NEW ARTICLE: BEDARD: Strange Could Miss 2024 Patriots Season

[mgteich]

Yes.

fair enough

how many games has Jordan started at center and when?

 

[PatsFan2]

A leg whip like he got hit with would take anyone out.

Still don't dismiss the facts.

 

[upstater1]

Still don't dismiss the facts.

You just dismissed the facts

 

[PatsFan2]

You just dismissed the facts

 

[captain stone]

fair enough

how many games has Jordan started at center and when?

Already answered that question in another post, perhaps in another thread.

 

[DaBruinz]

OK, you would have used the pick for another player. That isn't the issue
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Presume for a second that the team knew that Strange was out for at least half a year, and expected to move their best rookie from last year (Sow) to LG where he primarily played in college, and expected to keep Onwenu at RT.

Obviously, you don't know for sure that Robinson is a better RG than Mafi, Okorafor, Anderson, McDermott, Jake Andrews, Steuber and Jordan. Wolf thought so. You disagree. IMO, Wolf judged that we needed a RG for 2024 and in the future and drafted one. Clearly, at least to me, the team didn't think that the answer was Mafi.

You clearly didn't read what I said. I shouldn't be surprised.

- I do know that Robinson is NOT better than Okorafor, Anderson, McDermott, Leverett or Jake Andrews.
- Keeping in mind that even if the Pats KNEW that Strange would be gone for part of or all of the season, the Pats already had Sow, Mafi, Anderson, McDermott, Steuber, Jake Andrews, Leverett and Jordan signed. If they felt MAFI wasn't a possibility, why is he still with the team?
- When drafting, you're supposed to weigh the grade of the player against what's already on your team. You don't draft someone that is going to be the 6th best option (at best) for an O-line position. Not when you have needs at CB, DE, RB, and DT. It's a waste of a pick.
- It also makes the re-signings of Wheatley and Steuber and the signing of Jordan look bad for Wolf.

- reaching for Robinson when there were players like Decamerion Richardson (CB), Jordon Jefferson (DT), Cade Stover (TE), Isaac Guerendo (RB), and Cam Hart (DB), etc raises the question Wolf's decision making skills as well as that of the Pats Scouting Staff. Either Robinson was WAY over-rated or Wolf took him despite not having a need. Saying that Wolf "saw a need" is ignoring who was actually on the Pats roster.

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OK, I'll accept that Leverett is a replacement for Ferenz, a veteran backup center and guard.

I agree with Wolf that we needed a RG. Let's be clear. If Leverett is a Ferenz level backu, and SOw is moving to LG, who should we expect to be the starter and backup at RG, NOW and if we used the pick on a S or RB?

 

[DaBruinz]

They'll need a backup Center too; that's why I hope Michael Jordan makes the team.

When has Jordan every played center? Are you confusing him with Leverett?

 

[DaBruinz]

they knew Strange would not play this season
that had them signing Leverette, and drafting Robinson.
I subbed in Mafi for JAndrews. I think Mafi is the better prospect
I am not counting Strange who is most likely out all season

The Pats removed Reiff, Ferentz, Russey, T. Brown from the O-line mix.

Going into the Draft, the Pats has the following who could play OG:
Cole Strange (OG) (Likely out)
Michael Onwneu (OG/OT) Starter
Sidy Sow (OG) - Starting Guard
Dave Andrews (C/OG) - Starting Center
Chidi Okorafor (OT/OG)
Calvin Anderson (OT/OG)
Nick Leverett (C/OG) - signed to replace Ferentz.

Jake Andrews (C/OG)
Atonio Mafi (OG)
Michael Jordan (OG)
Conor McDermott (OG/OT)*
Tyrone Wheatley (OG/OT)
Vedarian Lowe (OT/OG)
Andrew Steuber (OT/OG)*

Between Okorafor, Anderson, and Onwenu, you had your likely starters along with Andrews and Sow. So, that still leaves you with 8 guys behind your starters who can play OG. Jordan, Leverett, and McDermott all have multiple starts at OG as well. So, this idea that Robinson is magically going to be better than 6 of those 8 is a longshot at best. Robinson was considered one of the biggest reaches of the draft.

