trevor Lawrence is paid

[AQPE]

Lawrence is certainly talented but as just about everyone here has pointed out, he hasn’t come close to living up to the hype. People bought into the Jags going into last season because the Titans lost the last 7 games in 2022 and the Chargers, with the worst HC in the NFL, took the choke in the playoffs. The Jags pooped themselves last year and Lawrence was a big part of that, he did not elevate his level of play, that’s what elite QBs who get paid like he is do.

Coach killer, not elite. I don’t see much to convince me he will be anything more than what he’s been so far.

 

[libra957]

Lol overated bum.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Lol overated bum.

Agree. This is a bad message to be sending to the NFL.

Not many people realize that the backup QB has a better winning percentage than the starter.

 

[Ross12]

Agree. This is a bad message to be sending to the NFL.

Not many people realize that the backup QB has a better winning percentage than the starter.

Yeah but did you see the weapons that guy had?

 

[lancerman]

It was barely a half-dozen years ago when the Pats & Brady were arguing over...$25M.

Did the salary cap, like, double or something since then?

If it hasn't, then what the heck's going on?

Time to consider caps on individual as well as team salaries.

Let's be real, That $25 million was still a massive discount based on the QB market. We were in cap hell and Brady was unhappy and wanted the team to show that they valued what he did for them. He could have taken a one year contract and gotten something massive.

The market for QB's always goes up and whoever is the next "franchise QB" up for a contract will get insane money.

This helps teams like The Chiefs who have a guy like Mahomes who isn't bending them over every year while other teams with lesser QB's are gutting their team to pay the QB's. Brady and Mahomes were smart to realize that winning meant more than whatever short term contract you could get. Also let's be real, guys like Lawrence, Burrow, Allen etc have no reason to think their teams will get their act together and help them win rings if they give them a salary break. Might as well go into business for yourself.

 

[lancerman]

The NFL better hope they continue to print money because their contracts are getting to be as ridiculous as the NBA and MLB. Lawrence is a good, not great QB. I say lower end of the top 10. He is getting elite money.

It is getting to the point that you want your first round QB draft pick to either be elite or a bust. If he is somewhere in between, you are basically forced to give him an elite level contract with so many guarantees that anchor your team to him even if he never lives up to expectations.

If Lawrence ever lives up to his expectations, this contract will be a godsend to the Jags. If he stays where he is, I think they are going to be doomed to be a borderline playoff team(especially if Shroud continues to improve) with Lawrence.

It's always been this way. Joe Flacco got league leading money because he won a Super Bowl even though everyone knew he wasn't going to turn into Brady or Manning and live up to the contract. Teams just can't justify to their fans that they let a franchise QB potentially go because it's more likely they wind up in QB purgatory and everyone involved in the decision gets fired.

The Jags front office did this because if they went 1-2 year struggling at QB without Lawrence and he does decent somewhere else, they all are out of a job and Khan will clean house. It's an unforgiving league.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Yeah but did you see the weapons that guy had?

This actually makes Lawerence look even worse. He had a 1,000 yard rusher and had 476 yards receiving. He had a 1,000 yard WR, a TE with 963 yards receiving and the 3rd WR had 787 yards. Yet Lawerence only could throw 21 TD’s and went 8-8. That’s awful. Phillip Rivers esque.

 

[Real fan 02]

I’m glad the Pats are not in the position to pay big bucks to Dak.

if Dallas is smart they would move on from paying a proven mediocre QB who wants a record contract.

It's the market. The market in general for QBs.. look at Mayfield.. he's probably a top 20 QB and he got 100 million.. even say if Brissett is the starter and he balls all say 25 TD and 8 INTS... he's likely going to get north of 100 million from some desperate team to be a starter.. gino Smith even got paid!

 

[Rob0729]

It's always been this way. Joe Flacco got league leading money because he won a Super Bowl even though everyone knew he wasn't going to turn into Brady or Manning and live up to the contract. Teams just can't justify to their fans that they let a franchise QB potentially go because it's more likely they wind up in QB purgatory and everyone involved in the decision gets fired.

The Jags front office did this because if they went 1-2 year struggling at QB without Lawrence and he does decent somewhere else, they all are out of a job and Khan will clean house. It's an unforgiving league.

Flacco was a unique situation. The Raven were forced to pay him because he won the Super Bowl and how he played in the playoffs. You didn't see other QBs at Flacco's level in that era getting big deals.

