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For those that have played the game, how true is the statement that receivers have an advantage in snowy conditions b/c they know where their cuts and breaks are?

Likewise, I think I've heard BB mention that the pass rushers have an advantage over the OL in snowy conditions...

Both seem to make sense and seem to neutralize each other a little bit, so maybe the passing game doesn't get affected as much as one might fear.
 
The only problem is that it's supposed to be very windy too. Of course who do we think will handle it better, Brady (who just played in the wind 2 weeks ago) or Clemens with his 52% comp rate and 9 int in 7 starts.
 
I don't see how extreme cold, snow, and wind is going to favor the passing game and those are the conditions that we will be seeing more of in December.

Not that it will matter.
 
Yeah, wind is a killer...but if it's not a Nor'easter, your average MA snow storm can come with little to no wind and some surprisingly balmy 30-ish weather. In the end, all that means is the ball is a little more slick and the field is certainly more slick, the latter of which seems to favor the receivers as they know where they are running.
 
In my experience it basically comes down to who dictates the cutting. It's like that really with any kind of slippery surface, and even the old carpet turf. This is why pass rushers and recievers tend to have an advantage. When you are about to make a move, your body can prepare and balance as you explode off of the cut's plant foot. When you are out there on defense breaking on balls, staying on the hip of a reciever or back, or even anticipating cutbacks it's much easier to lose a step or slip. It's also much harder to get an effective jam when the ground is slick. Recievers with a good shake or juke can leave you flat footed...it's really important to keep your eyes on the player's numbers in said situation and try to grab some jersey if you can hide it.

In pass rush situations in slick weather, it was easy to take advantage of the less athletic guards, or when playing sam or will, the tackles in the C and D gaps. Basically, once you read their first step you can dictate the play to the lineman, taking advantage of your quicker feet. It's definately a quickness-oriented situation unless you have pocket-collapsing responsibilities. Tackles will take a pretty deep bucket step in the gun or a 5-step package. This allows them to stay outside with a quicker rusher, but leaves them vulnerable to an inside move and opens a more direct line to the qb. Guards also take a drop or bucket step, but it is often less exaggerated a movement. If you time the cadence right, you are hitting their shoulder pads as they come out of their stance. Their momentum is going back and you can usually make a shed or blow by them fairly easily.

Again both sides of the ball have their respective advantages. The key thread in who holds the upper hand in the individual game is the player who already knows their move. The player who is defending the opponents move is at a disadvantage.
 
it favors the reciever sure, i belice that...


but throwing and catching a wet ball is not better then being handed a wet ball, and just holding it
 
In my experience it basically comes down to who dictates the cutting. It's like that really with any kind of slippery surface, and even the old carpet turf. This is why pass rushers and recievers tend to have an advantage. When you are about to make a move, your body can prepare and balance as you explode off of the cut's plant foot. When you are out there on defense breaking on balls, staying on the hip of a reciever or back, or even anticipating cutbacks it's much easier to lose a step or slip. It's also much harder to get an effective jam when the ground is slick. Recievers with a good shake or juke can leave you flat footed...it's really important to keep your eyes on the player's numbers in said situation and try to grab some jersey if you can hide it.

In pass rush situations in slick weather, it was easy to take advantage of the less athletic guards, or when playing sam or will, the tackles in the C and D gaps. Basically, once you read their first step you can dictate the play to the lineman, taking advantage of your quicker feet. It's definately a quickness-oriented situation unless you have pocket-collapsing responsibilities. Tackles will take a pretty deep bucket step in the gun or a 5-step package. This allows them to stay outside with a quicker rusher, but leaves them vulnerable to an inside move and opens a more direct line to the qb. Guards also take a drop or bucket step, but it is often less exaggerated a movement. If you time the cadence right, you are hitting their shoulder pads as they come out of their stance. Their momentum is going back and you can usually make a shed or blow by them fairly easily.

Good stuff.

I'm sure Mangina will instruct his DBs to continue the practice of trying to jam, grab, harass, maul Moss and Welker at the line, and I'd like to think the slick surfaces will make that practice harder.
 
The whole "the offense has the edge in bad weather" is just BS the talking heads say to make themselves seem smart. It is totally not true.

Ask yourself this - if that is true, why are bad weather games almost always low scoring and why do offenses play better in domes?
 
The whole "the offense has the edge in bad weather" is just BS the talking heads say to make themselves seem smart. It is totally not true.

Ask yourself this - if that is true, why are bad weather games almost always low scoring and why do offenses play better in domes?

That isn't exactly true. Last week in bad snowy weather the Bills and Dolphins combined for 55 points. The same amount Dallas and Detroit combined for in Detroit and more than Jax and Carolina scored in Jax.

Crappy fields conditions like Heinz a couple of weeks ago doesn't really give an advantage to either team. But a snowy, maybe even a little slick Field Turf / artificial surface can make a significant difference in favor of the person who dictates the motion. Wind can definitly be a factor as well, but even in bad wind conditions like the Ravens game our offense still scored 27 points, against a very good defense.
 
we better hope so come sunday!


"I'm talking snow here. First storm up is on Thursday. Potential for up to 3-6 inches of snow in some spots (mostly south of the Pike) as a quick moving system scoots just to our south. But the storm coming Sunday could make that look like child's play.

We're talking big-dogs-in-tall-grass-event here. Our 1-2 foot snowstorms are typically of this type of setup: cold in place, storm coming up the coast"

http://www1.whdh.com/weather/
 
The accuweather long range forcaster thinks the computer models are wrong and are being misled by this subtropical system in the Atlantic and that the weekend storm is probably nothing much. However, there is a computer model that shows a monster noreaster of blizzard proportions for Sunday. I'm talking a game cancelling historic storm worst case. But it could be nothing. So if you're headed to the game keep an eye on the forcast.
 
I agree that receivers & pash rushers have an advantage over their counterparts.

However, running game has an advantage in high-winds, since it has almost no effect on running; but has tremendous effect on throwing.

The only thing that can stop these Patriots is going up against a team with a great RB and a great Defense in high wind conditions (like it almost did against Baltimore...Against a better team, it might've)
 
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