 

[DaBruinz]

When you don't have a starting RG (with Sow to LG), then that position is a need, especially when you don't think that Jake or Mafi did all that well,

It's not a need because I had Onwenu penciled there. With Anderson and Okorafor being the OTs. They drafted Wallace who is likely going to be at RT.. So that moves Okorafor and Anderson to vying for the LT and Swing Tackle spots.

Even if you left Onwenu at RT and ignored that Anderson and Okorafor have both seen time at guard, you'd still have 8 other players who could play the Guard position in Camp. Mafi, J. Andrews, Jordan, Leverett, Lowe, Wheatley, McDermott, Steuber. If you didn't think they could step in and start, why have them on the roster? Why bring in another player for that position who is unlikely to beat out a majority of those players?

 

[DaBruinz]

Agreed. If the OL is still in shambles in December we need to make some tough choices in the off-season. Regardless of what happens with this years class or Maye. We've used enough resources (esp iol we should be golden there) to make a solid judgment on who's drafting these guys.

I want Wallace and Robinson to succeed so bad bc both are questionable picks and Wallace was drafted a round too early imo

This is just the way things work. Doesn't matter what job it is. If I'm constantly asking to use valuable resources, not showing results, you'll be called out and your work will be looked at. I'm not trying to be negative but both picks stand out to me bc A)our needs atm and B)we've spent a good amount on iol lately. Here's hoping one or both are starters or giving us significant contributions.

I think that Wallace will end up being a starter. Just not convinced it will be at LT.

I have no confidence at all that Robinson will be a starter. While Brugler had him as a late 4th/early 5th, many other places had him as a 6th to Priority UDFA. While I never want picks to fail, I see Robinson being the first 4th Round pick that the Pats have cut in camp in 20 some years.

 

[BaconGrundleCandy]

I think that Wallace will end up being a starter. Just not convinced it will be at LT.

Fingers crossed. I'd love to see him work out. Anywhere tbh.

I have no confidence at all that Robinson will be a starter. While Brugler had him as a late 4th/early 5th, many other places had him as a 6th to Priority UDFA. While I never want picks to fail, I see Robinson being the first 4th Round pick that the Pats have cut in camp in 20 some years.

This would be interesting. If he does get cut, it's basically the coaches telling the f/o they F'd up big time with that selection. I doubt it but it would interesting.

 

[1960Pats]

So wait a second here....these dudes get paid to straight up jack what other people have reported....where do I sign up? Would love to have a job where I steal **** that I haven't written from other people that have more than likely also stolen it from some other tool....What's sad is he didn't even try to hide it....

If you plagiarized enough you could become president of Harvard.

 

[sb1]

So he was recovering from a torn patellar tendon. That's worse than an ACL tear for an athlete and it's derailed many NFL careers including Mayo's and IIRC JC Jackson's...hopefully as an O-Lineman the impact won't be as bad.

Severity of Patriots offensive lineman's season-ending injury finally revealed | Sporting News

He should be ready for the start of the season, but the injury was a bad one.

www.sportingnews.com

 

[upstater1]

This is what was written about Mayo's patellar injury back in 2014 (Short of it: don't expect Strange back this year, this injury frequently takes an entire year to recover from).

ESPN injury expert on Jerod Mayo's road ahead

FOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- New England Patriots linebacker Jerod Mayo underwent surgery on his right patellar tendon on Thursday morning, according to Tom E.

www.espn.com

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Important injury disclaimer. This is a similar injury to what was sustained by Giants receiver Victor Cruz, so there has been no shortage of discussion in recent days about recovery for players following surgery on the patellar tendon. There are different places the tendon can tear. Every tear might have a different dimension. And the health of the tendon prior to the tear is always an important consideration in any analysis relative to the repair and recovery process. These specifics aren’t known with Mayo, which is critical context. “You can’t put every player in the same package,” Bell said, adding that without being privy to the specifics of Mayo's injury, the discussion is limited to speaking in general terms.

Timetable is lengthy. On average, recovery is usually between eight months to one year. “It could take longer, but rarely would it take less,” Bell said, adding that the football-based seasonal calendar is something to consider (e.g. the start of training camp, in late July, would be the nine-month mark and some rehab-based decisions could be made with this in mind).