In today's NFL, Daniel Jones gets a huge contract for sucking most of his career and have one good, not great season. Kyler Murray is one of the top paid QBs in the league making more per year than Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

I will give you that Lawrence is kinda unique because I think he got paid in part because of where he was drafted and the Jags still desperately hoping he will live up to his draft position and the predictions of him being a generational talent. But he isn't worth the contract he got in relations to where it sits in relation to other QBs who got recent deals. He is the top paid QB with Burrow. He basically got Burrow's deal. And he is making more than Herbert who just got a deal and Jackson who got a deal last year. Both of them are better than Lawrence by a significant amount. No way should he be in this range.

Odds are good now that Tua gets a deal similar to Lawrence and Burrow. And Tua isn't worth it either.

 

[XLIX]

They are clearly giving Lawrence a mulligan for year 1 under Meyer - and I can’t blame them for that.

Since then he has been a decent, top-15 starter. These days, as the recent NFL Draft proved, you have a large portion of the League with no starting caliber QB out there desperately trying to find one.

Also, as noted, this was an extension. So bottom line is that Jax has him for the next 5 years at a very reasonable cap number. Worry about 2029 in 2029. At that point you can easily restructure it to a lower cap number.

 

[Wozzy]

I don’t think anyone can reasonably view a nearly $50M cap hit as “cheap”… I see your point that a cap hit like that in 5 years won’t be the same as it is today, but it’s still a damn lot for someone who hasn’t really accomplished anything yet.

It's not "cheap," it's borrowing against current cap and kicking cap debt down the road. In other words it will be someone else's problem years from now when the current coaches and front office get canned. When Mahomes and Josh Allen signed their new deals the teams gave themselves a two year window on those new deals where they moved cap debt into the future... it provided them time to spend more now and compete for rings.

When the Chiefs cap debt bill came due they traded away the best weapon in the NFL in Tyreek for a boatload of picks and continued winning, they tightened their belt and found cheaper options on the O-Line and and prioritized two players; Mahomes and Chris Jones... then filled in the cracks with cheap draft picks and more affordable free agents. In short... they did a great job handling the cap.

The Bills totally squandered Josh Allen's rookie deal, part of that was his slow development, it took him a long time to get good. But they have zero rings to show for it.

Brady won three rings on his rookie deal. Mahomes won a single ring but made smart decisions and it kept them competitive and they won two more by pushing cap debt down the road and not paying Tyreek.

Hopefully Drake Maye becomes good right away and the Patriot's brass do a good job at putting a championship team around him... it only succeeds if both of those things happen.

 

[Real fan 02]

Lawrence is certainly talented but as just about everyone here has pointed out, he hasn’t come close to living up to the hype. People bought into the Jags going into last season because the Titans lost the last 7 games in 2022 and the Chargers, with the worst HC in the NFL, took the choke in the playoffs. The Jags pooped themselves last year and Lawrence was a big part of that, he did not elevate his level of play, that’s what elite QBs who get paid like he is do.

Coach killer, not elite. I don’t see much to convince me he will be anything more than what he’s been so far.

Just about any QB that has some success and plays " adequate " will be in line for a nice contract. It's just where the QB market Is today.

I agree he still has alot to prove, but he did bring his team to a divisional round and played KC down to the wire that playoff game. But he's a beneficiary of the QB market...

Gino Smith got 100 plus million
Baker got 100 million

If you're even a middling QB on a team then your seeing a nice pay day.

 

[PancakeBlockPaul]

Maybe he got paid because of the “generational talent” moniker they anointed him with before his draft…..ha.

 

[Triumph]

Highest Average Salary Per Year​

Trevor Lawrence is now tied with Joe Burrow for the highest APY in NFL history.

PLAYER	APY
Trevor Lawrence	$55M
Joe Burrow	$55M
Jared Goff	$53M
Justin Herbert	$52.5M
Lamar Jackson	$52M
-- ESPN Stats & Information 1 paltry Super Bowl appearance and loss amongst the Fuax 5. Post Season records and rankings 1. Jackson 2 - 4 @ 33% without question Lamar is the biggest faux QB pretender and choker. Watch him go back to # 1 RB mode in 2024. His followers will no doubt have a litany of excuses at the ready. 2. Lawrence 1 - 1 @ 50% takes the # 2 faux QB spot because of where he was drafted and all the hype that surrounds him. 3. Herbert 0 - 1 @ 0% dude has done nothing. 4. Goff 4 - 4 @ 50% came close because Detroit caught lighting in a bottle, but I believe that Goff crashes back to earth in 2024. 5. Burrow 5 - 2 @ 71% entering year # 5 and its time to do something big. Like taking out KC because Buffalo cant do it.

 

[Wozzy]

Trevor Lawrence played really well in year two, legitimately earned a Pro Bowl spot. He’s probably not worth league leading salary at the position, but he’s also not trash if he can revert back to year two form.

Salaries go up every season, this season especially. The cap increase this year with new TV and gambling deals represents the single largest increase since the invention of the salary cap… it was largely good timing for Lawrence more than anything.

 

[XLIX]

It's not "cheap," it's borrowing against current cap and kicking cap debt down the road. In other words it will be someone else's problem years from now when the current coaches and front office get canned.

This is something which, IMHO, gets overlooked far too often. GM's and HC's aren't worried about cap hits 4/5/6 years down the road because if they don't win some games today, they ain't gonna be there 4/5/6 years down the road.

 

[rochrist]

Paying league-leading money at the most expensive position on a guy who has been average at best? Very strange.

Worst part is if Jacksonville didn’t pay, he would’ve gotten the same from another team in free agency. It’s a real head scratcher. It no longer matters if you’re the best QB, only if you’re the most recent guy to need an extension. Whoever is next (Dak?) will beat this deal, then the next guy will beat his deal, and on and on. In a couple years we will be at $70M a year average contracts.

Well, in regard to FA, I expect that the 'next great thing' rep he had coming out would come into play. Teams would think that it was just a matter of getting him out of Jacksonville and we can turn him into the next Peyton. And I expect that thinking played into why they paid him.

 

[Wozzy]

This is something which, IMHO, gets overlooked far too often. GM's and HC's aren't worried about cap hits 4/5/6 years down the road because if they don't win some games today, they ain't gonna be there 4/5/6 years down the road.

Cap deniers like Rkarp pretend cap deferred is cap avoided.... it's a silly take.

Short of trading away a player's financial obligations, there is no tax shelter in the Bahamas for cap debt and it will have to be paid eventually. Lawrence's cap charge escalates dramatically from 17M in 2025, 24M in 2026, 35M in 2027 to 47M in 2028.

All told he's being paid 142 guaranteed for the next five years including the money left of his previous deal. I think this contract is a little more reasonable than people think and Lawrence is a tad better than people think if he reverts back to 2022 form. Burrow's deal is still richer in terms of guaranteed money and he signed it back in 2023.

 

[rkarp1]

Cap deniers like Rkarp pretend cap deferred is cap avoided.... it's a silly take.

Short of trading away a player's financial obligations, there is no tax shelter in the Bahamas for cap debt and it will have to be paid eventually. Lawrence's cap charge escalates dramatically from 17M in 2025, 24M in 2026, 35M in 2027 to 47M in 2028.

All told he's being paid 142 guaranteed for the next five years including the money left of his previous deal. I think this contract is a little more reasonable than people think and Lawrence is a tad better than people think if he reverts back to 2022 form. Burrow's deal is still richer in terms of guaranteed money and he signed it back in 2023.

I am not a cap denier. I simply believe the cap is a simple work around for every team if they so choose.
looking at salaries in terms of dollars when teams are allowed to spread contracts over 5 years in a rising cap situation, is not an accurate view of the contract value and its impact on the team. the cap hit relative to the cap space is more so. Lawrence's deal allows Jax to keep his cap % between 6-14% the next 5 years.
after 5 years they can extend if they so choose, or cut if they so choose (with a dead cap hit)
the top 10-15 QB's in the league have cap %'s in the low 20's. Lawrence reaches that level in year 6.
very good deal for Jax as well as Lawrence. Pats need to do the same if Maye shows the same potential as Lawrence after year 3

 

[PatsFan2]

Highest Average Salary Per Year​

Trevor Lawrence is now tied with Joe Burrow for the highest APY in NFL history.

PLAYER	APY
Trevor Lawrence	$55M
Joe Burrow	$55M
Jared Goff	$53M
Justin Herbert	$52.5M
Lamar Jackson	$52M
-- ESPN Stats & Information 1 paltry Super Bowl appearance and loss amongst the Fuax 5. Post Season records and rankings 1. Jackson 2 - 4 @ 33% without question Lamar is the biggest faux QB pretender and choker. Watch him go back to # 1 RB mode in 2024. His followers will no doubt have a litany of excuses at the ready. 2. Lawrence 1 - 1 @ 50% takes the # 2 faux QB spot because of where he was drafted and all the hype that surrounds him. 3. Herbert 0 - 1 @ 0% dude has done nothing. 4. Goff 4 - 4 @ 50% came close because Detroit caught lighting in a bottle, but I believe that Goff crashes back to earth in 2024. 5. Burrow 5 - 2 @ 71% entering year # 5 and its time to do something big. Like taking out KC because Buffalo cant do it.

Not with that Talented Offense and Jameson Williams will be better this year.