What happens after surgery. Mayo’s right leg will either be immobile in the early phases after surgery or have “protected/controlled motion.” It depends on the philosophy of those overseeing the rehab, with some varying outlooks on what allows the repair to best heal. The next phase in the process from there would be to regain motion and strength in the quadriceps and eventually move toward more aggressive work such as running and football-type activity.


Biggest challenge in the process. With any player in this situation, “the biggest challenge is restoring full range of motion when talking about bending.” After the repair, the leg is usually kept straight to allow it to heal, and as bending is introduced, the hardest work can come when trying to exceed a bend beyond 90 degrees. “It can be tight after surgery,” Bell said, adding that another significant challenge is getting full girth and circumference back in the quad as the tendon is basically the attachment between the quad muscle and shin bone.

Studies of note. Bell pointed out a study from the American Journal of Sports Medicine that provided more background on the topic. The findings of the study were that 19 of 24 players who suffered the injury returned to play.

Summary with Mayo’s road ahead. Bell pointed out that this is a “difficult, lengthy rehab” but noted the data above in saying “it’s very encouraging” from a standpoint of a player being able to return and potentially function at a high level. Bell highlighted the difference between Cruz and Mayo, as Cruz relies on down-the-field speed, while Mayo needs quickness/explosiveness for his position. Thus, it's hard to compare them because the demands of their positions are unique. Overall, when it comes to “explosiveness and power, those things take a while to come back.” Bell added this: “The Patriots have an excellent medical staff to oversee bringing him back from this injury. I see it as a situation where there is reason to be optimistic about his future.”

 

[Real fan 02]

Why is he going down the Wynn road?
You really have to stop with this BS.

He did not suffer a strain or a pull. It was a full on legwhip to the patella.

Making an issue out of this makes as much sense as blaming Theisman for his broken leg.

He is asking that question becuase Wynn was often injured, and it appears that strange is going down the same road.. don't get me wrong He showed some stretches of playing well... I'm not against the guy.. I want to see the former 1st round pick on the field!

 

[Real fan 02]

So he was recovering from a torn patellar tendon. That's worse than an ACL tear for an athlete and it's derailed many NFL careers including Mayo's and IIRC JC Jackson's...hopefully as an O-Lineman the impact won't be as bad.

Severity of Patriots offensive lineman's season-ending injury finally revealed | Sporting News

He should be ready for the start of the season, but the injury was a bad one.

www.sportingnews.com

Absolutely correct. If I remember correctly a legendary coach once said availability, is the best ability. When it came to guys being injured and not available.. he even said that once time about Seymour not being available to practice due to a knee issue..

 

[upstater1]

He is asking that question becuase Wynn was often injured, and it appears that strange is going down the same road.. don't get me wrong He showed some stretches of playing well... I'm not against the guy.. I want to see the former 1st round pick on the field!

It's two entirely different things.

There is pulling a muscle and an ACL, and then there's getting leg whipped.

One is due to the constitution of the person's body, the other is an unfortunate event that happens on the field.

Two different things.

I don't remember Wynn ever having anything like a leg whip happen to him.

 

[Real fan 02]

It's two entirely different things.

There is pulling a muscle and an ACL, and then there's getting leg whipped.

One is due to the constitution of the person's body, the other is an unfortunate event that happens on the field.

Two different things.

I don't remember Wynn ever having anything like a leg whip happen to him.

Agreed. He was making the point of him not being available, on the field, no matter how or what the injuries are to a player.. if you're not on the field then you can't help your team.. Injuries suck.. they can ruin a players career.. that's why I root for the players to get as much guaranteed money as possible.

 

[upstater1]

Agreed. He was making the point of him not being available, on the field, no matter how or what the injuries are to a player.. if you're not on the field then you can't help your team.. Injuries suck.. they can ruin a players career.. that's why I root for the players to get as much guaranteed money as possible.

I can't understand why we're even having this discussion.

Some players have a propensity for injuries because of either poor training, wrong training techniques, or their own bodies propensity for muscle pulls.

This is not such a case.

 

[Real fan 02]

I can't understand why we're even having this discussion.

Some players have a propensity for injuries because of either poor training, wrong training techniques, or their own bodies propensity for muscle pulls.

This is not such a case.

Yeah.. I cant remember why either. Yeah.. doesn't really matter. Fact is if your on the field your valuable to the team if not we know your no use to an organization. Hope strange recovers well and can get back on the field.